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it is actually really convenient but as you see there are drawbacks
I am really really sorry if this merits a modkill
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
May 01 2014 05:32 GMT
#1021
I HATE IT I HATE IT + Show Spoiler + it is actually really convenient but as you see there are drawbacks I am really really sorry if this merits a modkill | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
May 01 2014 09:35 GMT
#1022
21279191 Koshi Foolishness Foolishness 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id= the numbers are post ids, put them after the link to get to the post. just wanted to check of fool put oats in majority, he didn't. poofter did (with a vote on oats AND killing a fool vote) | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
May 01 2014 09:35 GMT
#1023
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
May 01 2014 16:44 GMT
#1024
Things that I'd like to look at include
I'm honestly not sure how Koshi will flip. The post-shot stuff looked nice, but I was quite worried about him, especially if Oats was mafia. Hopefully we find out later on. Anywho, hooray scum lynch. I'll hopefully be back before the end of phase and actually get to do some legwork, just unsure. | ||
Ace
United States16096 Posts
May 01 2014 17:30 GMT
#1025
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
May 01 2014 17:41 GMT
#1026
If you don't die wanna hash that out with me? PS I find it mostly hard to believe a scum JAT would blatantly push hard against an Oats lynch when the rest of his team basically didn't give a shit. Lol or perhaps that's WHY he pushed specifically? Meh. Ill be around deadline-ish maybe a little before. | ||
justanothertownie
16309 Posts
May 01 2014 19:04 GMT
#1027
On May 01 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote: Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This is especially pertinent. Good catch day 1 austin. So the fact that scum had a day vig we have myself as town day vig Jat claiming it and Slam already to have shot I think scum having equal amounts of vig shots to town would make sense if so I think Jat although really wrong on foolish/Oats wouldn't be that pushy on it as scum knowing the Oats flip is likely. You can call me wrong if foolishness flips town as long as that does not happen this is simply not true. I never once called oats town. This lynch was a bus if I ever saw one (I am pretty sure prplhz is town, Palmar maybe too). Why would all those people bus oats if Foolishness is town? Exactly. Foolishness is still scum and Blazinghand too. Look how this guy pushed for the snb lynch when oats got traction day1. On May 02 2014 01:44 austinmcc wrote: I'm honestly not sure how Koshi will flip. The post-shot stuff looked nice, but I was quite worried about him, especially if Oats was mafia. Hopefully we find out later on. Koshi wanted me to shoot oats and you think he was scum? On May 02 2014 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd. If you don't die wanna hash that out with me? PS I find it mostly hard to believe a scum JAT would blatantly push hard against an Oats lynch when the rest of his team basically didn't give a shit. Lol or perhaps that's WHY he pushed specifically? Meh. Ill be around deadline-ish maybe a little before. If you want to call me scum then fucking do it, pussy. What kind of bullshit post is that? I am obviously town already and when Foolishness flips that will be even more clear. Will be back much later since I have only one post left (always taking donations of course). 4/5 | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
May 01 2014 19:38 GMT
#1028
Even when you call me names and insult me. And even if you're scum. If we're going to lynch the association pair I propose BH first, though it would be nice to hear some reasoining from you at some point as to what makes BH scum outside of association. | ||
Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
May 01 2014 20:15 GMT
#1029
All of my wat | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 01 2014 20:26 GMT
#1030
On April 28 2014 12:15 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (8) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (8) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes Sandroba (1) - VayneAuthority, Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. When Scum and Town were tied On April 28 2014 12:49 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (10) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (7) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (0) - Sandroba (1) - VayneAuthority, Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. When the hammer started to fall on SnB On April 28 2014 12:58 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (11) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (6) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (0) - Sandroba (1) - VayneAuthority, Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. 2 minutes before deadline - No Majority reached on SnB On April 28 2014 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (13) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (0) - Sandroba (0) - Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. Majority Reached on Town For my own personal use - the last few votecounts of D1. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
May 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#1031
On May 02 2014 05:15 Blazinghand wrote: "Clearly bh fool scum for pushing town oats. Oh what oats flops scum? BH and fool scum for bussing scum oats." I agree with this logic and will support lynching BH and Foolishness. Smart man. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 02 2014 00:53 GMT
#1032
On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town. Banks I'll get to you later. Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? | ||
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
May 02 2014 01:08 GMT
#1033
On May 02 2014 09:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town. Banks I'll get to you later. Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller. | ||
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
May 02 2014 01:30 GMT
#1034
On May 02 2014 10:08 Foolishness wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2014 09:53 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town. Banks I'll get to you later. Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller. what exactly is your read on RoL or anyone else that has him as scum. I don't really have him down as anything. | ||
OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
May 02 2014 01:41 GMT
#1035
Well maby I wont.. Because I really know I'll be dead before morning. But you know... Take a look from my perspective. What if I am town? Because you assume right now with your Koshi assumption I am 100% scum. That is the only way me and Koshi make any sense together. So are you saying me and Koshi are scum? Ok cool.. now factor Austin into that. Why the hell would I claim to save austin (In the heat of the moment, I might remind you. Before anyone comments. I claim to save Koshi... and then switch to Austin after Koshi tells me to fuck off, save the town, and save someone else.) I blatantly gave not only my entire role claim but who I was going to save this night. So like the progression there is so basic.. Poof shoots Koshi, I am martyr for Koshi. Kosh tells me HIMSELF not 2 fucking minutes later to move my save. I do. I move my save to austin. Koshi dies. Poof is confirmed to kill a townie. Yes this is fucking confirmed. Anyone who doesn't fucking realize this.. Please just lynch me tomorrow because you're worse than me. That's strait fucking impossible. Which means your scum. SO fucking lynch the claimed Martyr who will continue to save townies this entire game or go ahead and claim scum. I strait dare you. You shoot town. You respond.. "I don't care I think my shot was good!" Because your shot was totes on scum. Why are you ignoring EVERYTHING I do this game? LIKE I FUCKING GAVE MY LIFE TO SAVE SOMEONE AND YOUR IGNORING IT. The ONLY reason I'm alive right now instead of Koshi is because [g]KOSHI[/g] HIMFUCKINGSELF TOLD ME TO MOVE OFF HIM. Otherwise you would be arguing with Koshi right now and not me. Why are you ignoring me entirely? You're scum. That's why. Too many fucking shots have been called this game for scum to only have one vig. You're at least one more. Lynch this guy. | ||
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
May 02 2014 01:57 GMT
#1036
Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd. Happy to discuss if we're alive.If you don't die wanna hash that out with me? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? Not worried about him just atm. He was relatively conversant, nothing stuck out that really waved flags. I'll look back over, but he's not in a scumpile for me right now. | ||
OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
May 02 2014 02:04 GMT
#1037
You are town and you want to hold your shot till the last second because you want to be 100% sure. You want all of town to realize you were so sure on your shot. Town only realizes you are 100% on your shot if you WAIT for your shot. Waiting until the last possible moment and every last post by Koshi.. But no.. You're scum. You realize people are mentioning him, and you caught my post off but I FREAKING DONATED POST TO KOSHI TO SUB YOUR SHOT. As town you would of waited. You would of gave Koshi every chance to say ANYTHING not only so you could be sure of your read.. but so TOWN could be SURE of your read. AUSTIN TOLDS YOU NOT TO KILL HIM. JAT TOLD YOU NOT TO KILL HIM. HALF THE FUCKING POS OF TOWN TOLD YOU. YOU SHOT REGARDLESS. Why? Because you WANTED TO SHOOT TOWN. Now you're trying to make EXCUSES for it. NO. You shot town. You're happy about it. Thus you're scum. IS THAT ENOUGH COLOR FOR EVERYONE? I'm seriously so pissed about the shit that's gone on since Kosh igot shot I am demanding it now. I demanded it last night. and I will re-affirm my statement before the night ends. If you think Koshi was scum pre-last night. You lynch ME. Revert to previous statement and then lynch them. | ||
OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
May 02 2014 02:10 GMT
#1038
I thin Fool is still very questionable. His connection with BH isn't outstanding to me. For all I know it is not a mason chat. Or it could be a mason chat. One started by a mason as scum.. Who invited his buddy N1 (since this only started D2 when BH/Fool were both questionable...) And then Bam suddenly there is a 3 way mason and w/e Fine recruit more people. I do hope you do that. Hopefully people will see. Bh I'm pretty sure as scum. Foolish I only feel as bad about since Oats flip. I didn't like him day1 but Oats flip really makes me think he's scum. I'm not going to claim I am correct. But you will know I am not coming from it as a mafia perspective. | ||
OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
May 02 2014 02:14 GMT
#1039
Austin.. You will be alive, I protected you this night. So unless scum has double stack KP power... You cannot die. Per my previous logic we all will be confirmed because of it. I'm not sure about your comment but I believe Jat to be town. I'm off regardless. I think I might have gone a post over. I didn't count. Either way I will not be able to post after this comment if I do not survive the night. Best of luck guys! | ||
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
May 02 2014 02:15 GMT
#1040
On May 02 2014 10:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2014 10:08 Foolishness wrote: On May 02 2014 09:53 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town. Banks I'll get to you later. Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller. what exactly is your read on RoL or anyone else that has him as scum. I don't really have him down as anything. On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: Show nested quote + On April 29 2014 07:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On April 28 2014 14:58 gumshoe wrote: Haro, its late but I owe town a few thoughts. I wont make anymore excuses, suffice to say been a spectacularly busy couple days. havent had enough to read things too in depth. but heres a few things that stand out, geript is town as far as I can tell, or hes playing hard into his own meta. I dont think palmer is scum because a) i am all too familiar with the if im going down towns coming with me mentality, (not specifically in mafia but other traitor games like bsg) its a shit scum strat because threatening people in a game with virtually no stakes is a bad idea, you cant cowe a town with this many great players and I dont think scum plam would try it. seems like a rage play. As scum Hes better off using his time to influence town, because he will never flip thanks to callers nuke. b) pardoner seems like a shit role for scum, seeing as if you use to save your buddy, you instantly become a target and he just gets lynched tommorow. I have a few preliminary scum reads but I need to get completely intimate with das thread first : P not going to throw myself into another retarded tunnel again if I can help it. 2 am here T_T night all, gl. Scum can't pardon other scum unless Bill Murry is hosting. The ability usually used in order to put the town a few steps back when there is a scum pardoner and generally to cause chaos. But yes, it usually does need to be used in such a way to where the person giving the pardon can escape the ire of the town the following day. But yeah, it's not the best role for scum, but's it's more useful then a vanilla scum role because it can situationally be used to fuck with the town. IIRC we had a mafia pardoner in the last game I ran, although we kind of derp'd the implementation a bit. Personally I could see the point being made that if Palmar thought he was going to die, he might as well use the power. He can be town and have had such a huge town read on prplhz which I don't think is too likely on D1, or he could be a scum pardoner who figured he'd take the chance to just fuck with the town a bit while he can (assuming the nuke was real). IMO I think scenario 2 makes more sense because no read should be that strong day 1 to the point where you would remove the towns option to kill a person. Also, let's not forget he said he was going to try to fuck us, whether or not it was an act or genuine rage it seems quite scummy to me. He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend And then combine it with his day 2 play (where he didn't do anything again...) | ||
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