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On May 02 2014 10:41 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Poofter I'm going to hold you to that statement..
Well maby I wont.. Because I really know I'll be dead before morning.
But you know... Take a look from my perspective.
What if I am town?
Because you assume right now with your Koshi assumption I am 100% scum.
That is the only way me and Koshi make any sense together.
So are you saying me and Koshi are scum?
Ok cool.. now factor Austin into that.
Why the hell would I claim to save austin (In the heat of the moment, I might remind you. Before anyone comments. I claim to save Koshi... and then switch to Austin after Koshi tells me to fuck off, save the town, and save someone else.)
I blatantly gave not only my entire role claim but who I was going to save this night.
So like the progression there is so basic..
Poof shoots Koshi,
I am martyr for Koshi.
Kosh tells me HIMSELF not 2 fucking minutes later to move my save.
I do.
I move my save to austin.
Koshi dies.
Poof is confirmed to kill a townie. Yes this is fucking confirmed. Anyone who doesn't fucking realize this.. Please just lynch me tomorrow because you're worse than me. That's strait fucking impossible. Which means your scum. SO fucking lynch the claimed Martyr who will continue to save townies this entire game or go ahead and claim scum.
I strait dare you.
You shoot town.
You respond..
"I don't care I think my shot was good!"
Because your shot was totes on scum.
Why are you ignoring EVERYTHING I do this game?
LIKE I FUCKING GAVE MY LIFE TO SAVE SOMEONE AND YOUR IGNORING IT.
The ONLY reason I'm alive right now instead of Koshi is because [g]KOSHI[/g] HIMFUCKINGSELF TOLD ME TO MOVE OFF HIM. Otherwise you would be arguing with Koshi right now and not me.
Why are you ignoring me entirely?
You're scum.
That's why.
Too many fucking shots have been called this game for scum to only have one vig.
You're at least one more.
Lynch this guy.
I play confidently that doesn't mean I'm scum. (I do in video mafia and I usually am pretty stubborn) Also keep in mind when I shot all that stuff hadn't happened and I said that I was sure of my shot except what he did at death was weird but I wasn't going to take the thing he did at the end as a full clear (now I could be wrong and I accept that but I want to think I'm right)
I think its really unlikely that you and him are scummates because you would have a hard time explaining a death other than your own or especially austin with that claim so I think you're very town. But that doesn't make Koshi town because yes he did let himself just die think about how bad that makes me look as town for shooting him as well as think about if he had accepted your save. Like if he accepted your save he just took a save that could be used for an important power role so if it turns out Koshi was just VT or something his play makes a lot of sense or if he is scum he basically has to claim a power role later or everyone would be like "why take a bullet from the martyr if you're just a VT" especially if the end conclusion is that I get lynched for it and flip town.
Like I understand you think he was town thats fine. I think you're town for what you did not necessarily Koshi. Curiously what else have I done that you find scummy besides shooting Koshi? What was my agenda as scum? Lynch Oats? Try to save Foolish (who I think is town?) Like I shot I'm a day vig you say I'm making excuses and I don't think I am I certainly haven't said I regret shooting if he turns out town then yes I'll be upset at myself but thats my bad. Personally before we actually know for sure Koshi's alignment I think this talk isn't very useful. (obviously because I know you're just pushing on me when I'm town)
@Odin so aside from me who am I scum with? What other things do you find scummy? And what will you do if Koshi turns out to be red? What kind of fruit basket will you send me? Spoilers: I like Strawberries and bananas the best.
#Donate: 1 post to Odin I think that caps me but I'm interested in who else you think is scummy because I agree that if your claim is real you're likely to die tonight unless I'm wrong on austin (which honestly I can't imagine)
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 02 2014 11:10 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also in case I die tonight,
I thin Fool is still very questionable.
His connection with BH isn't outstanding to me.
For all I know it is not a mason chat.
Or it could be a mason chat.
One started by a mason as scum..
Who invited his buddy N1 (since this only started D2 when BH/Fool were both questionable...)
And then Bam suddenly there is a 3 way mason and w/e
Fine recruit more people.
I do hope you do that.
Hopefully people will see.
Bh I'm pretty sure as scum.
Foolish I only feel as bad about since Oats flip.
I didn't like him day1
but Oats flip really makes me think he's scum.
I'm not going to claim I am correct.
But you will know I am not coming from it as a mafia perspective.
There are other people in the mason chat who can confirm the order of events here.
Also the people in the mason can confirm that I also wanted to kill Oats on day 1. I don't believe I ever said this in the thread (though blazinghand alluded to it once) but it's there.
Going to go back to what was said above.
"Foolishness is scum! He pushed a mislynch day 1 and is pushing a mislynch on day 2!"
*Oatsmaster flips mafia*
"Foolishness is scum! He clearly bussed his own teammate with his scumbuddy blazinghand!"
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Tunnel Vision.
Tunnel Vision.
RebirthOfLegend is mafia.
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People posting, giving suspects, reasoning, whatever, is always a positive for us imo. Even if A disagrees with B, or thinks what B is suggesting is ridiculous, posting in general is just good for town, especially after we had a kind of slow start. We can be a little more productive now and everyone has stuff to talk about.
It'd be better if they were also including links to ABBA songs, but you can't get everything.
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Ok Poof.
Here then.
Tell me how these makes sense together.
I do not have the time to quote filters.
But I believe you are at least reading the thread.
We are talking.
You jump in to claim a shot on Koshi.
I cannot believe this is happening.
I think Koshi is still very strongly possible town.
So I pm host for martyr.
I claim to the thread I did this.
IE I CLAIMED I MARTYR FOR KOSHI.
I WILL DIE INSTEAD OF KOSHI.
Now if Koshi was scum..
Would he
1) afk ignore this and be like "I'm about to pee myelf I'm dancing so hard a town martyr just suicides himself for me"
2) He's town under less suspicion than me. he does the same as me and rofl OMG REACTION POST " GTFO OFF ME YOU COMPLETEL IDIOT"
3) We're all scum together and I just slipped that Austin is scum with me and Koshi because I told the thread who I saved in Koshi's place IMMEDIATELY after Koshi ordered me to move my vote.
That means either Koshi, Austin and myself are confirmed town.
Or me and Koshi are confirmed scum (if you believe this revert to previous statement.. LYNCH ME AND YOU WILL SEE.)
Or all of Koshi, Austin, and myself are scum and we planned this whole thing from the late D1 onwards.
I think Fool is questionable. Revert to Austin's comments if you can't see my reasoning in mine. I will be honest. I sheeped a lot of my thought on Foolish from him. More so after D2 when Foolish made several long post that seemed a little weird to me. But I'm not great at reading things. I can't meta anyone to compare because of it. I trust his and Sands reads. Thus I believe this to be the case. More so now with Oats flip.
As far as you go..
I dunno I liked you up until that happened tbh.
I had questions but they were not reserved.
People questioned Koshi.
That's why I gave him post.
That's why I encouraged him to not make filler post with them.
That's why I assumed maby if enough people agreed with this he'd at least live until tomorrow until he could prove himself or be obv scum.
When you shot Koshi I was not 100% he was town.
WHEN you shot Koshi it became so OBV he was town by his immediate reaction that I cannot believe otherwise.
And your response along with some others makes me think you are scum.
Like the way Koshi reacted to me is so town telling if you have any doubts about it..
Then I MUST BE SCUM so you HAVE TO LYNCH ME.
If we are Scum on Scum.. Why would he do this?
If I'm scum why would I put myself in a situation that you have to lynch me to see he is town?
If he is scum and I am town.. ? Well GJ Koshi. I just lined myself up for mislynch if towns to stupid to see it.
If we are both scum.. We literally both just claimed scum. And I will die the moment I don't follow up on a protect I'm going to be held to holding since I CLAIMED MARTYR.
So if general town says "you should totes save Austin" and I say "ye I agree" and then Austin DIES... I get lynched and two scum die for it.
Best case scenario for scum they get one more mislynch out of it.
And that's assuming I play along if they have a active memeber who I read as townie.
And THAT'S assuming that the town AGREES with my read.
Which for 80% of this game people have been confused as hell about me.
So the only options left is
Me, Koshi, and Austin are a scum team together.
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Ok, I will give my thoughts for the unlikely case that I get shot.
The people that got dayvigged:
Both probably town. I already said some stuff about why Koshi was town - listen to Odin if you are in doubt. Yamato I thought was town earlier and by now I am pretty sure about that considering how hard he went against the SnB and therefore FOR the oats lynch. Makes slam look bad btw.
Town:
austin - Lead the scumlynch, played towny all around. No doubt about this in my mind.
prplhz - Helpful observations like the votecount thing he posted, gave posts to the poor, pushed Foolishness, was on oatsmaster day1 when it mattered.
odin - The Koshi situation. His play didn't impress me otherwise but that read genuine to me.
Maybe town:
WoS - Was on oats day1, had some thoughts I had (re: BH for example).
Cephiro - Was on oats day1 and had good reads later on. Might be traitor but he could also have tried to do some retarded play as town. It wouldn't be the first time.
Palmar - Good reads.
Null:
VE - Have him as town in my spreadsheet but I don't remember why.
Caller - Went after Vayne (good) but I am not sold.
Ace - Could be town, could be scum. The only thing I know is that he is absolutely useless.
RoL - another useless lurker, Foolishness pushing him as lynch target day3 slightly points towards town though
gumshoe - another useless lurker
Maybe scum:
Poofter - Shot town Koshi, defended scum Foolishness with really shitty reasoning. He was the one that ultimately prevented oats from shooting though.
Slam - Shot town yamato. Didn't seem to have fun and even made posts that indicated a somewhat sane person writing them. I would somehow feel bad lynching him for that though...
Vayne - I already gave reasoning for this one.
Scum. Lynch with fire:
Blazinghand - Has not said anything useful all game. The only things he sort of pushed for were a gumshoe lynch day2 (crapshoot) and the SnB day1 when oats was getting traction (scummy as fuck). Besides that he defended Foolishness without ever giving even a single good reason for that.
Foolishness - Made 1 bad case on town day1. No useful contribution since then. Totally fucked up his line of thought in his big post about the day1 lynch. Tried to discredit me without even reading my posts in detail. Complained to noone in particular when he got heat instead of trying to convince people by contributions. No fucking way this guy is town. There is also Sandrobas read on this one.
The day2 was definitely a bus. There is no other way. Just look at the final votecount - do you really see a scumteam where noone is on oats at the end? I don't.
So, why not go after the other wagon Foolishness when it still would have been possible to get him lynched if you are scum? Yep, because he is scum too.
Take a look at when Foolishness and BH voted for oats. Oats was already unable to use his shot at that point, RoL did not get traction and the only other alternative was Foolishness himself. So they bussed him.
I never, NEVER said Foolishness was scum for going after a town oats mislynch. My accusation on Foolishness was always completely independent of oats' alignment.
Do you guys really think the best town Foolishness could come up with right now is a not very substantiated scumread on a lurker (RoL)? There is no insight, there is no effort - there is only scummyness.
5/5
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I just reposted the case JAT. What about is not substantiated?
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
The only thing I'd call 5/5 in that post is the glorious respite we get from the garbage you call logic for the rest of the night.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Actually nevermind, I think you and I can just agree to disagree at this point cause it's not going anywhere.
That's a nice way of saying you're going on my ignore list btw. <3
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Blarg sorry missed deadline. Taking care of it now.
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lol making a list before deadline to look more town? thats like my go to scum move. JAT just got so much more scummier.
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Day 3:
Odinofpergo (Town Martyr) has died!
Day 3 ends in .
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LOL
Did they think he was bluffing or some shit?
I guess either that or JK/'paramedic' (whatever that is)
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GG.
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Well if nobody else is going to talk then I will.
First of all:
On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! 
This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me?
Other stuff:
Foolishness, how about this. I will vote for RoL today. If he flips town, then you are scum. How does that sound? Because I can't honestly believe if you've been so active in this other QT that you haven't come down with a list of a few scum here beyond the megalurk that is RoL. It's like BH pointing out gumshoe as primary lynch. It's terrible and BH had zero basis on which to do it other than lurk. I'll give you that you have slightly more to go on w/RoL but it's not much, and it's low hanging fruit. (Not to mention the fact that you're playing a little differently from Shadow and Catastrophe, but that's just feels and not strong ones.)
I've noticed your list for today is RoL/Caller/Palmar.
This means that you've also given though to the first thing I said in this game? And yet you posted a big ol' case on me a little while ago? And still seem to think I'm scum 'but not above other people and I need to be held accountable.' How, exactly? Your thoughts really don't seem to add up in a good way this game, good buddeh.
One final thing. Thoughts on Ace? Are we still waiting for him to show up and wow us? Is this one of those games where he just doesn't give a shit like so many others?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Well if nobody else is going to talk then I will. First of all: Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me? Other stuff: Foolishness, how about this. I will vote for RoL today. If he flips town, then you are scum. How does that sound? Because I can't honestly believe if you've been so active in this other QT that you haven't come down with a list of a few scum here beyond the megalurk that is RoL. It's like BH pointing out gumshoe as primary lynch. It's terrible and BH had zero basis on which to do it other than lurk. I'll give you that you have slightly more to go on w/RoL but it's not much, and it's low hanging fruit. (Not to mention the fact that you're playing a little differently from Shadow and Catastrophe, but that's just feels and not strong ones.) I've noticed your list for today is RoL/Caller/Palmar. This means that you've also given though to the first thing I said in this game? And yet you posted a big ol' case on me a little while ago? And still seem to think I'm scum 'but not above other people and I need to be held accountable.' How, exactly? Your thoughts really don't seem to add up in a good way this game, good buddeh. One final thing. Thoughts on Ace? Are we still waiting for him to show up and wow us? Is this one of those games where he just doesn't give a shit like so many others?
As I pointed out RoL fits the bill. I posted a case. He was collecting some votes yesterday and still did nothing. Gumshoe is still a fine lynch but I still feel uneasy about it. Would not be upset and need more evidence that he's mafia. Caller and Palmar fit the bill and I would wager one is mafia.
Also the low-hanging fruit is not really an acceptable argument because nearly every lynch is low hanging fruit in this game.
Yes I'm fine with you cause you're here posting. I've considered the things you said. At the time when I posted my list you were definitely a questionable suspect. I said before, and you admitted it, that you are very bored this game and I can tell that in your posting. Doesn't indicate mafia though. Not going to worry about you.
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
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Foolishness, I'm not going to pretend that I have been super helpful to any extent, but you are too good to have played so poorly this game assuming you are town. You defended Oatsmaster several times and randomly changed votes. Now you go for me as if you actually think I'm scum.
It's okay buddy. Even after this is over, I still love you.
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On May 02 2014 12:38 Foolishness wrote:
I just reposted the case JAT. What about is not substantiated?
You are going after a lurker for lurking/doing nothing. I remember your cases in the shadow game, I remember your cases in catastrophe. This is nothing like that.
On May 02 2014 12:40 Foolishness wrote:
Actually nevermind, I think you and I can just agree to disagree at this point cause it's not going anywhere.
That's a nice way of saying you're going on my ignore list btw. <3
So you think I am town I take it? Not very protown move of you then.
On May 02 2014 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
The only thing I'd call 5/5 in that post is the glorious respite we get from the garbage you call logic for the rest of the night.
Another glorious contribution by based town hero Blazinghand. Perfectly in line with the rest of his filter.
On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me?
Because I thought you were talking about the voting mechanic. If you didn't the post I made before the one you quoted stands. You can believe that bussing is bad all you want but if you take even one look at the votecount you will realize that there were people bussing.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Oh also, about Ace. I anticipate he'll show his true colors after more mafia die. Cause at this rate if he's mafia he can't just sit back like this.
That's a very convoluted way of saying I think he's town but I really don't know.
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I present you, today's two lynch targets:
Blazinghand & Alakaslam.
This is not up for discussion, this is an order.
BH & Slam, post your defenses please.
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EPT
