You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 51

I will try to bring up points both in favour and against, but I believe Koshi to be scum, thus I don't really see a reason to emphasize things that look towny of him.



I haven't seen any of this traitor hunting he claimed that he'd do. A bit interested in why he even brought up someone like Odin that he's unsure about. I mean, if you're going to delve into why certain points make you think pro-town and others pro-mafia, then that's fine. But just bringing up a person for saying they could be anything? What is he trying to achieve with this?

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The progression between these two posts is interesting. A complete 180-degree turn on the reads. I suppose it's easy to say stuff and change reads if you don't provide your thought process for them?

Also a point to notice is how concerned Koshi is with the people that call him scum. The different reaction can be explained here because geript actually wrote up on his thing, whereas caller didn't.



Praises Foolishness for his meta and sheeps it -> calls out JAT for his small post on prplhz and the usage of meta.
Usually meta is used like this:
Person X did A under circumstances Z and was alignment 1. If person X does A again under similar circumstances, he is likely to be of same alignment.

Now, I personally think this is bullshit, but this is how most players use meta on here. Refer to the bolded. JAT pointed out that Foolishness was wrong in his meta with an example occasion. Koshi quickly goes on to debunking it, as mistakes can happen to anyone. Certainly, that is true. But why count so much on something unreliable that was already proven to have flaws?



+ For explaining why he doesn't think prplhz is scummy.
- For artificially creating extra points. The last three could be summed up in one point. Could be a simple mistake, but... would Koshi really repeat himself unnecessarily like this?
- Sheeps foolishness in saying prplhz is scummy after providing reasoning for the complete opposite. W. T. F. Just WTF?
E: Later on admits to doing this intentionally, but never gives a reason for it. Rather, tells us to pick one of our liking. What was his goal if he did this intentionally? If he had none, why not just admit so? If he had one, why never follow up with it? Unnecessary trolling = Anti-town.



Did not really see much of this... while it doesn't make him scum, why constantly contradict oneself? Also the amount of calling geript scum/bad just for the heck of doing it is overwhelming. Do you get somewhere by just spamming "scum"?



"I shouldn't try to meta this thing" -> "I should blindy trust on other players (whose alignment I don't know) meta." This makes no sense.

Funsie bonus: Scummers didn't seem to want Koshi's penis a lot on D1 -> Koshi is probably scum?

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Like this post is just full of... what. Why even bother trying to write up something on everyone if you clearly don't care to. So much unnecessary filler and "dnu". + Some of these are hilariously fabricated (which, I think Palmar pointed out earlier.)

Lots of one-two liners before going to sleep, but it was as he'd just have to use up his remaining posts or to assure everyone that "he had been around near lynch." Well, does anyone see a pro-town motive for "Oats is Oats, I'm sticking on snb", attitude-repetition?



If mafia wanted to find out if you're worth shooting, why would they be interested in WHY you think something about a player, rather than just WHAT? I'd say it's counterproductive for scum to ask a town why their read is as is, (other than trying to look like other townies curious for the thoughts), as responding to that question gives other townies a thought process and an opinion to bounce off their own conclusions from. So how on earth does asking you anything at night relate to considering you as a shot target, if you assumed JAT was mafia?

So you thought VA was town but you never say further why or why not. Scumread geript is not on priority list, why?
And last, replying to the question with another question. In Mafia, we don't go by "everyone is mafia until proven otherwise". I'm not saying everyone is town until proven otherwise either, but if you think someone is scum and can't provide a single reason for it.. that says a lot. Why ignore the questions posed at you?



This is probably the worst post by Koshi in his whole game. While this has been pointed out several times, I'm going to give a short reminder.

1) He claims that a dead town player was wrong regarding two players (which of one we know to be true).
2) Because he was shot -> All his reads must be correct
3) All the reads by dead town player except the ones proven false and that threaten him are correct.

Given his style of writing, he intends to push this discussion seriously. Given the above facts, how can you take a person who tries to push the above thing seriously, seriously?



Why is he trying to make out so much about something he could never be sure of? It's as if he HAS to find the true reason for the NK to have something to push for. Or maybe just... make your own reads on players based on their behavior? Or is it too hard to fabricate a read, whereas trying to reason your thoughts by mindgaming the nightkills gives you a reason which you otherwise would never have?

Who's to say geript didn't sacrifice himself?



This one is lolworthy. Because of palmar's claim of "literal traitor claim", he's off the scumlist and I'm such confirmt mafia I should be vigged right away? Like how is this even remotely pro-town play?


Again, telling everyone to follow the dead people that are confirmed townies. But oh wait, geript thought Koshi was scum. BUT DON'T FOLLOW THAT, BAKA. Yeah...

Check the bolded. This is based on geript thinking they are both town. However, at the moment of posting, Koshi thinks Slam is scum and is fine with shooting Oats.

First the "trolling" with foolishness. Now seriously trying to get things done with the excuse of reads of dead townies. And then changing his mind again. This is the peak of flip-flopping if anything.



Care to... give us this confirmation? How would you know if you aren't in a mason circle with a townie that can kill at night, have night kp yourself, or are scum?



Now... do you think these changes of mind which just keep on coming are from a genuine townie? It's like whenever he's called out for flawed play, he admits it was bad such as to get away with it.

So Koshi, do you really agree you've played so badly at multiple stages at the game for how hard you've pushed some agendas?

Or maybe you're trying to look a bad townie instead of caught scum? Why would we not make a case on you if your posts are total shit?



ALERT: WHAT? Not shooting the scum we're most sure on is a bad idea? Should we shoot people we are unsure and leave them unflipped then??

This is just... really people, look at this. Why would you ever want to keep the unsure players unflipped? This suggest such an pro-mafia agenda.



Er nope, you didn't. And wow. Do I really just not know how to read the thread, or why haven't I seen all these people defending Koshi's actions via meta? This seems like another thing just made up.

His reaction on the threat being shot by tehpoofter is just over the top. He doesn't keep a cool at all, and tries to react over-the-top emotionally. Like really, am I the only one who thinks that mindless raging with bad reasoning won't ensure others that you're town? Or is really thinking "super emotional reaction -> must be town" that common in here?

Koshi's most interesting development of read:

Oats: Either -> Townish -> Scum -> Town -> Worth shooting

Talk about... changing one's mind.

TLDR: Koshi is scum for:
1) Fabricating Stuff
2) Doing wrong stuff and pushing for it intentionally and acting apologetic after being called out for it
3) Dem flip-flops.