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On April 17 2014 06:20 Vivax wrote:@ OO PoE AND posts like this: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Haven't read newest shit but
Oo why you want to plynch Akaka if you have no problem town reading him?
Why you gotta shit town read thrawn based on bullshit? I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? Let's split this into three text blocks. First block is a huge answer about Kaslam. That's ok, that's not my beef, kush asked you a question. The second block is defensive in my opinion. What is your intention here since according to kush you townread thrawn? Btw point me to what you're replying cause thrawn didn't even ask you anything O_o (I don't think I've missed such a thing while looking for it). The third block is meh. Says something semi-conclusive, ends up with a question to yourself. You still got trouble getting a conclusion about Koshi? Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 06:00 mderg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. I don´t agree with this case on Djagulingu. It´s purely based on Djagu´s self meta which I think is always difficult to base a case on. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 07:23 OneThousandWords wrote:I also find it odd how Cavalinho has chosen to respond to posts in the thread. His chose his first posts of the game to say hi and that he isn't going to comment on anything because nothing has happened. I find this in and of itself strange. When people first start the game they usually start to converse with people or even talk about policy, however, Cavalinho decided not to have any part of the conversation whatsoever. Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 14:36 Cavalinho wrote:On April 15 2014 14:32 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 13:54 Cavalinho wrote:
Hi. Right on, right on. What you thinking about right now? Nothing has happened yet. So...Nothing. Now, understandably we do not know the circumstances and I'd like to hear more from him but then he returns to the thread after quite some time to post, well, nothing. His only real post is a post to jump on discrediting OmniEulogy (whether justly or not). Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote:On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes. Uhh. Also I don't get the points in your post at all. I find this an odd behavioural tidbit because IMO this is not a townies mindset. I agree with this case on cav + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 23:54 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:22 Koshi wrote:
OneThousandWords
Did absolutely NOTHING.
Went in an argument with me defending the fact that skanjab HAS TO CLAIM RB OR IS MAFIA ON D2 while OTW himself didn't believe the Vig claim.
Then he made some halfassed case on Cavalinho which simply isn't enough for a smurf. Even if Cavalinho is suspicious, it doesn't change the fact OTW has done nothing. Just some silly quotes enabling him to fly under radar. This is categorically false. Where do I state that I don't believe he could be vig? Also, I've seen the word smurf thrown around. If it's used in the same way as MOBA games then you're wrong, I was invited here by a friend from another mafia site. Here is wherein the real problem lies. All the people that you seemingly "like" for things that they have done have quite simply started from posts that I have made. Thrawn's main contributions this game: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:same for me. becasue of this post Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not) He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim
koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 Here I agree on the part about thrawns first contribution being the case on me is scummy. I don´t think thrawn was sheeping OTW, though. If you agree with his case on Cava why does he stay null for you when you ask me about the reads? Be honest, did you just go look for OTW's cases when I asked you?
thrawn thing, I used re: instead of regarding erroneously, I didn't actually reply to anything specifically. Just stated that it felt right at the time to give him a prelim town read for how the game started.
All I can confidently say about Koshi is that I don't want to lynch him for how he's playing. That he's semi-all over the place is in his favor given how slow things are going and the lack of an ability to get a good snowball of evidence when the pace of the game is what it is. For some reason I feel like he would be more focused if he was mafia, but that's like a vague memory of distant past games in concept and if someone has better information regarding his scum play, I'm all ears. Not really concerned about him to warrant digging for it yet.
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gdamn i like this onethousandwords dude
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I'm going to sleep. Won't be back before day 1 ends.
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Kush is that a townread? Do you agree with some of his cases or what else is that supposed to mean?
OO can you look at my list of reads and pick the ones you disagree with?
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Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch.
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:
Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)
Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg
Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile
I am looking at those 5 possible scummers and I can't say you are completely crazy so I am going to believe you. Alakaslam hopefully didn't replace out as scum again...
Are you planning on pushing a target today?
Why is Kush not scum? I don't see it. Kush is scummy as scum btw.
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I'm in agreement with you there OTW.
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On April 17 2014 06:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch.
Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads?
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On April 17 2014 06:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:
Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)
Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg
Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile I am looking at those 5 possible scummers and I can't say you are completely crazy so I am going to believe you. Alakaslam hopefully didn't replace out as scum again... Are you planning on pushing a target today? Why is Kush not scum? I don't see it. Kush is scummy as scum btw.
I just played against Kush as scum, I'm kinda confident I found out about how he plays scum. Specifically, the way he pushes his reads.
He tends to attach onto cases on townies, add some of his own points and show extraordinary confidence about his fake reads while doing very little besides that, I didn't see that pattern yet in this game.
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On April 17 2014 07:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 06:59 Koshi wrote:On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:
Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)
Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg
Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile I am looking at those 5 possible scummers and I can't say you are completely crazy so I am going to believe you. Alakaslam hopefully didn't replace out as scum again... Are you planning on pushing a target today? Why is Kush not scum? I don't see it. Kush is scummy as scum btw. I just played against Kush as scum, I'm kinda confident I found out about how he plays scum. Specifically, the way he pushes his reads. He tends to attach onto cases on townies, add some of his own points and show extraordinary confidence about his fake reads while doing very little besides that, I didn't see that pattern yet in this game.
A meta read. What about his current play? What if it wasn't Kush?
How come so many people read Kush as town this game. I think I saw 4 people beside you call him town. It's simply too many.
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Too many for him to be scum it feels like.
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On April 17 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 06:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch. Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads?
If you think this you are not reading anything I say at all.
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I would like to go to bed. So tired.
The deadline is big suckass but Europe is going to bed and would be niec to have 4 votes on somebody.
Omni guy looks like a fine lynch to me. FT I guess maybe but not the biggest fan. Kush still looks sweet to me but I guess that train passed? w.e
If you feel extremely strong about OO I guess I could lynch him.
OTW can just die. I don't really care.
so yeah.
Every lynch is fine.
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Koshi, if you think Kush is scum give me a bunch of convincing reasons please. Looking through your filter I find it hard to find something that conclusively deduces from his posts that he's scum.
On April 17 2014 07:09 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:On April 17 2014 06:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch. Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads? If you think this you are not reading anything I say at all.
Please, just your current townreads besides the one on the vigi claim. I don't want a shitfight you're attempting to start.
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:
Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)
Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg
Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile
This list?
FT I feel like I've always had a hard time getting a read on. I know in the past I've always felt he was scummy and it was based on activity at the time. Given his relative activity to this game it can't really be used against him.
Reading Omni's filter last night put me into a comatose state trying to make sense of it. His style seems to be part conversational, part POE, which I think makes him more likely to be town than scum, but he's taken a hard line defending borderline-at-the-time mderg which I don't understand the reason for. Don't really care for the summary-nature of his read on thrawn because it doesn't really come to a solid conclusion, yet that's where his vote lands.
On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
Interesting choice of words; safe place to put a vote. Interesting because somehow he's created a situation where that's what he's done. Putting his vote in a safe place (on someone who he perceived as someone putting their vote somewhere safe) SAFE-CEPTION?
OTW seems to be adjusting to how games play here, not sure yet on his alignment. Gut would say town but since he's new here I don't know how to tell for certain yet. I already bought up the potential culture clash which he hasn't responded to yet, if it even merited a response.
mderg is part of my filter already
How are you so confident on your town reads on cav and djag?
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On April 17 2014 07:17 Vivax wrote:Koshi, if you think Kush is scum give me a bunch of convincing reasons please. Looking through your filter I find it hard to find something that conclusively deduces from his posts that he's scum. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 07:09 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 17 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:On April 17 2014 06:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch. Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads? If you think this you are not reading anything I say at all. Please, just your current townreads besides the one on the vigi claim. I don't want a shitfight you're attempting to start.
No I am too tired. If your first impression is town I follow it.
These are interesting maybe:
On April 17 2014 02:38 kushm4sta wrote:
just because i posted on 14 doesn't mean i read everything up to 14.
This was a lie. 100% untrue.
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)
Doesn't make sense.
I just don't like Kush his early play. He did nothing. Don't know if it is scummy. It wasn't towny. And then he lies and makes dumb posts. ...
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Anyway, who do we vote for?
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hey guys what's up? on pg 22 right now. only thing I can really conclude from what I've read is that I think mderg is town. probably kush too
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Ok Kush is not lynch for today. Still think he might be scum but w.e
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On April 16 2014 23:35 OmniEulogy wrote:
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him.
This post. Interesting?
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On April 17 2014 07:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys what's up? on pg 22 right now. only thing I can really conclude from what I've read is that I think mderg is town. probably kush too
I don't really know who I would vote for if not mderg. I think kush is probably town, but fuck me if I could prove it without a doubt. I keep conflating djag and cav in my mind for some reason. Djag seems to have been all gung-ho about playing super townie but spent half the day discussing that concept in various ways somehow.
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first. It was as scumslip as "100%" I don't see what you are seeing tbh. I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin. We will see. You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.
Seems to be a theme for his game. I'm really not sure what he's thinking lol. He has it out for Cav.
Cav is also on the mderg-probably-town boat with you but he's played the filter length card against FT when his own filter is less than a page as well. Which is hilarious and stuff but by his own reasons for calling FT scum he is scum to himself. Not very fleshed out reasons for why FT is scum plus a short filter.
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