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Koshi
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Koshi
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On April 17 2014 08:01 Vivax wrote: Wait a moment Koshi. Two quick things before you put your weight on the lynch and going to bed. 1. How do you conclusively gain from those posts that OE must be scum before confronting him with it? Frankly I would want to hear that first. 2. OTW just called you scummy for ignoring his counter-case on your scumread. What was the reason for that and do you think that's a valid reason for calling you scum? 1. He isn't here. What do you want me to do? Not vote him because he isn't here? I am the first vote on him anyway. 2. I already gave the reason for it. I made a recent post that thrawn is town. He makes a post that thrawn is scum. I remember looking at that post and going w.evs. I didn't see something wrong with the case, it didn't feel wrong, but it also didn't convince me to revisit my thrawn read. OTW and me had some turbulence this game. I also do not know how he plays mafia in general, he maybe doesn't know how we play mafia here. If this is a first game I would be surprised if he is scum. Pretty ballsy, clear, I don't have scummy feelings on his posts. The reason he and I were clinching a couple times is because that 1 post he made about Skanjab 100% getting the RB. I probably made too big of a deal out of it and didn't explain myself properly the first time what it was really about and it grew into something it else. Like w.evs. Like even though I am quite active. I do not have a good scumread atm. Like... Everybody can still be scum it feels like. But my feelings do have a decent order in which I would lynch personally. atm Omni is pretty high on that list. Probably the highest. Like I could go OO or FT or maybe somebody else but I feel like due to early game I feel better if Omni is out of the game. | ||
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Koshi
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kushm4sta
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Vivax
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I could roll with an Omni lynch unless he pops in here and shines townie when clarifying the intent behind those posts, but OTW somewhat still rubs me the wrong way with his answers. I don't even know why I my opinion on that post is a condition to you giving yours, it's like I have to pull the stuff out of your mouth cause you're angry or something. Or do you have a scumread on me or what is wrong with you? Can't you just answer a question like a normal human being? | ||
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kushm4sta
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OneThousandWords
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On April 17 2014 08:22 Koshi wrote: Omni is probably a good lynch. Maybe FT as well. I can get behind a Tofu lynch! I didn't like his niggling responses to me questioning vivax and he voted me for my thrawn case but then when I wrote exactly what was in the case to him after that he said "oh yeh I checked and that's true" but then left his vote on me. | ||
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OneThousandWords
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On April 17 2014 08:27 Vivax wrote: Kush still waiting for you to answer my question, please. What was that supposed to mean about OTW. I could roll with an Omni lynch unless he pops in here and shines townie when clarifying the intent behind those posts, but OTW somewhat still rubs me the wrong way with his answers. I don't even know why I my opinion on that post is a condition to you giving yours, it's like I have to pull the stuff out of your mouth cause you're angry or something. Or do you have a scumread on me or what is wrong with you? Can't you just answer a question like a normal human being? A player specifically asks another player for a read on a post, that player in question then asks ME for that read rather than responding himself. Do you not see how silly that would be for me to do? What if the player in question was trying to form a read based on your response, I've posted a lot in the thread while you have not so why would I not want to let myself and others hear responses from you? | ||
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Koshi
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Vivax
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On April 17 2014 08:30 OneThousandWords wrote: A player specifically asks another player for a read on a post, that player in question then asks ME for that read rather than responding himself. Do you not see how silly that would be for me to do? What if the player in question was trying to form a read based on your response, I've posted a lot in the thread while you have not so why would I not want to let myself and others hear responses from you? I posted my opinion. It looks confusing and doesn't make much sense, ie it could be made up. Now that you got it, what gives? | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
On April 17 2014 08:28 kushm4sta wrote: doesn't mean i have a strong townread on him So what is it? A weak townread? Why did you say that. | ||
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thrawn2112
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Townreads: koshi - probably cares the most about the game and has put in the most useful effort so far. at the beginning of the game when he told me that he's going to need me to play my best, I really thought that was a townie post for him to make. In the past he's misread me because I was lazy so I think that post was because of our past experience, plus his expectations of how the game was going to go based off the player list. so I think he is pushing town's interests kush - gut feeling, if I could explain it i would mderg - after reading his past games I realized that the way he posts that caused me to scumread him earlier... is just the way he plays the game. and I think his slight scumread on me is a natural reaction. if he's capable of making that first post as town, then he wouldn't be able to understand why i'd think it was scummy, so his scum read on me makes sense. I also think he made some pretty townie responses during some live conversation that happened a bit earlier. obviousone - he's my D1 buddy djag - earlier I called him insufferable. i don't thik scum, and especially first time scum, would post in a way that would annoy everyone else in the game. for people that know robik, i'm getting town roboik vibes from him, but more like a poor man's robik. he's so sure of himself and not afraid to rub it in people's faces and that usually indicates that someone is town. vivax - I think he's town. I don't feel strongly about this because I'm not that confident in my ability to read him. But his posts make sense, and all I can remember of his scum play is that his logic ain't so good. And when he's town there's this vibe I get from him where it feels like he's trying to interrogate people and that's what I see here. So I got a moderately strong meta town read on vivax. skan - i don't think omgus players would fake claim like that. all my experience on the site indicates that they wouldn't. That's my PoE town list. It leaves me with cavalinho, OTW, FT, and OE. OTW - Out of those 4 PoE names I think OTW has made more posts that left me with a town impression. I was all ready to call him mafia because his case on me is pretty stupid but now that I know he's a first time player I'm not ready to hold him accountable for that. In general his posts have felt townieish. I can't remember anything that Cavalinho's done or anything he's pushed. Usuauly that's indicative of someone being scum. I need to reread his shit. Same for FT. All I remember about him is the post he made about djag and some hard defense of the mderg lynch which seemed a bit over the top given the circumstances. Out of my PoE group, OE's the scummiest. I am kinda where koshi's at in that i don't feel all that great about my scumreads, I think this is because I haven't had a chance to converse with any of them. This is why I was hanging out waiting for OE last night. The things I don't like about him are how he was tunneled on koshi with no real purpose behind the tunnel, I thought the way his read on djag fromed felt a bit unnatural and didn't seem like a real read. I also felt this way when slightly started pushnig me. On April 17 2014 01:50 OmniEulogy wrote: I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol This post was so weird. Koshi explains why he thought thrawn was town. OE says that koshi's case might be correct... then he says a bunch of nonrelated stuff that allows him to not have to recant his thrawn read. Like I said earlier he's agreeing with a "thrawn is town" case while giving bullshit reasons to not move his vote. and wtf is this On April 16 2014 23:35 OmniEulogy wrote: the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. he makes this post after saying these things about me: On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote: his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote. On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote: The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game. So mderg is a safe place for me to put my vote? But OE has no reason to think mderg is town? And I'm scum for voting kush, but kush is one of OE's main scumreads? Clearly he has no issue with the people I've voted for, because his reads on those people generally matched up with mine. He's only calling out the timing of my votes as opportunistic. But that's stupid. That should't be enough for him to scumread me considering how much our reads were apparently in sync, and how he apparently liked koshi's post about why I'm town. Spekaing of opputunistic and safe lynching pushing, see OE's push on me. | ||
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OneThousandWords
Barbados123 Posts
I'll share my opinion now. I kind of like this post, it calls out a lot of the things that I had been saying but adds to them. I had called out Dja for his meta read of himself that he seemed to betray and dja had only responded with a quote from a book. That is not the response that I would have expected and it seems like Omni mirrored this in his thoughts. I think he's fundamentaly flawed in how he's been taught mafia though and that's where the problem therein lies. He has been taught to just find scum whereas you have been taught that you should find town and scum at the same time because that makes the job easier. It's not a scum slip as you mentioned but rather a clash of two philosophies IMO and thus the rest of his post came to fruition. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On April 17 2014 08:45 OneThousandWords wrote: I'll share my opinion now. I kind of like this post, it calls out a lot of the things that I had been saying but adds to them. I had called out Dja for his meta read of himself that he seemed to betray and dja had only responded with a quote from a book. That is not the response that I would have expected and it seems like Omni mirrored this in his thoughts. I think he's fundamentaly flawed in how he's been taught mafia though and that's where the problem therein lies. He has been taught to just find scum whereas you have been taught that you should find town and scum at the same time because that makes the job easier. It's not a scum slip as you mentioned but rather a clash of two philosophies IMO and thus the rest of his post came to fruition. when I look at that post i see an anti-koshi wall of text with no purpose. does he think koshi si scum? does he want to lynch koshi? he doesn't say. so why is he spending so mush time pointing out all that stuff? | ||
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thrawn2112
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but the problem is that the amount of effort need to write that post is disporportionate to how strongly OE felt about his koshi read. if someone makes that kind of post against koshi I expect them to push koshi, not ignore him the rest of the game | ||
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OneThousandWords
Barbados123 Posts
On April 17 2014 08:52 thrawn2112 wrote: ok, he does call koshi scum at the top. but the problem is that the amount of effort need to write that post is disporportionate to how strongly OE felt about his koshi read. if someone makes that kind of post against koshi I expect them to push koshi, not ignore him the rest of the game Well I'm not going to speak for him so I don't know his motivation for it, it looks like he's a bit angry with Koshi if anything. I kind of have to go out now and won't be back before deadline. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On April 17 2014 08:54 OneThousandWords wrote: Well I'm not going to speak for him so I don't know his motivation for it, it looks like he's a bit angry with Koshi if anything. I kind of have to go out now and won't be back before deadline. yo realize that you are wasting your vote? i'm obviously town and I'm not going to get lynched. | ||
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