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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:43 GMT
#641
ok.

I don't think we should lynch OE.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
April 17 2014 00:44 GMT
#642
On April 17 2014 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok.

I don't think we should lynch OE.


that's awesome, but I still have no fucking clue who scum is in this game.
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 00:45 GMT
#643
Hey, I'm back.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:45 GMT
#644
On April 17 2014 09:45 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey, I'm back.


Hello!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 00:53 GMT
#645
On April 17 2014 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok lets lynch firmtofu. his scumread on OTW is a defense of me.... his knowledge of my alignment is his basis for attacking OTW

Yes, it is a defense of you. How did you jump to the conclusion that I somehow know your alignment? Plenty of people have placed you in the town category. How am I any different? Also, I find OTW scummy as of right now. I don't know if I would call that a scumread just yet.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 00:55 GMT
#646
I find OO's indifference towards me somewhat disturbing. In past games I've played with him, he has been confident when reading me. His wishy-washy stance perturbs me.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:57 GMT
#647
Who do you want to lynch? Your vote is on OTW but you just said you don;t know if you have a real scumread on him yet.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:01 GMT
#648
On April 17 2014 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch? Your vote is on OTW but you just said you don;t know if you have a real scumread on him yet.

Yeah, I'm looking for better targets right now. I'll get back to you on that. I'd like to lynch into OTW/OE/OO/Dja/Cavalinho as of right now, though.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:02 GMT
#649
EBWOP: And mderg
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:05 GMT
#650
Quick question: Thrawn, when I defended you in this post...
On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.

Did you agree with what I said? Consider the case in isolation, before I commented on it.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 17 2014 01:07 GMT
#651
why aren't we lynching cavalinho? why are people townreading that guy?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:07 GMT
#652
Another interesting observation: Vivax has been ignoring me this entire game. Not responding to my questions and not commenting on me at all, aside from the "lmao" post from thrawn.

@Vivax Why must you ignore me so?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:17 GMT
#653
On April 17 2014 10:07 kushm4sta wrote:
why aren't we lynching cavalinho? why are people townreading that guy?

What are some good games of him I can look at? I feel like his meta could help me decide on him.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:19 GMT
#654
On April 17 2014 10:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Quick question: Thrawn, when I defended you in this post...
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.

Did you agree with what I said? Consider the case in isolation, before I commented on it.


yeah I agree that I'm town. i dont really understand the question
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22320 Posts
April 17 2014 01:20 GMT
#655
On April 17 2014 09:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 07:54 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?

No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.


^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 18:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.

All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I see no reason to think he is town.


so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.


Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.

You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.



Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.


sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.

Vivax. Your opinion on this post?


Idk lol. It's confusing. I don't get what he's trying to accomplish by bringing up all those points about you. I actually don't know if he wants to paint you in a better or worse light, and why it's relevant in his reply to Djago since he doesn't show any signs of having a scumread on you afterwards.

I would like to hear OE's intentions behind this post.


at no point in that case do I call Koshi scum, I tried to discredit his ridiculous thinking for sure considering everything he was doing and saying made absolutely no sense, I was also a bit irritated with him because I think I had to repeat myself for him twice at that point within a short period of time.

Just because I was upset with Koshi didn't mean I thought he was scum, just that he was extremely wrong with his thought process. Which he still is but w/e

As far as the Thrawn / Kush thing goes, I meant Kush and the other lurkers more or less all seemed as likely as candidates for scum and why would I vote for one of four people when Thrawn stood out to me? I explained it earlier. I'd rather lynch somebody I think is scum as opposed to one of multiple people who are just scummy. At the time Thrawn's contributions were literally asking for a policy lynch and voting for a lurker who had said he had no time to play that day.


Who did you think was scum at the time? Djago, right?
Cause it's odd you spend time writing all that stuff to discredit Koshi when in fact you said before that another dude was scum.

That's why I specifically asked you about your intentions. What I see lacking in that post is the intention to either push or find out more about your scumread. I don't know which townie talks to his scumread (Djago) about something and then proceeds to post multiple points about somebody trying to discredit him even though he doesn't think he's scum. Usually you would only do that when you feel very much like some guy is dangerous to you. That's a rather scummy mindset.

Thrawn (and anyone else), do you disagree with this?

- Not figuring out Djago and instead
- discredit a not-scumread cause
- he felt cornered by Koshi

Conclusion: Scum

I initially wasn't even sure what he was trying to achieve with Koshi cause apparently a lot of his remarks on his posts were sarcastic. I'll leave my vote on him unless I discover something better, but I doubt it.


##Vote OmniEulogy


On April 17 2014 10:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Another interesting observation: Vivax has been ignoring me this entire game. Not responding to my questions and not commenting on me at all, aside from the "lmao" post from thrawn.

@Vivax Why must you ignore me so?


PoE mostly and the posts or playstyle which didn't make me add them to the townie list.
Also posted some stuff on OTW previously, I think you missed that cause it would answer half of your question.

As for the other half, OmniEulogy, my conclusion is right above this post. You're encouraged to post your opinion, especially since you're not cleared in my book and the "Oh look Vivax is ignoring me, hmmm, interesting" doesn't make you look much better. Do you think I could be scum?

Also answer me this: The reason you think OTW could be scum is that his case on thrawn looks bad as far as I can gain from your filter. How do you discern if it's a bad townie making it or scum? Cause that case alone isn't enough of an argument, so how did you conclude scum? My arguments for him being possible scum were different.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:20 GMT
#656
On April 17 2014 10:07 kushm4sta wrote:
why aren't we lynching cavalinho? why are people townreading that guy?


i'm not. i don't even have a read on him outside of him being liekly scum due to poe. i'll go read his stuff.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:22 GMT
#657
vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 17 2014 01:25 GMT
#658
My compiled cavalinho case:

On April 16 2014 14:24 Cavalinho wrote:
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On April 16 2014 13:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote:
On April 16 2014 06:09 FirmTofu wrote:
Djagulingu is fairly unimpressive. His activity is commendable, but altogether useless. Most of his posts are one-liners that seek to aggravate or provoke. I see a lot of unsubstantiated accusations in his filter. He's running around trying to piss everyone off all at once without any attempt at substantive discussion. His focus on his own meta is especially interesting and reflective of an egotistical personality. For that reason, I believe his aggressive behavior in thread so far is due to a heightened sense of superiority rather than something alignment-indicative. That is to say, he'd be acting like a douche whether he was mafia or town.


Why did you make this post? It's nothing more than a wall-of-text with no real meat in it that reaches no definitive conclusion.

Because Koshi wanted me to give my thoughts on him? I wouldn't have mentioned him otherwise.


Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post. It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. Why would you insist on making a giant wall of nothing rather than just say "I don't have any opinion on this guy yet?"

It's as if you wanted to be seen as doing things while ultimately accomplishing nothing.


cavalinho is looking scummiest to me right now.
He is continuing to scumread FT for writing expansive thoughts on why he thinks djangulingu is null. instead of just saying null. Terrible reason for scum reading someone.

I can see why FT could be considered scummy for just writing this out of no where, but as an answer to a question, it ceases to be scummy.

Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post. It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. Why would you insist on making a giant wall of nothing rather than just say "I don't have any opinion on this guy yet?"

FT "doesn't actually thing anything." That is not true and it's such a scummy way to call someone scummy.

i mean looking cavalinho's reasoning for why FT is scum. He is repeating the same generic shit over and over again.

Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post.

It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. "

It's as if you wanted to be seen as doing things while ultimately accomplishing nothing.



plus why the fuck is cavalinho so focused on FT when mberg also opened with a post where he doesn't discuss reads at all.


plus this looks nothing like his town game here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Cavalinho&page=2
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 17 2014 01:26 GMT
#659
On April 17 2014 10:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 17 2014 10:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Quick question: Thrawn, when I defended you in this post...
On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

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On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.

Did you agree with what I said? Consider the case in isolation, before I commented on it.


yeah I agree that I'm town. i dont really understand the question

Nono, I'm asking whether OTW's case on you makes any logical sense to you. Assume for a second that you are a third party observer and you are reading this post as if you didn't know your own alignment. Do my points make sense to you when you do that?

Personally, I was completely lost when reading that case and I felt I had to address it for its poor structure and reasoning. If you would have felt the same way as a third-party observer, then your vote on me makes no sense to me.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22320 Posts
April 17 2014 01:29 GMT
#660
On April 17 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real.


He's saying he has no scumreads, do you mean that?

On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.

Quick couple of things

Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.

I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)

My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.

Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.

Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.

Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.

To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.

The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game
.


He thought at some point, that your actions make you scummy. Now I ask you, how do you think the mafia would react if a guy they previously called out is opposed to their lynch?

Would they still call him scum?
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