EPTI hope this doesn't escalate into a civil war.
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
I hope this doesn't escalate into a civil war. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Such things happens only in center and eastern Ukraine, west and south is okay and civil completely. Well after governmental buildings got captured in Lviv today an armoured vehicle was used to destroy the barricades there. p.s. ok it wasn't assaulting anything actually, it was trying to break the barricades errected not to let the governmental forces to move towards Kyiv. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:46 Cheerio wrote: Well after governmental buildings got captured in Lviv today an armoured vehicle was used to destroy the barricades there. p.s. ok it wasn't assaulting anything actually, it was trying to break the barricades errected not to let the governmental forces to move towards Kyiv. My bad, I missed east with west :D West and center is on fire, with Mordor in Kiev, east and south is fine and quite. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5078 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:28 Liman wrote: It is sad to see one more country and its people manipulated by western states and Russia to fight among themselves. I hope this doesn't escalate into a civil war. neither russia nor the western states manipulated this it's bad for both sides' interests in the country really this whole manipulated conflict conspiracy theory infantilizes people the reason what is happening in ukraine is happening is because both sides want an outcome that precludes what the other side wants and whoever wins wins for a while and so neither side will back down. this is about different ukrainians wanting different things and being willing to fight each other about it. if russia and the western states are manipulating ukrainians into wanting to side with them then it'd be just as reasonable to say ukrainians manipulated them into wanting ukrainians to take a side. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote: neither russia nor the western states manipulated this it's bad for both sides' interests in the country really this whole manipulated conflict conspiracy theory infantilizes people the reason what is happening in ukraine is happening is because both sides want an outcome that precludes what the other side wants and whoever wins wins for a while and so neither side will back down. this is about different ukrainians wanting different things and being willing to fight each other about it. if russia and the western states are manipulating ukrainians into wanting to side with them then it'd be just as reasonable to say ukrainians manipulated them into wanting ukrainians to take a side. Sure call it conspiracy theory,but first you should study some history and then make conclusion. Here are couple of hints : Vietnam,Korea,Yugoslavia,middle east (all of it),Cuba (missile crisis),China (after ww2),etc,etc. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:08 boxerfred wrote: There's actually a live stream of the police trying to conquer Maidan.. http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-regierung-beginnt-mit-raeumung-des-maidan-a-954306.html (no sound except demonstration sounds). Strange feeling that this is happening not too far away (like 20hrs by car) Moreover, it happens only in the very center of Kiev. A very localized conflict. Same things happening even closer to you, f.e. Lviv, but it is also very localized to governmental buildings with lesser numbers of ppl. So basicly everything around the square is living, not with very normal life but ppl are not dying, it happens only at "Maidan". BTW since now airports in Kiev are closed and u cannot leave/enter the city by any ways. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:28 Liman wrote: It is sad to see one more country and its people manipulated by western states and Russia to fight among themselves. I hope this doesn't escalate into a civil war. Are you serious? And are you the same poster who basically posted baseless assumptions about how evil the EU is as facts a few pages ago? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:57 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: My bad, I missed east with west :D West and center is on fire, with Mordor in Kiev, east and south is fine and quite. Why do people supporting Yanukovich mix up East and West all the time?.. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:03 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I just hope that all this trash won't result a finansional crisis :/ Get real. There is a huge financial crisis already. We have not defaulted only because Russia is loaning Yanukovich lots of cash. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I recommend bringing in outside help where possible. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:46 Cheerio wrote: Well after governmental buildings got captured in Lviv today an armoured vehicle was used to destroy the barricades there. p.s. ok it wasn't assaulting anything actually, it was trying to break the barricades errected not to let the governmental forces to move towards Kyiv. update: the military base, from which the armored vehicle (or a few of them) was trying to leave for Kyiv, has been overtaken. An agreement has been reached that the soldiers would leave the base unarmed and the arsenals would be sealed. The event has been incredibly unorganized. While some of the protesting people were trying to extinguish the fire in one of the barracks some others kept throwing molotovs at it. | ||
disciple
9069 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5078 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:08 Liman wrote: Sure call it conspiracy theory,but first you should study some history and then make conclusion. Here are couple of hints : Vietnam,Korea,Yugoslavia,middle east (all of it),Cuba (missile crisis),China (after ww2),etc,etc. I guarantee I know far more history than you about every country you list save Yugoslavia. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 19 2014 10:14 disciple wrote: The news and images from Ukraine hurt me deeply. What infuriates me even more is the completely pointless and utterly perverse celebration of vanity going on in neighbouring Russia. By that I mean the Olympics. Both are the extremes of the same social abomination. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Ukraine. It's the Olympics, every country wants to show themselves off as much as they can when it's being held within their borders. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I don't know if this has been posted, maybe it's common by now but my God this thing is crazy. For a second I shivered, it was such an eerie display. I believe they were singing the Ukrainian national anthem. It's 7AM over there atm, you can hear birds singing. There's a long line of fire which seems to separate the people from the police, molotov cocktails being tossed across it onto the water truck which had to retreat. There explosions going off and some fireworks. People are just overlooking the scene calmly as the smoke thickens above Kiev. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
On February 19 2014 14:07 Djzapz wrote: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromaydan-falcon/pop-out I don't know if this has been posted, maybe it's common by now but my God this thing is crazy. For a second I shivered, it was such an eerie display. I believe they were singing the Ukrainian national anthem. It's 7AM over there atm, you can hear birds singing. There's a long line of fire which seems to separate the people from the police, molotov cocktails being tossed across it onto the water truck which had to retreat. There explosions going off and some fireworks. People are just overlooking the scene calmly as the smoke thickens above Kiev. nm its back now. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
![[image loading]](http://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2014/02/19/10/20140219102715534/pic_92e60f60f323d43b1dfd0c5aacaf350f.jpg) On February 19 2014 10:14 disciple wrote: The news and images from Ukraine hurt me deeply. What infuriates me even more is the completely pointless and utterly perverse celebration of vanity going on in neighbouring Russia. By that I mean the Olympics. Both are the extremes of the same social abomination. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Ukraine. so what do you propose? cancel olympics? | ||
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