[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia - Page 31

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 05 2014 19:11 GMT

#601

Hey suki,

Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth.

Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

February 05 2014 19:12 GMT

#602

Just finished eating. + Show Spoiler +

My vote is also on the right place so life is good.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 05 2014 19:13 GMT

#603

So fucking belgian.

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:13 GMT

#604

Here's two things to look at regarding Cakeman. In this game people were suspicious of Cakeman on d1 for the same reasons hopeless pointed out in his case. Cakeman was town, was not lynched and end gamed the scum. The qt should give you some insight into cakeman's thinking.

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gA5BjwKEXfQn

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom

Onto hopeless v cakeman.
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On February 06 2014 01:19 LoneMeow wrote:

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If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:

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On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.

I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.

I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.

On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.

Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.

He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why

On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.

The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.

In bed atm sleeping.

Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.

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It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."

LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself.

From the linked game.

On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.

I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.

On November 01 2013 05:30 cakemanofdoom wrote:
At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched.

July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time.

He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind.

jaybrundage

United States3921 Posts

February 05 2014 19:14 GMT

#605

On February 06 2014 04:11 Hopeless1der wrote:

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but not if I'm scum

/waiting on Jonny's next post.

I would prefer not

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:16 GMT

#606

btw ##unvote

##vote jaybrundage

Forgot my vote was on Koshi.

Gonna update vote count.

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 05 2014 19:17 GMT

#607

On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.

His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy?
That doesn't make sense at all.

You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?

On February 06 2014 01:53 Koshi wrote:

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tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier.

This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really?

##Vote: Koshi

cakemanofdoom

336 Posts

February 05 2014 19:18 GMT

#608

Hopeless's case on me seems pretty well thought out... Feels like he's trying to find scum, not just trying to kill off a random townie

Don't know what to think of his case on oats. I feel like I can understand most of oats's thought process. But oats has done some kinda weird things.

Overall the effort makes me unwilling to lynch him.

LM: I thought his questions were pretty good ones to ask. And he has pretty reasonable-seeming opinions on lynch targets now.

Koshi: He had a policy that he didn't follow up on, he had a big case on Jonny that he didn't stand by. So what's left?
-Casually calling Hopeless the best lynch, following thread sentiment. Then backing off after hopeless posted.
-Voting LM.

I don't see the problem with posting his thoughts on people he's watching/thinks might be lynched, it lets us know where he's at.
Also, the question makes sense from the perspective of town trying to figure stuff out. It's reasonable to wonder why jay picked one lurky player over another. It's not like LM could have defended his own lurkiness there, anyways.

I think Koshi's just trying to make up reasons to sound original as he votes a fairly easy target.

So overall, I see nothing from Koshi except a poorly-reasoned vote on LM, a lot of short posts that I didn't get anything out of, and a policy/case that he retracted.

##Unvote
##Vote Koshi

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 05 2014 19:18 GMT

#609

On February 06 2014 04:13 JonnyLaw wrote:
Here's two things to look at regarding Cakeman. In this game people were suspicious of Cakeman on d1 for the same reasons hopeless pointed out in his case. Cakeman was town, was not lynched and end gamed the scum. The qt should give you some insight into cakeman's thinking.

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gA5BjwKEXfQn

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom

Onto hopeless v cakeman.
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On February 06 2014 01:19 LoneMeow wrote:

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If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:

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It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."

LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself.

From the linked game.

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He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind.

Show me?

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 05 2014 19:18 GMT

#610

Agreed with Jonny. I played in that game as well and saw the same thing when I read that game. I thought he's doing a tiny bit MORE waffling here, but there's nothing overly different from this game to that game like I said earlier in response to suki.

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:18 GMT

#611

oh i read that wrong koshi was voting me.

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 05 2014 19:19 GMT

#612

On February 06 2014 04:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
btw ##unvote

##vote jaybrundage

Forgot my vote was on Koshi.

Gonna update vote count.

Can you give some updated thoughts about jaybrundage? And Hopeless1der.

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:23 GMT

#613

On February 05 2014 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom
Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, ~~suki~~, ~~Balla24~~, ~~Alakaslam~~
JonnyLaw (1): Koshi
jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw
Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage
Koshi (0): ~~Oatsmaster~~
LoneMeow (0): ~~Balla24~~, ~~jaybrundage~~

Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow
If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched.

Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 2:59pm MST (GMT-07:00)
Hopeless1der (2): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom, koshi, jayb
Oatsmaster (2): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw (0): Koshi
jaybrundage (2): JonnyLaw, alakaslam
Koshi (2): Oatsmastercakeman, lonemeow
LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage
cakemanofdoom (3): suki, hopeless, oats
lonemeow(1): koshi

Looks like cake's set to be lynched. Please change this.

Correct me if that's wrong. I went quickly.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 05 2014 19:24 GMT

#614

@Jaybrundage

What's your opinion of Koshi now?

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 05 2014 19:25 GMT

#615

Jonny is the latest "foot in mouth" candidate. I dont see any discussion of Jay between the two posts I cite Re:cakeman. (2nd last on page 23 and 12th on page 24)

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:25 GMT

#616

I'm in the same spot as yesterday regarding Jay.

There are two ways I see to look at hopeless.

1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.

2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.

The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day.

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

February 05 2014 19:26 GMT

#617

On February 06 2014 04:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm in the same spot as yesterday regarding Jay.

There are two ways I see to look at hopeless.

1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.

2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.

The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day.

You're right. I thought his first post was earlier.

brb gonna read hd filter.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 05 2014 19:27 GMT

#618

3) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find scum and lynch them

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 05 2014 19:29 GMT

#619

cakemanofdoom, what do you make of the others who have argued to lynch you? Are they scum or town for it?

jaybrundage