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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Balla24
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Balla24
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On February 05 2014 14:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through. I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference. @Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that? On February 06 2014 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm still thinking you Oats...Koshi gets upset and says you should be reading him as town by now, so you proceed to read him as town. Seems legit. I'm willing to lynch cakeman, wont lynch LoneMeow*. *Unless I have to in order to save myself Then this. Could you elaborate on 1) Why you think he's town 2) Why you would lynch him to save yourself if you think he's town? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 06 2014 02:39 Balla24 wrote: Hopeless can you elaborate on why you would only vote LoneMeow to save yourself? He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy". The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII. Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On February 06 2014 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: cakemanofdoom Why are you voting the same player as your scum read Oatsmaster? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:05 LoneMeow wrote: Why are you voting the same player as your scum read Oatsmaster? Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other. How strong are your scum reads on them compared to each other? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:03 Hopeless1der wrote: He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy". The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII. Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question. No it's not a silly question. If you get lynched it's your own damn fault, you don't lynch someone you think is town because of it, you push someone you think is scummy and try to convince that way. I can show you multiple places where he is beating around the bush: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? (Here he could have just said what he thought from the get go, and then he still doesn't say his conclusion afterwards) On February 05 2014 01:10 LoneMeow wrote: Hopeless1der has not produced anything that I find directly useful for deducing his alignment. Which, in itself, could become alignment indicative. cakemanofdoom seems to post pretty freely which makes me lean town on him, but I found this weird: Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell? Whereas you said he is not doing that. He still hasn't placed his vote. Took him ages to actually post a scum read. That's beating around the bush to me. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Hopeless If you get lynched today what would your prediction for a scum team be? Can we get a vote count? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
First impressions so far: Hopeless has quite a few more posts and it seems more substantial now. Still doesn't seem like LM has done much. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling. @Jay Oats/Cakeman/??? Sidesprang for the lulz comparison to HF->Toad I guess. I dont really have third candidate. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do? I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling. [ I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:30 Balla24 wrote: I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game. In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell. That's not an OMGUS at all LM. I don't really want to lynch Koshi though. What does it say about cakeman that koshi isn't participating? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:30 Balla24 wrote: I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game. I would argue that the correct play is still to save yourself, because the only one whose alignment you know for certain is you. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
My vote on Hopeless: I wanted to get a vote down before I slept. I do find Koshi scummy, but Hopeless was pretty scummy just for being gone for the first half of the day and barely having anything when he came back. The reasons are pretty similar tbh, I just voted hopeless since I figured I could change it now-ish if he seems townier. Now I gotta read more carefully and decide who I want to lynch today... | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:35 Hopeless1der wrote: That's not an OMGUS at all LM. I don't really want to lynch Koshi though. What does it say about cakeman that koshi isn't participating? Not necessarily anything, scum-Koshi could be distancing from potential mislynch. Or he could be avoiding being connected to a scum buddy. I think it says far more about Koshi himself. | ||
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suki
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