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@LoneMeow
You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".
Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.
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On February 06 2014 01:05 LoneMeow wrote:
jaybrundage, when you're around please explain why you decided to make your case on me instead of say Hopeless1der whose posting up to that point wasn't really any better?
I made my case on you because your posting at that point didn't show much analysis from you. You asked a lot of questiions and gave a town read here and there. But until your big post recently your didn't appear to have any suspicions of scum.
I didn't make a case on hopeless because he hadn't posted anything since his 2 posts. Being in the thread and not making any significant contributions is different then being afk for a long period of time. When I saw that he was actively lurking however and not posted any content I placed a vote on him because that is unacceptable.
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##unvote
##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
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On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote:
Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town. + Show Spoiler [@balla] +
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On February 06 2014 01:18 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing.
Sorry, what? If it was mainly a pressure vote why do you spend the entire first part of the game repeating that Koshi is scum?
because it was pressurreee.
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lol Oats. ok.
Thoughts on cakeman?
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On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:KoshiThe case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote:
And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote:
I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum
What was the point of this question if you agreed with me:
On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff.
"Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
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On February 06 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
@LoneMeow
You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".
Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.
I can see that, but town also does not want to lynch town so when uncertain some of us tend to err on the side of caution, especially when talking about relatively active players.
Again, I don't see him saying "jay is mafia" but rather that he's becoming suspicious of jay so it isn't quite as contradictory as you think.
I shall go and reread his filter in light of this case, though.
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Oats is being really blase about my case. I'll try this again:
Koshi super scum for opening post:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
Koshi super scum for everything after opening post:
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Koshi totes town for opening post (This is more of an inferred read based on his response at the end of suki's case):
On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote:##unvote Koshi
##Vote hopelessI never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one.  I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
I don't see the progression anywhere in his filter. Oats' reasoning comes down to
On February 05 2014 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
slam is town because scum dont refer to their scumplay when playing scum unless they are playing way way differently.
In reference to this post from Koshi (second quote in this post):
On February 06 2014 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum  because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case. oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing. Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
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I think cake is a new town rather than being scum
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@LoneMeow
Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?
I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.
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On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote:
##unvote
##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
I was suspicious of Cake man of doom. Originally he was my first suspect for scum. But when I was trying to write a case on him. I felt that he was a townie trying to figure things out as opposed to a scum. I think that his reads were flexible and changing is a good thing. As townies who can see new things and change reads are more likely to be the ones trying to figure out the game.
This post here is one that I didn't like tho. The lack of caring just set off alarms. A lynch should be something that is thought on and alot of consideration should go into it. Just dropping his vote, Not trying to figure out the alignment of the person he is voting is pretty scummy. And stands in pretty stark contrast to most other parts of his filter.
What do you think Suki?
On February 05 2014 16:58 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Meh. Maybe, I guess.
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi.
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On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:KoshiThe case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote:
And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote:
I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum What was the point of this question if you agreed with me: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote:On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context. It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff. "Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
It's also useful to see if you actually had something to point out or were just claiming that without any basis.
On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all.
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Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.
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@Jay and Oats
I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play.
The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play.
@Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game?
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On February 06 2014 01:39 suki wrote:
@LoneMeow
Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?
I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.
Hopeless1def looks better, Oatsmaster worse. I still find it hard to vote Oatsmaster over Hopeless1der though just because of the difference in activity/content.
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On February 06 2014 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote:
Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game? you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII? Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town. + Show Spoiler [@balla] +
LXIII, when rayn was pushing LM for forgettign the Night Kill.
Ok. My Jonny tunnel was ridiculous. I even misread that I think... Let's forget everything I ever said about Jonny.
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On February 06 2014 01:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Oats is being really blase about my case. I'll try this again: Koshi super scum for opening post: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. Koshi super scum for everything after opening post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Koshi totes town for opening post (This is more of an inferred read based on his response at the end of suki's case): Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote:##unvote Koshi
##Vote hopelessI never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play. I don't see the progression anywhere in his filter. Oats' reasoning comes down to Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
slam is town because scum dont refer to their scumplay when playing scum unless they are playing way way differently. In reference to this post from Koshi (second quote in this post): Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 06 2014 01:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case. oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing. On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
it was a pressure vote
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On February 06 2014 01:46 Balla24 wrote:
Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.
Well to be honest, your brb-post did not really imply to me that you were going to make a followup so I wanted to ensure you would when you returned.
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Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
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