Setup 11 Players: 48/23+1 hour cycle, deadline: Game starts at Tuesday, Feb 04 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The setup is semi-open: There are up to three blue roles for Town. The possible roles are: Parity Cop: You may check one person each night. Night one you will receive nothing, from night two you will receive DIFFERENT or SAME. This indicates if the alignment between the two you checked is the same, or different. A DIFFERENT on a night 3 check means that your night 2 and night 3 checks have different alignments. Doctor: You may heal any one person at night. You may not heal yourself. Players are not informed of saves. Vigilante: Once per game, you may shoot someone at night. If you are roleblocked, your shot will be refunded.
Mafia will receive up to two of these roles: Roleblocker: You may roleblock one person each night. That player will be notified of the roleblock. Godfather: You return as town to a parity cop.
Signups I might still need replacements. You may /in if you believe that the coaching could aid you. Preference will go to players who have read the original Shadow Mini Mafia game.
On February 02 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Why isn't it the same setup :o!
Because the skill discrepancy makes it more difficult to hunt for scum. A high level game always makes it easier on town compared to a lower level game, thus town needs a bit of help.
On February 02 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Why isn't it the same setup :o!
Because the skill discrepancy makes it more difficult to hunt for scum. A high level game always makes it easier on town compared to a lower level game, thus town needs a bit of help.
On February 02 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Why isn't it the same setup :o!
Because the skill discrepancy makes it more difficult to hunt for scum. A high level game always makes it easier on town compared to a lower level game, thus town needs a bit of help.
On February 02 2014 09:06 Promethelax wrote: /replace
You're coaching, silly.
I thought we just watched and told them that they sucked post game? Isn't that how goes?
That was the original intention, but after the lacklustre usage of the coaches by some players I decided it'd be better to just have them be coached during their game as well for maximum benefit.
On February 02 2014 09:06 Promethelax wrote: /replace
You're coaching, silly.
I thought we just watched and told them that they sucked post game? Isn't that how goes?
That was the original intention, but after the lacklustre usage of the coaches by some players I decided it'd be better to just have them be coached during their game as well for maximum benefit.
The weirdest part of this game, is that we all already know our alignment. So unlike most pregame talk, we could use this time to try to read each other. I like it but I don't want to have an unfair advantage sooooooo. Yea. I am torn. Maybe have a imposed silence till the game starts. But then that takes out all the fun... of the pregame chat.
I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Well, I would have certainly liked to have a Doctor in our last game (*wink* I would have liked to live past N2 *wink* )
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
yeah but we mobbed the floor with them after giving them a freebie. Have to adjust just a little more.
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
If that's how you view blues, then you're doing it wrong
On February 03 2014 09:20 gonzaw wrote: But marv. Now when a townie gets mislynched, his name can also flip a nice blue color, as well as the previous green one.
Doesn't that completely change the game and how you play it? It sure does for me. I like colors.
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
You coached me like two months ago and we had what 6 posts in our qt?
Coaching not that great most times.
town needs help.
Stop bitching just cuz you all lost and we gonna win.
Yes but I apologized for that, I was insanely busy and dropped the ball on you, and it wasn't cool. Coaching is actually really really helpful if people take advantage of it most of the time.
On February 02 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
If that's how you view blues, then you're doing it wrong
On February 02 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 02 2014 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I find it very odd that the setup is being changed like this---it's almost an unfair assumption of the skill levels of the players involved here. Can we be certain that the town in this game will be as terrible as we were?
Not only that. Blue roles aren't just a little boost for town - this will be a totally different game because of them. Not comparable in the slightest.
Blue roles are really, really overrated.
You both misunderstood me. What I am saying is not that town has a big advantage because of the blue roles but that it changes the game completely. Checks/saves and claims make this a totally different game than the one you just played. Are you really disagreeing with this? Scum can't just shoot whoever they want without risk and even the best scum player can be lynched if he is checked for example. The games won't be comparable.
It won't be comparison in compared to blues but the fundamentals will be the same.
Anyways Jonny nice to see ya. If I write a case about you being scum this game can you be a little nicer and not flame me for being a horrible player :| I mean, I know I'm a horrible player but I gots feelings >_<
On February 03 2014 12:35 suki wrote: It won't be comparison in compared to blues but the fundamentals will be the same.
Anyways Jonny nice to see ya. If I write a case about you being scum this game can you be a little nicer and not flame me for being a horrible player :| I mean, I know I'm a horrible player but I gots feelings >_<
Oatsmaster has replaced Derrida. We will begin today at the deadline specified in the OP. Please bring out your vote regarding which deadline you prefer.
For setup reasons I'm delaying the game start by one day. Sorry to disappoint. Just want to make sure the setup is properly balanced before we begin. If you have received a blue role, it may be rerolled. My apologies.
The game will start on Tuesday, with whichever deadline has a majority at that time.
Fuck it, I've had enough time to bounce ideas. Game will start as planned. Blue rerolls will be sent out, and the game will begin afterwards at 21:59 GMT (+00:00).
I'm getting a habit of posting music I like for dayposts. Not sure if it's a good or a bad thing.
Flavour later. It is now day 1! You have until Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to decide on a lynch. The format is plurality lynch. You are not allowed to guess or hint at the coaches players have. This is strictly forbidden for gamebreaking reasons. Other than that, game on.
1) Everybody be extremely nice to each other. Only scummers are meanies. 2) Everybody make 40 posts a day. That's 2 pages filter a day. You are actually allowed to just count to 40. If you don't post 40 times in a day we lynch you.
More worried about people not posting at all. I haven't played with a lot of people in here, or just 1 game, but I know how hard a bit more newbie games are if people don't post.
It's a great policy and it forces people to play the game. Even one liners can help town to follow your thoughtprocess and to screen on awkwardness.
It's also a policy that will work wonders on Day 3 and so on. When we are all tunneled.
2pgs isn't ambitious at all. I don't see anybody on the playerlist who I can see missing this mark anyways. Maybe sidesprang, but we'll see. Everyone else I know for a fact is capable.
So anyways. I'll just start this off with a few things:
1. I'm a girl, please refer to me as she, her etc.
In regards to Koshi's starter:
2. Let's be nice. I don't mind saying things are stupid or retarded or whatever, but let's lay off the personal attacks.
3. Koshi you're advocating policy lynching people who don't hit 40 posts a day? That's nice, however I don't policy lynch unless there's no better option for lynching scum.
When lurking's allowed it's the easiest option for scummers. You can end up lynching a townie who you read as scum while scummers laugh in the background.
Heh, it's funny cause I much prefer the Slam that showed up in NMM1 compared to Slam that shows up to other games. Even with his small filter/lurkiness from NMM1.
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
On February 04 2014 07:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Half the game won't meet those requirements. Being nice is too hard. People are lazy.
Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious.
Who isn't going to meet those requirements?
You've played with me before...
What are you trying to say? You don't want the requirement cause you know you can't meet it? Or Koshi is supposed to know you already will disagree with his plan?
On February 04 2014 07:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Half the game won't meet those requirements. Being nice is too hard. People are lazy.
Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious.
Who isn't going to meet those requirements?
You've played with me before...
What are you trying to say? You don't want the requirement cause you know you can't meet it? Or Koshi is supposed to know you already will disagree with his plan?
##vote LoneMeow
Trying to say he should already know how likely it is that I'll reach that requirement. (In case you haven't followed any games I've been in: Extremely unlikely.)
And that has very little to do with whether I agree or disagree with his plan.
40 posts is an arbitrary number that doesn't mean anything.
It worked okay as a conversation starter but on Wednesday are you going to be sitting around counting people's posts since the game started?
I'm not. I assume people are going to play the game. If they don't we'll fucking lynch them. It's that simple. I want help catching scum. I don't want people shitting up the thread with nonsense.
And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
On February 04 2014 08:45 suki wrote: Apparently. also you have to take on a 'spam 40 posts a cycle' meta.
How does this make you feel?
motivated. And its not like there is anything from stopping me from literally posting
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if I were actually scared koshi (or anyone else) would follow through with it.
Is there anyone who is legitimately advocating for letting people lurk? I understand that its largely inevitable (hell, im one of the poster children) but we should still be making a reasonable effort to pressure people and get thoughts when they are around.
Wassup guys. Koshi's baseline is post often. That simple. I prefer we don't get spammy and post mass one liners (As I tend to do sometime giving my current thoughts) But try to know what you are saying when you post as well. Have a clear intention.
We DO need to have pressure to make people who usually lurk (whether they be town or scum) post more often. So I like the guideline in general. So lets try to aim for 40 as a benchmark why not.
Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
if I were actually scared koshi (or anyone else) would follow through with it.
Is there anyone who is legitimately advocating for letting people lurk? I understand that its largely inevitable (hell, im one of the poster children) but we should still be making a reasonable effort to pressure people and get thoughts when they are around.
What are you trying to accomplish with this post? I disagree that its inevitable. If we as a town are all posting well and making concise thoughts then we could just find lurking scum on the wayside. It almost seems like your advocating to let people lurk. I don't even know why your bringing up you making numbered post. Of course that isn't acceptable do you even have to ask it?
Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline".
How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible.
How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now?
On February 04 2014 09:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Jay, let me slippery slope this argument.
Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline".
How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible.
How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now?
Why use a logical fallacy. 40 posts is a decent benchmark to strive to hit. I said we should try to hit it but not spam. There is obviously a middle ground. Implying that we should vote simply on the basis of posts was not the intention.
And no this isn't real life your playing a forum game called mafia
Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
Nope. Just played LXIV which is ongoing, Normal Mini Episode 1, and the last 4 newbie games. Just search my post history for this forum and you'll find them. I'm not in the database yet.
On February 04 2014 09:27 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla's played a few games Jay. Did his vote on LM then leaving strike you oddly?
This isn't even worth discussing anymore. No one's being lynched for having 39 quality pro-town posts. It's a fine benchmark.
I liked his vote on LM. I noticed earlier when i was going thru some players in the mafia database that his name wasn't anywhere. And his opening seemed like he wasn't new.
Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
Nope. Just played LXIV which is ongoing, Normal Mini Episode 1, and the last 4 newbie games. Just search my post history for this forum and you'll find them. I'm not in the database yet.
Yes. LXIV which is ongoing. NMM1 and my first 2 newbie games. You can just go to my profile, click my post count and then select TL Mafia Forum to find them.
Balla's been scum in 3 outta 4 games we played. I'm forcing myself not to call him scum out of habit. Jay you've made me think I should put my games in my profile as well. Hmm...I'll do that now actually.
I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh?
Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Wait Jonny, so first you're like "And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started."
On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
and now you're like I like Balla's reasoning for voting LoneMeow, "He comes in and justifies lurking."
So do you think LoneMeow is being reasonable, or do you think he's making excuses?
On February 04 2014 09:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla's been scum in 3 outta 4 games we played. I'm forcing myself not to call him scum out of habit. Jay you've made me think I should put my games in my profile as well. Hmm...I'll do that now actually.
I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh?
I still agree with his second post.
2/3 no?
But yeah. I'd prefer he laid out what he's thinking unless he has a specific reason for doing so. His other posts are meh.. making an excuse for himself not posting already cause that's what he does, in his third post. His second post is something that everybody will agree with, town and scum so sure it's sensible but not really that interesting.
I much prefer hopeless' way of thinking about it. Becoming motivated because there is an imposed limit rather than making an excuse to not meet a standard.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Suki I instinctively hated the vote. Everyone was discussing that policy which i think is silly and LM's post didn't stand out to me.
I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
I was town in L, we've only played those 3 games together.
On February 04 2014 09:56 suki wrote: Wait Jonny, so first you're like "And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started."
On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
and now you're like I like Balla's reasoning for voting LoneMeow, "He comes in and justifies lurking."
So do you think LoneMeow is being reasonable, or do you think he's making excuses?
What's wrong with changing your mind after reading someone's reasoning? Why is that scummy?
On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Scum tells are much harder to change then it would appear. It isn't easy for balla to change his scum play on the dime so it isn't like its helping balla if he rolled scum this game. I would like to know for a point of reference for my self and for the thread so they can know what to look out for.
By talking with jonny even about basic stuff like this it can help me get a read on him as well. Day 1 is all about generating discussion. I'm sure if I hadn't asked this question and Balla had a similar game to his scum games and Jonny noticed this he would of made a case using his knowledge. So I can only think of good reasons to ask.
3. Koshi you're advocating policy lynching people who don't hit 40 posts a day? That's nice, however I don't policy lynch unless there's no better option for lynching scum.
What did you mean "that's nice"? Why didn't you give thoughts on the policy instead of just making a generic statement against policy lynches?
Balla, I didn't state and I don't think that he changed his mind, I just thought it was interesting that JonnyLaw both saw LoneMeow to be reasonable stating that content was more important than quantity, while also seeing LoneMeow as giving excuses for lurking.
Why does what I say mean I think Jonny is scummy Balla? I made no such inference in my post.
I personally don't see anything wrong with LoneMeow's posts.
What do you mean he didn't change his mind? He clearly did. "What the fuck is that vote?" to "I actually like your reasoning" seems like a change of mind to me.
How do you not see what Jonny sees. In his first and last post he is making excuses for a low post count based on the way he plays in other games, in his second post he says something reasonable about the policy discussion. Why is that interesting?
LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
Suki always thinks what I say is scummy. null read. no towniest read. scummiest read - koshi lynch the lurkers post as much as needed to get scum lynched.
On February 04 2014 11:39 JonnyLaw wrote: I want to play answer the questions too.
Suki always thinks what I say is scummy. null read. no towniest read. scummiest read - koshi lynch the lurkers post as much as needed to get scum lynched.
Suki claimed that she didn't say you were scummy tho.
On February 04 2014 10:54 Balla24 wrote: What do you mean he didn't change his mind? He clearly did. "What the fuck is that vote?" to "I actually like your reasoning" seems like a change of mind to me.
How do you not see what Jonny sees. In his first and last post he is making excuses for a low post count based on the way he plays in other games, in his second post he says something reasonable about the policy discussion. Why is that interesting?
They are not contradictory.
Yes, he changed his mind with respect to his opinion of your vote. I was thinking that you were saying he was changing his mind between the two comments that Lonemeow had brought up (saying that he liked LoneMeow's reasoning, contrasted with saying LoneMeow is giving excuses for lurking). Like you said, they are not contradictory, hence there was no change of mind with respect to his opinion of LoneMeow.
And honestly I just wanted to poke Jonny and see what he said.
On February 04 2014 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Just because I'm pressuring someone (to see if they're mafia) doesn't mean I think they're scum or that I'm accusing them of scum. I don't see any contradiction.
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Maybe if you answered me differently I would think you were scummy, but as it stands I think you're being reasonable so I am not getting scum vibes off of you at this moment.
I'm not really sure what we'd be discussing right now if Koshi hadn't made his opening post. Though now seems like a good time for him to come back and add any new thoughts he might have.
Still don't get the point of suki's first post. It seems to lack anything about Koshi's specific policy, which imo is the most relevant thing she could have talked about.
On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
This post? It's half questions to sidesprang, which I like. Topics seem relevant enough, and I also want sidesprang to continue posting. I agree that the beginning is way more wordy than it needs to be, but I don't think the post as a whole is useless. Unless there's no response to it, but that's on sidesprang (come back please!)
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
He's writing a lot of words that basically say 'Sidesprang I want you to post something'. + Show Spoiler +
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
What's the point of these questions? Especially the last paragraph of questions.
This post feels like a lot of fluff and not much substance.
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
He's writing a lot of words that basically say 'Sidesprang I want you to post something'. + Show Spoiler +
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
What's the point of these questions? Especially the last paragraph of questions.
This post feels like a lot of fluff and not much substance.
The point of the questions is to have sidesprang answer them ^^
On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote: I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing.
How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself?
There's definitely some truth to that. I'd apply this to cakeman too.
@cakeman Questions are nice and all but we have to read you too so please give your opinion. You asked me about LoneMeow but didn't say anything yourself.
On February 04 2014 12:05 JonnyLaw wrote: I'd say it could feel like bussing scum buddy.
This is interesting. So why does it feel more like bussing a scum buddie (implying im scum) As opposed to trying to get a lurker to post.
I should properly preface this by saying that before the game as I was looking at some of the games from other players. I noticed sidesprang had a worrying about of posts in his town game. Perhaps like 2 - 3 posts a cycle and that was pushing it. I noted that and planned to put alot of pressure on him this game. I was considering trying to start a policy lynch on him with my first post to get conversation moving and put pressure.
But we had good thread conversation when i joined it. So i dismissed the idea and decided to approach him with this questioning. I want to see his reads.
And if he lurks like he does most other games we will have a problem so I don't want to let that happen. Here are his other games for refrence. I think the game where he posts the most is as mafia.
BloodyC0bblers Mafia XVI Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 sidesprang as the Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Filter TL Mafia XVIII Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 6 sidesprang as the Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 6 Filter TL Mafia XX Town Miller Survived sidesprang as the Town Miller Survived Filter Pick Your Power Mafia! Mafia Copycat Lynched Day 2 sidesprang as the Mafia Copycat Lynched Day 2 Filter
I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote: I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing.
How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself?
Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened.
1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that.
3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far
4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice
5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far
6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned
7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go?
8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho
9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow
10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm
11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared
On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
Firstly its Sidesprang, not sidesprung or whatever else ppl think it is.
I don't mind Balla voting for LM, because I think if he keeps on playing like this he will hopefully be easy to read. As for why he voted I dont really agree with. LM's stance on koshi's "plan" is kinda like mine. Judge people based on content not number of posts, and also only reason to lynch lurkers is if there are no better options available.
I liked your response, you had a reason for asking it and you had logic backing it up. Answer felt honest. Tho I do not agree with your logic. It's nice and all generating discussion, but I dont think going over ppl's meta this early is wise. As I think it would be harder to use meta against players if it's been discussed in thread first.
The whole suki / jonny deal requires more thought if I wanna read something out of it. Aka atm I don't really know, and I will read more up on that tomorrow when I got better time.
I got some people whom I feel are playing protown atm, but I see no reason sharing townreads at this point.
I don't have scumreads atm, tho I got a bit interested in Suki since she disliked your post. A post I liked cause you are doing what I think you should be doing with lurkers (get them to post, so you can read them, not lynch them blindly).
People should post enough to be readable and enough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number.
Eh jay you don't like my choice of topics? suki's first post talked about gender, niceness, and her feeling on policy lynches in general. But no detail on what she thought of Koshi's particular policy, which imo is the most important thing she could have talked about. Feels like she was trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that mattered.
Plus I liked the way discussion was going for the other things.
On February 04 2014 12:29 sidesprang wrote: People should post enough to be readable and enough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number.
So what im worried about is that as I have shown a good bit with my recent posts. Is that you aren't going to put enough posts in the thread that we can read you. Your games are testament to this. People have trouble reading you because of your lack of posting. If your scum you seem too put more effort into the game. (I can relate to this with my newer games as scum you have complete information and know what your doing, as newer town it sometimes just feels like your fumbling around in the dark)
So having all this in consideration. I would actually like you to set a post amount that you feel you should be able to reach with in a cycle. I am all about quality over quantity but we need a little bit of both. Set for your self a arbitrary number that you think is maybe a bit high but reasonable and try to reach that goal. Of course I want you to put thought and have a clear meaning in your post. I can not stress this enough. When you post something know what you want to accomplish with your post. I don't want you to spam. I just think you set the bar to low for your self in post count and I would like to improve this part of your town game.
On February 04 2014 12:41 cakemanofdoom wrote: Eh jay you don't like my choice of topics? suki's first post talked about gender, niceness, and her feeling on policy lynches in general. But no detail on what she thought of Koshi's particular policy, which imo is the most important thing she could have talked about. Feels like she was trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that mattered.
Plus I liked the way discussion was going for the other things.
I don't think Koshi's policy specifically was that important. We aren't going to arbitrary lynch someone who has under 40 posts. She gave her opinion on policy lynches. I felt like it was focusing on a detail that wasn't very important. There were quite a few other things in the thread that i thought were more noticeable or important.
Sidesprang those 2 games you posted still show what JB is saying though. You lurk a lot.
On February 04 2014 12:29 sidesprang wrote: People should post enough to be readable andenough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number.
This is the bare minimum for a townie to be readable, and really not all that acceptable. Not a good line of thought. Get your scumreads out and scumhunt.
On February 04 2014 12:45 suki wrote: @cakeman, you said you thought jay's post was okay. Is your impression of jay at this point more townie or scummy?
Suki I want to see more of your thinking on me. What do you think of the post I copy pasted over from my Spreadsheet. I talked a bit about you in it. What do you think about it.
I want to know what YOU think? Talk about me please :D Or anyone at all but i want to hear your opinion. I gave you my opinion on everyone in the game.
I think jay's townie. Some of his posts are way wordier than they need to be imo, but I like most of his reasoning, and that seems more important than whether or not he's posting fluff.
Your notes are basically the same thing I was thinking except on cakeman. He was bringing new information to the thread that nobody pointed out before. That's good, not bad.
3. Koshi you're advocating policy lynching people who don't hit 40 posts a day? That's nice, however I don't policy lynch unless there's no better option for lynching scum.
What did you mean "that's nice"? Why didn't you give thoughts on the policy instead of just making a generic statement against policy lynches?
Ah, I actually totally missed this post. I was wondering why you were continuing to hamper me on my 'lack of comment' on Koshi's 'policy lynch' discussion.
I don't policy lynch. Is that clear enough?
Also, I notice you haven't actually stated your thoughts on Koshi's policy, but instead are just asking people questions and saying how my opening post was "trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that mattered".
Can you please let me know who you think is scummy at the moment, or answer some of jay's list of questions which you thought were relevant enough topics? Because at the moment you seem to be trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that matters.
On February 04 2014 12:45 suki wrote: @cakeman, you said you thought jay's post was okay. Is your impression of jay at this point more townie or scummy?
Suki I want to see more of your thinking on me. What do you think of the post I copy pasted over from my Spreadsheet. I talked a bit about you in it. What do you think about it.
I want to know what YOU think? Talk about me please :D Or anyone at all but i want to hear your opinion. I gave you my opinion on everyone in the game.
I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that.
Your read on me is whatever. I'm pressuring you the most so the fact that you think I'm scummy is understandable I guess.
Anyways you're coming off to me as town for now. I don't have any solid reads on scum at the moment so I am just throwing out my line and seeing what I can reel back in.
I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that.
That's wrong IMO. I use meta like crazy to justify my otherwise inexplicable townreads early on when I'm scum. Meta is as much as a tool for mafia as it is for town.
On February 04 2014 12:53 Balla24 wrote: Your notes are basically the same thing I was thinking except on cakeman. He was bringing new information to the thread that nobody pointed out before. That's good, not bad.
Hi Balla~
Are you saying that cakeman is bringing new information to the thread because I don't see it. He's spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't like my opening post for not addressing Koshi's topic, when clearly I addressed it. Also, he didn't even contribute his own thoughts on the matter, even though Koshi's policy was the most "relevant thing" to talk about.
On February 04 2014 12:45 suki wrote: @cakeman, you said you thought jay's post was okay. Is your impression of jay at this point more townie or scummy?
Suki I want to see more of your thinking on me. What do you think of the post I copy pasted over from my Spreadsheet. I talked a bit about you in it. What do you think about it.
I want to know what YOU think? Talk about me please :D Or anyone at all but i want to hear your opinion. I gave you my opinion on everyone in the game.
I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that.
Your read on me is whatever. I'm pressuring you the most so the fact that you think I'm scummy is understandable I guess.
Anyways you're coming off to me as town for now. I don't have any solid reads on scum at the moment so I am just throwing out my line and seeing what I can reel back in.
The spread sheet was made before you started pressuring. Don't confuse my suspicion with an OMGUS. My thinking of why you were scummy when i wrote it was because of your waffleing with your poke at jonny. You made a poke at him. Asking him of his two "different" opinions. Then you said he didn't change his mind when it seemed obvious he did. And when balla poked at your post you said you never suspected jonny as scum. Which just seems way overly defensive. Why wouldn't you suspect everyone at this point until they prove them self as town. I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it.
I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that.
That's wrong IMO. I use meta like crazy to justify my otherwise inexplicable townreads early on when I'm scum. Meta is as much as a tool for mafia as it is for town.
The use of meta isn't what's townie to me. It's the fact that he went into this huge spiel about how sidesprang is probably going to lurk and have a low post count, in order to encourage sidesprang to post more. He didn't use the meta to provide a read. As scum I would have expected him to hold back and pop out that meta when it would be most effective to cause a mislynch or whatever.
And anyways jay's most recent posts also feel townie to me so in general I am getting a townie vibe from him.
On February 04 2014 13:03 jaybrundage wrote:I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it.
We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore.
On February 04 2014 12:53 Balla24 wrote: Your notes are basically the same thing I was thinking except on cakeman. He was bringing new information to the thread that nobody pointed out before. That's good, not bad.
Hi Balla~
Are you saying that cakeman is bringing new information to the thread because I don't see it. He's spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't like my opening post for not addressing Koshi's topic, when clearly I addressed it. Also, he didn't even contribute his own thoughts on the matter, even though Koshi's policy was the most "relevant thing" to talk about.
I'm saying I disagree with what JB said here:
On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:
4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice
I don't find what he chose to comment on lackluster because it was new information (or perhaps the better word is PoV). I don't really agree that it was CLEAR what you said, but whatever.
Not contributing his own thoughts is annoying, but I can't say its scummy. A lot had already been said about the subject. I don't fault him for not saying anything about it.
suki: Yeah, I don't have too strong scumreads yet. Hopeless, sidesprang, LoneMeow, Koshi, oats, alaskaslam all don't have many meaningful posts so I'm cautious of them. Can't really pick out mafia from them yet, though.
I thought your first post was rather scummy. I also didn't like how you said you just thought Jonny was interesting, not scummy; interesting should generally mean "possibly scum" anyways. Disagreed with you about jay. So overall, pretty scummy.
When I got on and started posting, it felt redundant to talk about Koshi's policy since I just agreed with general consensus that 40 posts was a bit arbitrary, but quality is more important than post count. So I didn't talk about it.
On February 04 2014 13:03 jaybrundage wrote:I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it.
We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore.
Well I think everyone posted a bit. The people who were against Koshi's plan are probably townie. The easier and more unreadable way to enter as mafia would just be to agree with him generically and leave it at that.
##unvote
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, jay probably town
[edit made by Balla to replace johnny -> jay since that's what he meant]
What was the point of this? No real justification. Jay wasn't really a huge controversial point or anything so it's not like you wanted to quickly get in your opinion before the thread derailed even further or he was lynched or something.
On February 04 2014 11:39 JonnyLaw wrote: I want to play answer the questions too.
Suki always thinks what I say is scummy. null read. no towniest read. scummiest read - koshi lynch the lurkers post as much as needed to get scum lynched.
Back when I was a massive spammer I was a huge SCUMTEAM asset -as either alignment.
On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall.
Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will
Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ?
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
This post? It's half questions to sidesprang, which I like. Topics seem relevant enough, and I also want sidesprang to continue posting. I agree that the beginning is way more wordy than it needs to be, but I don't think the post as a whole is useless. Unless there's no response to it, but that's on sidesprang (come back please!)
Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really.
Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on.
He's writing a lot of words that basically say 'Sidesprang I want you to post something'. + Show Spoiler +
What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts?
What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything?
Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?)
Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post?
What's the point of these questions? Especially the last paragraph of questions.
This post feels like a lot of fluff and not much substance.
The point of the questions is to have sidesprang answer them ^^
What do you think was my intention?
You survive and look townie by making a long ass posted says nothing
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote: I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing.
How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself?
Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened.
1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that.
3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far
4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice
5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far
6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned
7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go?
8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho
9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow
10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm
11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared
This is a list post dude
And yeah I hadn't said anything except lampshade in Koshy's ridiculous idea
You all don't seek the hidden meaning in anything I say so I guess I have to be super plane. Cochita expect 40 posts out of everyone is to ask for fluff, we don't need fluff especially when there's people in here that may be in more than one game(hi what's up) and the like or having real-life issues or who knows what. So it's just asking for fluffing and easy Miss Lynch. Meanwhile it seems I guess this is Jay Brundage you made these posts I don't know I can't see your usernames until you've been quoted. Anyway whoever it is is making this post about side spraying but talking about everything that's happened so far as if nobody else could read the thread but him. That's non-contribution I guess, wanting the scummy stuff out.
Freaking phone pointing pointing pointing pointing pointing pointing stuff out
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
Dude I just read that list post, you how your scum team? That's freaking hilarious everyone scum that could possibly be town four numbers and everyone and it could possibly be scum for number is town
Like this gum team is five times the size of town not vice versa
Because she calls it fluff and that's true so she is right
Are you telling me you learned anything from Nashville? No that spiel, talk text
So to get it straight you think what i posted had no purpose?
It did have purpose. Not a pro town purpose. If you are town you need to cut out anything that isn't patently obvious, that post it would've been a lot better if it only included those questions.
Finally got side springs reply. Don't bother how I spell your name dude because the phones just not going to have. That is so easy to fake is scum, all he does is give generic answers the questions. How is any of that alignment indicated? It's like we're all playing under the assumption that town somehow coordinates and scum does not it's the other way around you know
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid.
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid.
I made this connectio?n I wholeheartedly agree what is up with that I declare Koshi town nobody pressure him or mess with them or anything or whatever because I defended him real hard
Because she calls it fluff and that's true so she is right
Are you telling me you learned anything from Nashville? No that spiel, talk text
So to get it straight you think what i posted had no purpose?
It did have purpose. Not a pro town purpose. If you are town you need to cut out anything that isn't patently obvious, that post it would've been a lot better if it only included those questions.
Ok first off its hard to understand your meaning when your phone keeps putting random words and auto correct or what not. In a game of words please make sure yours are legible.
Second you won't be able to follow the game if you can't see usernames. You say your self that you can't see usernames till you quote. Therefore you can't follow the flow of the game who's asking what so on and so forth. I could go on but I wouldn't wanna post to much "fluff." So given that you don't even know who's saying what. How do you even think you can judge the game correctly?
I will type as much as i want for one big reason. Transparency I rather type more so people understand my meaning then type less and have my meaning or intent get skewed. I also tend to type less in my usually meta and make quick one liners. So to change that this game. I am trying to put more content in my post and always make sure I have a message.
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid.
I made this connectio?n I wholeheartedly agree what is up with that I declare Koshi town nobody pressure him or mess with them or anything or whatever because I defended him real hard
Dude I don't know what the fuck you are saying half the time you post. Please read what you post. Where did you defend Koshi?
On February 04 2014 15:08 Alakaslam wrote: Dude I just read that list post, you how your scum team? That's freaking hilarious everyone scum that could possibly be town four numbers and everyone and it could possibly be scum for number is town
Like this gum team is five times the size of town not vice versa
On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing.
Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why.
You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that?
Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_-
No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
Do you have anything to commentate on that happened during this day so far? What do you think of cakeman, Suki, and jonny
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC
Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer
I think the stuff about Koshi was an example to show that randomly defending someone with no justification doesn't help anyone.
I also really wanna know what alaskaslam's talking about with that second post about jay's list...
also, don't really understand
On February 04 2014 15:15 Alakaslam wrote: Finally got side springs reply. Don't bother how I spell your name dude because the phones just not going to have. That is so easy to fake is scum, all he does is give generic answers the questions. How is any of that alignment indicated? It's like we're all playing under the assumption that town somehow coordinates and scum does not it's the other way around you know
I don't think anyone really mentioned sidesprang after the response, so I'm not sure what this is getting at.
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
I just typed my policy without plan. and I was never actually believing that we would lynch based on a 40 post count policy. I just needed a number and 40 sounded nice.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
I give him a point in the scum collomn.
Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
I give him a point in the scum collomn.
Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.
He's generally very hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when town, though, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
I find it suspicious that he is angry about me "fucking off" then right in the next post says you're probably not posting because you're asleep - we both have country tags visible so he should've applied the same logic to figure out that I was probably also sleeping.
he is saying that you created the shit atmosphere and its scummy although yeah, i can see a disconnect cause he cant be calling both LM and Koshi scum without drawing some sort of association but thats what he is doing.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote: What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie.
Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all?
I was talking more about the initial vote than the unvote. I guess he wanted to go for Shock Effect and thought that time had passed. Or he was gauging for reactions from other players. I am cool with Balla.
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
I never said it was nonsense. It's a good policy but in the end I knew I wouldn't follow through with it anyway. And take away everything people said about my first post in the game and we would have a 6 page thread. So yeah, I am pretty happy with it.
Do you have a conclusion about what people said about your policy? Since you apparently did it to create discussion, you must have some kind of idea what you think about the people that commented on it either positively or negatively.
That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed.
On February 04 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote: I never said it was nonsense. It's a good policy but in the end I knew I wouldn't follow through with it anyway. And take away everything people said about my first post in the game and we would have a 6 page thread. So yeah, I am pretty happy with it.
You're making the same point I made.
You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Did the discussion about that post tell you where the scum are at in this game Koshi?
I don't think that discussion will ever point out scum. Why even go there when you don't want to follow through anyway? I'm trying to understand your motives here.
I'm heading to work very soon. Just checking the thread before I go.
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On Koshi creating "shitposting":
Policy discussion isn't shitposting, it forces people to take responsibility for what they say. If they don't follow through, then we can figure out what's up. I said I would easily be able to hit the benchmark, cool, if I dont reach anywhere close to that then WTF? These kind of things are good, not bad. Hopeless did a similar thing to me, saying he's motivated by it, but he bailed.
On February 04 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote: I never said it was nonsense. It's a good policy but in the end I knew I wouldn't follow through with it anyway. And take away everything people said about my first post in the game and we would have a 6 page thread. So yeah, I am pretty happy with it.
You're making the same point I made.
You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Did the discussion about that post tell you where the scum are at in this game Koshi?
I don't think that discussion will ever point out scum. Why even go there when you don't want to follow through anyway? I'm trying to understand your motives here.
If you're going to call one opening bad, then you should provide a counterpoint. You never did this. You seemed very eager to get past all the policy talk but never really provided any exit strategies until someone else moved in another direction.
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: Policy discussion isn't shitposting, it forces people to take responsibility for what they say. If they don't follow through, then we can figure out what's up. I said I would easily be able to hit the benchmark, cool, if I dont reach anywhere close to that then WTF? These kind of things are good, not bad. Hopeless did a similar thing to me, saying he's motivated by it, but he bailed.
Policy talk is a way to get the game started. I don't really see how it forces anyone to take responsibility of anything in itself.
To be honest, to me Hopeless1der's "motivated" comment read more like sarcasm than being serious, given the rest of the content he's produced.
Koshi your first post was made to generate discussion. Its a null tell for me. However now that there was alot of discussion in the thread all i see you doing now is defending your self. Alot more happened then people just responding to your post. I want to see your thoughts on things like that. The back and forth that occurred and the conversation. I don't feel it should be necessary to have to supply you with questions to get your thoughts on things. You have quite a few games under your belt. Lets see some thought processes.
Lonemeow Your early posting is to be straight forward calling for a policy lynch. You state that a lurker lynch should be based on amount of content. Your content is lacking. You don't seem to have the initiative to put your own thoughts out there and make a real effort to find scum. Again this is about have a conversing with the thread. Your not doing it. There is no comment on any of the other things that happened. Besides some stuff about balla who voted ON YOU to pressure you to post more. And a speck of speculation on Koshi. Bare bones stuff not even.
On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
I have no foundation to create a town read on you this game. So your not playing the game with the intent of showing that your town and are making the game harder for all the other players involved. So based on the assumption that you don't want to get lurker lynched I propose the same thing I said to sidesprang. I would like you to create an arbitrary about of posts that you set for your self a little higher then your would normally go for, but something that is reasonable to obtain. To keep it clear I don't want you to spam. I want you to have have a clear intention with your post. I'll repeat that CLEAR INTENTIONS WHEN YOU POST!!!
I realize I am repeating my self with my post to sidesprang and some might consider this fluff with no purpose. However if I feel its necessary to produce content and get the lurkers in here to post I'll do it till i get me some alignment reads on them. These are people we need more content from
I would also like alakaslam to come and post some your posting last night was unreadable and made no sense. Get a computer and start reading up and posting.
Hopeless1der you had two posts about nothing yesterday time to step it up.
Sidesprang you never responded to my post about setting up a minimum post limit for your self. What say you?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"?
how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol.
I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them?
Hopeless1der has not produced anything that I find directly useful for deducing his alignment. Which, in itself, could become alignment indicative.
cakemanofdoom seems to post pretty freely which makes me lean town on him, but I found this weird:
On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"?
how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol.
I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them?
This isn't really directed at only you, but i'm quoting this since it's an example. If you want to discuss a certain topic then just go at it, no reason to ask someone else to start the conversation for you.
You obviously see something, so what it is? Then ask others what they think, whether they agree/disagree and why. Unless you have a specific reason to not reveal your hand yet.
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
Yeah I saw this too and thought it was weird.
Jay, stop giving advice to all the scummy people and attack someone.
Balla, I want to see stuff that is not influenced by my conclusions. What do you think about Cake and hopeless?
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
Yeah I saw this too and thought it was weird.
Jay, stop giving advice to all the scummy people and attack someone.
Balla, I want to see stuff that is not influenced by my conclusions. What do you think about Cake and hopeless?
It's day one this is the time to give advice. I want to give people the chance to produce content before they are threatened with a lynch cause they are unreadable and a liability to town.
It feels early in the day to start a lynch wagon on someone. I rather keep feeling people out before going gungho on my suspected scum.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote: What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie.
Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all?
Stuff like this is similar to above.
Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum.
Why did you unvote me at that point?
Also, who do you think is scum?
Are you saying my vote was correct in the first place, seems weird that you're calling me out for unvoting. Anyways, 2 reasons:
1. I believe it's more likely for scum to have agreed with Koshi then to disagree with him straight up like you did. 2. The conversation about my vote had already been hashed out, no reason to keep it there.
Moving my vote isn't that interesting is it? I could still have my vote on you and it wouldn't really change anything.
On February 05 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Balla, I want to see stuff that is not influenced by my conclusions. What do you think about Cake and hopeless?
Sure but is that question really something that can be influenced by what you say. I still don't know what your conclusions are. Like I don't even really know what you're trying to get at. If you have new information then bring it forward instead of trying to get us to guess at what you see.
- I've already said stuff about cake, he's ok atm. I like how he tried to bring new information to the thread. - Hopeless has jack shit, possible scum.
Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote: What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie.
Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all?
Stuff like this is similar to above.
Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum.
Why did you unvote me at that point?
Also, who do you think is scum?
Are you saying my vote was correct in the first place, seems weird that you're calling me out for unvoting. Anyways, 2 reasons:
1. I believe it's more likely for scum to have agreed with Koshi then to disagree with him straight up like you did. 2. The conversation about my vote had already been hashed out, no reason to keep it there.
Moving my vote isn't that interesting is it? I could still have my vote on you and it wouldn't really change anything.
I was interested why the unvote happened at that moment, many hours after my last post. Point 2 answers this enough for now.
Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
Or we came to the same conclusion independantly which says something about LM's alignment. HAH.
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
Or we came to the same conclusion independantly which says something about LM's alignment. HAH.
Do you think Im scum?
What you asked questions about Cake and Hopeless then you said the exact same thing balla said. Like you even called him hopeless shit when balla had refereed as to him doing jack shit.
Where did LM come into this. What do you think about LM.
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
Or we came to the same conclusion independantly which says something about LM's alignment. HAH.
Do you think Im scum?
What you asked questions about Cake and Hopeless then you said the exact same thing balla said. Like you even called him hopeless shit when balla had refereed as to him doing jack shit.
Where did LM come into this. What do you think about LM.
what. Balla called cake townie, I called him null, pretty much everyone in the game thinks hopeless should die so there is that....
I asked LM the questions first and I think he is town.
This is different. I want your answer first for a reason. Plus I can't answer the question I asked you about myself, and I already said what I thought about LM earlier.
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC
Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer
I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense.
I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped.
Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning.
jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum.
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC
Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer
I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense.
I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped.
Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning.
jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum.
I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking.
I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what.
On February 04 2014 15:30 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think the stuff about Koshi was an example to show that randomly defending someone with no justification doesn't help anyone.
I also really wanna know what alaskaslam's talking about with that second post about jay's list...
On February 04 2014 15:15 Alakaslam wrote: Finally got side springs reply. Don't bother how I spell your name dude because the phones just not going to have. That is so easy to fake is scum, all he does is give generic answers the questions. How is any of that alignment indicated? It's like we're all playing under the assumption that town somehow coordinates and scum does not it's the other way around you know
I don't think anyone really mentioned sidesprang after the response, so I'm not sure what this is getting at.
First clarification since I saw this.
I am saying I finally had reached the post where sidesprang replies to jaybrundage. He simply answers the questions.
What, is he going to say "I don't know" ever? No, because sidesprang/jaybrundage work in tandem. That is the sentiment here.
I have cooled off though, yesterday was a bad day and I was seeing scum everywhere and getting pissed off at the world. Yesterday I lost a day of pay because I couldn't get to work because the work truck had issues. (I agreed beforehand that for use of the company truck <personal use> I would not be paid if downtime prevented me from working) and then trying to get a little mafia fix my phone vomited all over the thread.
Today, I just got approval for full repairs and new tires and I'm on my laptop. Life is good. Everyone is town XD
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
On February 05 2014 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or we came to the same conclusion independantly which says something about LM's alignment. HAH.
Do you think Im scum?
Oatsmaster this quote coming from what Balla said makes no sense to me. Do you realize that the bolded part was him talking to you?
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC
Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer
I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense.
I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped.
Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning.
jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum.
I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking.
I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what.
Correct. This was part of why I was so pissed. TL was glitching out with & stuff like that which drove me mad
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today?
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy?
Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me.
Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.
Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet
Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.
Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.
But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.
I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.
Vote: LoneMeow
jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.
if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know.
The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that.
Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
On February 05 2014 02:35 jaybrundage wrote: SUKI GONNA RUSTLE SOME JIMMIES
I like your case seems well thought out and pretty straight forward logic. The first big case of the thread :D
Worth voting on?
Sorry for the pissitude. As I read your filter I find that though you have scum tells it is not particularly because it works for you being scum. We will see if it was premature.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
Don't worry so much. All will be clear in due time.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
Don't worry so much. All will be clear in due time.
Clarify "IML"
Instant Majority Lynch (IML)
No, not all will be clear in due time. Explain yourself.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
Don't worry so much. All will be clear in due time.
Clarify "IML"
Instant Majority Lynch (IML)
No, not all will be clear in due time. Explain yourself.
I plan to. I want some more people to catch up. We appear to have the two fastest connections of the currently active folks.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
So looking at my posting the thing that you might perceive as "scummy" Is that I am not posting my own opinion as much as prodding other's for information. And that is intentional I want to see more posting from lurkers that is my number 1 concern at the moment. I want to be able to separate the town lurkers to the scum lurkers.
My other question is why did you vote Lonemeow but then vote Oatsmaster when suki and Balla made cases and votes against him. What was your initial intention to vote lone meow in the first place?
Why switch over to Oats just cause thread sentiment is going in that direction.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
So looking at my posting the thing that you might perceive as "scummy" Is that I am not posting my own opinion as much as prodding other's for information. And that is intentional I want to see more posting from lurkers that is my number 1 concern at the moment. I want to be able to separate the town lurkers to the scum lurkers.
My other question is why did you vote Lonemeow but then vote Oatsmaster when suki and Balla made cases and votes against him. What was your initial intention to vote lone meow in the first place?
Why switch over to Oats just cause thread sentiment is going in that direction.
This is what I was looking for.
Jay who cares what you said or what I was saying to you? Yet you don't just immediately attack me for tomfoolery, you first defend your own stuff that I called you out for. You use 3 lines doing that, and two lines asking why I did what I did, and then one line painting it as a common scum tell.
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
What is different between these two reactions?
FoS Jaybrundage.
But I really didn't expect you to be the one to trip it. Now I feel like an idiot, I recanted my bad day feelings and now they're back XD
Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
This was a ploy. We are seeking uncommon knowledge. How do people react to things? Do they react quickly and emotionally, or with a delay and with a clear purpose in mind?
Well, Balla was quick and a litte emotional. jaybrundage took a bit and was clear and precise, but with questionable motive.
## unvote by the way.
Anyone have a good reason why jaybrundage is town?
On February 05 2014 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
What page are they on? I have caught up so I must have missed them.
I disregarded anything related to my phone crap prior to now, if you or anyone want those flaming piles of dog feces explained I am here for a bit.
How has he been going about it though suki? That is more common knowledge. It is so easy to pressure people as scum. Heck Kushm4sta and I pushed EACH OTHER as scum in Extractor trick, and my ENTIRE TEAM bussed me hard in Aperture 2p2 and I still survived until day 3
It isn't so easy to get someone lynched. And I have a thousand times easier time making myself look townie as scum.
Also I just got word to move out, so I am going to work. Means I will be in and out as I am switching to phone. I have charge so that won't be an issue like before, but I will react slower.
On February 05 2014 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
What page are they on? I have caught up so I must have missed them.
I disregarded anything related to my phone crap prior to now, if you or anyone want those flaming piles of dog feces explained I am here for a bit.
There in the post you quoted. I was writing my response to your question and then I saw your terrible vote switch and I added that to my post seems pretty self explanatory.
I like Jay's attitude so far and I don't find any inconsistencies in his play. It could be good town play or strong scum play, but if it's strong scum play then he will slip up later on. My gut tells me he's town for now.
There are other people that I'm looking at other than Oats but I'd rather wait for activity from more people before I do more detailed analysis.
On February 05 2014 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
What page are they on? I have caught up so I must have missed them.
I disregarded anything related to my phone crap prior to now, if you or anyone want those flaming piles of dog feces explained I am here for a bit.
There in the post you quoted. I was writing my response to your question and then I saw your terrible vote switch and I added that to my post seems pretty self explanatory.
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
And you still need answers? I am looking for reactions! And here you are asking questions you know the answer to, then getting upset when I don't bother because I know you know.
I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed.
Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us.
So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone.
Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they?
Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people,
On February 05 2014 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
What page are they on? I have caught up so I must have missed them.
I disregarded anything related to my phone crap prior to now, if you or anyone want those flaming piles of dog feces explained I am here for a bit.
There in the post you quoted. I was writing my response to your question and then I saw your terrible vote switch and I added that to my post seems pretty self explanatory.
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
And you still need answers? I am looking for reactions! And here you are asking questions you know the answer to, then getting upset when I don't bother because I know you know.
Come now.
Your getting a bit frustrating. If your not gonna read my post properly then don't play mafia. What was the initial reason you voted lonemeow. This was before your "Imma create a trap for zee scumzies" plan and you voted for oats.
On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed.
Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us.
So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone.
Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they?
Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people,
What's with this blatant contradiction, which is it?
Other things about oats feel more weird than scummy. Like with his insisting that you post your opinion first, I can imagine town doing that (I would probably have trouble reading someone who sheeped me) even if I'd prefer if he were open with his thoughts.
Oats's contradiction with his stance on koshi's policy doesn't seem scummy to me. It's a bit hard to explain, I think it sorta makes sense for him to disagree with the policy, and assume that it was bad enough that it was meant to make scum slip while attacking it. Him saying that Koshi's policy was bad is a required step of explaining his thought process. Then again, I'm also not sure why he thinks town isn't just as likely to attack the policy if it's so bad.
So yeah, I'm not convinced oats is mafia, but a response from him would be nice.
And I really wanna get the super quiet people posting before lynching oats.
On February 05 2014 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: Here's an idea alakaslam how about you answer my questions. I really don't care about your FoS your actions are the scummiest thing going on in the thread atm.
What page are they on? I have caught up so I must have missed them.
I disregarded anything related to my phone crap prior to now, if you or anyone want those flaming piles of dog feces explained I am here for a bit.
There in the post you quoted. I was writing my response to your question and then I saw your terrible vote switch and I added that to my post seems pretty self explanatory.
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
On February 05 2014 03:19 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this. It was a trap bull a mile away. Its reallly dumb. You still haven't answered my question of why you initially voted lonemeow
And you still need answers? I am looking for reactions! And here you are asking questions you know the answer to, then getting upset when I don't bother because I know you know.
Come now.
Your getting a bit frustrating. If your not gonna read my post properly then don't play mafia. What was the initial reason you voted lonemeow. This was before your "Imma create a trap for zee scumzies" plan and you voted for oats.
I was looking for reactions then as well. Were people going to ask for clarification or paint it scummy? But no one reacted so I went with a more blatant route.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know.
2.
On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that.
3.
On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case.
On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
What I thought seems similar enough to what oats said, bait for scum to jump on. Any discussion can be viewed as a way to bait scum into revealing themselves. I don't quite agree that attacking Koshi's policy would be sign of mafia, but oats should explain that himself.
2. Yeah, that's weird. not enough to make oats seem worse than people who just aren't here, imo.
3. He might have just wanted you to talk so he could read you or something.
But really, oats should just respond to the cases against him himself.
The problem I have with Oats right now is that his vote is still on me even though he just had 8 hours the chance to talk to me and in that time he went from calling my first post utter crap to everything is utter crap except my first post...
I prefer to lynch Jonny atm. Nothing he says connects to each other. He starts saying he wants to lynch all lurkers multiple times and that my "Policy" was a good conversation starter.
On February 03 2014 10:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Three of them were lurkers in our games. We're lynching them d1 if they do nothing.
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: 40 posts is an arbitrary number that doesn't mean anything. It worked okay as a conversation starter but on Wednesday are you going to be sitting around counting people's posts since the game started?
Somewhere Jonny must have read that I was actually serious about going to actually count the number of posts and then lynch somebody for it while I said that I wasn't going to do that. So normally Jonny shouldn't be going on about it then?
On February 05 2014 00:38 JonnyLaw wrote: You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts.
This is his come back post in the thread many hours after he said my policy was all about the numbers. I have so many problems with every sentence in that post. You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. What is this? Am I scum for posting something stupid? Am I scum for not following up my stupid plans? I think it is pretty townie to not follow up stupid shit. Why is he trying to make me not following up stupid shit look scummy? If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Why is Jonny being frustrated with me about the fact that all the content is being shit content? I type in the start of the game "guys let's be nice and post a lot" and the guy replies with 'Fuck being nice because people are lazy and lynch all lurkers" but then keeps going on and on about "there is no content" . THERE IS ALWAYS CONTENT.
Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
[QUOTE]On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. [QUOTE]On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.[/QUOTE] Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw: + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Which on itself is indeed a pro-town post. The problem just lied that LM right after this post said that he was going to do hardcore lurking and the posts didn't add up... Which Jonny still doesn't understand. And somebody needs to figure out what Jonny means with the "first post" and the "second post" etc, because I am pretty sure it doesn't add up as well.
The problem I have with Oats right now is that his vote is still on me even though he just had 8 hours the chance to talk to me and in that time he went from calling my first post utter crap to everything is utter crap except my first post...
I prefer to lynch Jonny atm. Nothing he says connects to each other. He starts saying he wants to lynch all lurkers multiple times and that my "Policy" was a good conversation starter.
On February 03 2014 10:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Three of them were lurkers in our games. We're lynching them d1 if they do nothing.
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: 40 posts is an arbitrary number that doesn't mean anything. It worked okay as a conversation starter but on Wednesday are you going to be sitting around counting people's posts since the game started?
Somewhere Jonny must have read that I was actually serious about going to actually count the number of posts and then lynch somebody for it while I said that I wasn't going to do that. So normally Jonny shouldn't be going on about it then?
On February 05 2014 00:38 JonnyLaw wrote: You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts.
This is his come back post in the thread many hours after he said my policy was all about the numbers. I have so many problems with every sentence in that post. You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. What is this? Am I scum for posting something stupid? Am I scum for not following up my stupid plans? I think it is pretty townie to not follow up stupid shit. Why is he trying to make me not following up stupid shit look scummy? If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Why is Jonny being frustrated with me about the fact that all the content is being shit content? I type in the start of the game "guys let's be nice and post a lot" and the guy replies with 'Fuck being nice because people are lazy and lynch all lurkers" but then keeps going on and on about "there is no content" . THERE IS ALWAYS CONTENT.
Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw: + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Which on itself is indeed a pro-town post. The problem just lied that LM right after this post said that he was going to do hardcore lurking and the posts didn't add up... Which Jonny still doesn't understand. And somebody needs to figure out what Jonny means with the "first post" and the "second post" etc, because I am pretty sure it doesn't add up as well.
Some lone posts I find troubling:
On February 04 2014 12:05 JonnyLaw wrote: I'd say it could feel like bussing scum buddy.
This is about JayB and Sidesprang. Never to be mentioned again.
On February 04 2014 12:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, I'm not waffling on anything. I'm trying to figure out the game. If you have firm convictions this early you're an idiot or a god.
When people say "I am not waffling" they are waffling. Also, did people think he was waffling? I don't even see where he was waffling. That's what they call inherent guilt. He looks at his own posts and sees the flaws in them, or at least he thinks they are there.
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
On February 04 2014 12:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, I'm not waffling on anything. I'm trying to figure out the game. If you have firm convictions this early you're an idiot or a god.
When people say "I am not waffling" they are waffling. Also, did people think he was waffling? I don't even see where he was waffling. That's what they call inherent guilt. He looks at his own posts and sees the flaws in them, or at least he thinks they are there.
##vote: JonnyLaw
For what it's worth, I suspect he was responding to this:
On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: 9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow
Really wish people would quote when they respond so the context would be in their filters.
Just thought I'd tell you I've asked to be replaced out. I confirmed my signup to this game asuming it was not gonna start before the 10th. I really did not have any time today before now. And tomorrow I will be away all day.
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: The problem I have with Oats right now is that his vote is still on me even though he just had 8 hours the chance to talk to me and in that time he went from calling my first post utter crap to everything is utter crap except my first post...
I prefer to lynch Jonny atm. Nothing he says connects to each other. He starts saying he wants to lynch all lurkers multiple times and that my "Policy" was a good conversation starter.
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: 40 posts is an arbitrary number that doesn't mean anything. It worked okay as a conversation starter but on Wednesday are you going to be sitting around counting people's posts since the game started?
Somewhere Jonny must have read that I was actually serious about going to actually count the number of posts and then lynch somebody for it while I said that I wasn't going to do that. So normally Jonny shouldn't be going on about it then?
I don't see anywhere that Jonny said Koshi's policy was a good conversation starter. He says it was "okay", but overall you can tell from the tone of his posts that he would have rather been talking about something else. Which is the opposite of what Koshi says "good conversation starter" IMO.
Nor do I get the impression that Koshi gets from the second post. It just seems like Jonny wanted to make the point that the 40 posts limit was arbitrary and wants to move on. This indicates that he knows you're not seriously going to do that.
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:
Why is Jonny being frustrated with me about the fact that all the content is being shit content? I type in the start of the game "guys let's be nice and post a lot" and the guy replies with 'Fuck being nice because people are lazy and lynch all lurkers" but then keeps going on and on about "there is no content" . THERE IS ALWAYS CONTENT.
Sure I see Jonny blaming Koshi for other people's posts weird. But the bolded/underlined isn't what he said at all. "Fuck being nice" and "people are lazy" and "lynch lurkers" all are separate thoughts.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw: + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Which on itself is indeed a pro-town post. The problem just lied that LM right after this post said that he was going to do hardcore lurking and the posts didn't add up... Which Jonny still doesn't understand. And somebody needs to figure out what Jonny means with the "first post" and the "second post" etc, because I am pretty sure it doesn't add up as well.
You miss the post where I explain why I didn't like LM's first post and that caused Jonny to relook at it, which you can see here:
On February 04 2014 09:41 JonnyLaw wrote: I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh?
I still agree with his second post.
And he exaggerates things Jonny says. "from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit". I mean come on.
Then "This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw": he never said it was scummy???? He said it was sensible, then that he still agrees with it. When does he say it's scummy?
Also how can you not tell what he means with first post, second post etc... it was pretty obvious since at that point in time, lonemeow had 3 posts only and that's what we were discussing.
Then the waffling thing that you guys already pointed out. There's a lot in here that is exaggerated or misconstrued, in my opinion. So I think the case is no good. The only point that stands is that Jonny is calling Koshi out for "This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game." which is weird, but I would like clarification on why Koshi caused that from Jonny.
On February 04 2014 09:33 Balla24 wrote: Because he opened by saying something super ambiguous and unclear as to what he meant for no reason instead of just saying what he thought.
About which post was this and can you clarify this for me.
On February 04 2014 09:33 Balla24 wrote: Because he opened by saying something super ambiguous and unclear as to what he meant for no reason instead of just saying what he thought.
About which post was this and can you clarify this for me.
In response to this:
On February 04 2014 09:31 JonnyLaw wrote: Oh you're back. Why did you vote lm so quickly?
2 posts up.
Do you still need clarification now that you know the context? If so, what's confusing about it?
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
And then there post 3 that Jonny disregarded. So why the fuck bother about this one even though it is probably a pretty important one because it is LM reacting to a vote on him.
On February 04 2014 09:33 Balla24 wrote: Because he opened by saying something super ambiguous and unclear as to what he meant for no reason instead of just saying what he thought.
About which post was this and can you clarify this for me.
1. had no idea what I was voting about. 2. thought my vote was good, without knowing what i was voting about 3. forgot that you basically said the same thing I did when he posted that, but I voted for it
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Why do you think I'm going ham? I've barely discussed it. I voted for it, provided my reasoning, unvoted when discussion died down and haven't talked about it since.
If it would be somebody that actually posts stuff like Hopeless then I would frown.
But it is the Stray Kitten. Here is Noir. Which is pretty funny because he starts with asking if somebody ever got policy lynched and then gets lynched day 2 for having no filter and even claiming doc made another town fakeclaim doc to get him lynched.
And here is LXIII in which he has a 6 page filter after 8 days.
On February 05 2014 07:28 Balla24 wrote: Koshi wtf?
I find this really hard to believe that you
1. had no idea what I was voting about. 2. thought my vote was good, without knowing what i was voting about 3. forgot that you basically said the same thing I did when he posted that, but I voted for it
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Why do you think I'm going ham? I've barely discussed it. I voted for it, provided my reasoning, unvoted when discussion died down and haven't talked about it since.
Seriously?
No I had no idea because I read over it and thought it was about the second post from LM which actually was ambitious knowing he doesn't post a lot or give the greatest analysis about content.
That would have actually made sense.
Jonny has about 6 posts in which he mentions LM and it is because he said 4 words in the start that indicated he has a lurking meta? ok.
Koshi, I get Jonny is #1 on your scum list. Do you also find Oatsmaster scummy? You said you had a problem with his case on you but you didn't straight out come to a conclusion.
LoneMeow Give me your top 2 scum reads and reasons, please.
Alakaslam You set a trap for Jay by voting for Oats, now you've unvoted Oats. What are your thoughts on Oats at the moment? Who are your scum picks?
Plenty of time has passed and there has been enough activity to form opinions on people. There are also several cases floating around so there is no reason for people not to contribute their thoughts on the cases and put down their vote.
My thoughts about Oats are that he is being dumb because I am town and he should know that by now, if he doesn't he is scum. He can defend against your cases when he is back. My read on him solely rests on him saying sensible things between the contradictions. He isn't doing that.
Ugh, I kinda botched the Jonny case. I am going to reread everything again tomorrow. Normally I don't make these kinda mistakes but it just doesn't make sense that it was all about LM saying he has a lurking meta. I have to see if Jonny his filter looks better now that is clear. Everything just didn't make sense, it might do now.
On February 05 2014 07:55 Koshi wrote: My thoughts about Oats are that he is being dumb because I am town and he should know that by now, if he doesn't he is scum. He can defend against your cases when he is back. My read on him solely rests on him saying sensible things between the contradictions. He isn't doing that.
If Oats is town, why the hell would he know you are town by now? If Oats is scum, he would obviously know you are town if you are town...
This doesn't really make sense. What's the missing information here (history I guess?)?
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
On February 05 2014 07:37 suki wrote: Koshi, I get Jonny is #1 on your scum list. Do you also find Oatsmaster scummy? You said you had a problem with his case on you but you didn't straight out come to a conclusion.
LoneMeow Give me your top 2 scum reads and reasons, please.
Alakaslam You set a trap for Jay by voting for Oats, now you've unvoted Oats. What are your thoughts on Oats at the moment? Who are your scum picks?
Plenty of time has passed and there has been enough activity to form opinions on people. There are also several cases floating around so there is no reason for people not to contribute their thoughts on the cases and put down their vote.
First let me say Koshi, I haven't found jlaw's post on you. Let me find it and I'll answer you. Suki the trap was not specifically for jay, I couldn't possibly know who would trip it. The vote was dishonest, the prior statement was. I don't try and read oats this early.
My scum picks, if I had to make them now, are jay and sidespring's slot, or Koshi, or oats. "Or"s separate between possibilities.
I do not do anything stronger than FoS yet though.
I'll be in and out for the next few hours. First I'm going to go find some Oats town games. I played with him as scum and it looks similar to this game. I have a nagging suspicion that's how he plays every game though. I asked him yesterday to link me town games but he never responded.
I'll address Koshi's post afterwards. Not too worried about it at the moment.
##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?
asking all those questions
Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
Anyway, that was fruitless. The filters could be from the same game. Oats put a little more effort into the normal game but it was a much larger and faster game. I'm going to reread the thread. I'm missing something obvious and the game's still short.
On February 05 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway everyone should lynch hopeless because he started this game significantly differently from the past 2 town games he has been in.
playing different. must be scum. Oats, forgive me when I scoff at that post. (I havent really read shit, starting now)
After Jay's done talking about policy he starts posting that he's doing what a good townie would be doing. But I don't believe he's actually doing it. Just talking.
He starts off talking about Sidesprang out of all of the lurkers. I ask him why Sidesprang and his answer made sense to me originally.
I should properly preface this by saying that before the game as I was looking at some of the games from other players. I noticed sidesprang had a worrying about of posts in his town game. Perhaps like 2 - 3 posts a cycle and that was pushing it. I noted that and planned to put alot of pressure on him this game. I was considering trying to start a policy lynch on him with my first post to get conversation moving and put pressure.
Then he reveals he hasn't really looked into others later. I think his filter dive on sidesprang could be a bus or he did it when pressured about why he wanted to go after sidesprang. LM, cakeman and prob others have short filters in their recent games as well. Who are these other people he looked into then? Jay's saying "look I did super town things hunting scum."
On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote: Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Whats up Masta of the Oats?
Been a long time since we played ill have to look ya up. Tho I don't like the buddying atm :o
Then there's the entire interaction with Suki.
This is out of the big list thread. Which I hated by the way. Jay's telling the town to post clearly and giving advice while doing the exact opposite the entire game. There's not one concise read.
On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:
10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm
He goes from that to this. I can understand changing your mind but I don't think that case was straightforward or even particularly good.
On February 05 2014 02:35 jaybrundage wrote: SUKI GONNA RUSTLE SOME JIMMIES
I like your case seems well thought out and pretty straight forward logic. The first big case of the thread :D
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
So looking at my posting the thing that you might perceive as "scummy" Is that I am not posting my own opinion as much as prodding other's for information. And that is intentional I want to see more posting from lurkers that is my number 1 concern at the moment. I want to be able to separate the town lurkers to the scum lurkers.
My other question is why did you vote Lonemeow but then vote Oatsmaster when suki and Balla made cases and votes against him. What was your initial intention to vote lone meow in the first place?
Why switch over to Oats just cause thread sentiment is going in that direction.
Town should be posting opinions and hunting scum. Yet there's none of that here.
When are you going to start playing this game Jay? Pressuring and even voting lurkers is fine by me. You're not above the game though.
Jay never said how he felt about Suki's case either. Yes, we can all see it's a case. What do you think of it? I have yet see and opinion except that list post.
I want to lynch lonemeow. He claims that people should be judged on the content. But he doesn't bring much to the table. As a preface I was originally planning on pushing Mista Cake but going over his filter I felt that he was actively trying to figure out the game so I abandoned that suspect and looking over filters and players lonemeow caught my eye.
He starts off the game with a post saying basically he doesn't post much and it doesn't seem like he plans to change. However the point of these policy discussions is that we should be striving to post more. Not even making an attempt at trying to improve his town play is scummy to start with.
On February 04 2014 07:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Half the game won't meet those requirements. Being nice is too hard. People are lazy.
Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious.
Who isn't going to meet those requirements?
You've played with me before...
Here lonemeow is basically setting himself up to lurk the rest of the game. Content and Number of posts go hand in hand. If you only post 3 things a cycle your not gonna have much content. Even if your put alot of information in those posts it doesn't replace the ability to talk reads out with players and converse. And lets be honest Lonemeow doesn't even put alot in the few posts he has.
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Here is a classic scum post ask a question with out putting any content. Do you think this makes X town or scum? That's it. Notice that LM also comments on this because he was mentioned in the previous post. He does this more often then not making a comment on something if he is involved at all. He doesn't really care about reads. He just wants to appear to care.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
So here is Lonemeow's I would say one of his top posts. Which looking at the content is pretty disappointing. He says jonny gets hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when he is town. Ok great some new information. Chiming in on someone's tell's when there town while may appear helpful. Is easy to do as scum as they already know the alignment of said person. Of course as you can see in the second part of the post. Lonemeow notices that he is mentioned so he tries to defend him self.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
I give him a point in the scum collomn.
Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.
He's generally very hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when town, though, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
I find it suspicious that he is angry about me "fucking off" then right in the next post says you're probably not posting because you're asleep - we both have country tags visible so he should've applied the same logic to figure out that I was probably also sleeping.
Asking another question with no content. Also notice that the subject is about lonemeow as he doesn't usually venture to give much input on other topics.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote: What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
Yes hopeless1der not posting for a day after 2 contentless posts is bad. I think we all can agree with that. Easy to say as either alignment this as it is very obvious.
He gives leaning town read on cake. Who is freely posting. Again easy to give town reads as scum. They know who is town already. Then he defends himself again. Showing that he just wants to defend himself. That's his biggest goal this game. To try to not post much content and make sure he can slide by.
On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
So in summary I think Lonemeow is posting with the intention to remain unreadable . He has posted largely all questions with out interjecting much of his own opinion in the thread. He gives town reads but never suspects anyone as scum to date. He doesn't seem to want to be encouraged to post more although this can only produce more content for town which makes him easier to read and helps the town. When I made a post directed at lonemeow to try to set a goal for himself to post more often and with content. He completely ignores it. He rather just try to slide by with out posting content and make himself not readable.
Jay, what did you think of Suki's case on oats? I understand you like that someone finally put hard content in the game but what's your take on her views?
On February 05 2014 10:55 JonnyLaw wrote: Jay, what did you think of Suki's case on oats? I understand you like that someone finally put hard content in the game but what's your take on her views?
I like the case as in I agree with it. I thought it did have good points. I said this is my post about it didn't I? \
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
Meh. I wouldn't say he's refusing to do it. It's ok to wait sometimes. I was choosing to wait a bit longer to post what he posted about LoneMeow, which I'm sure he was doing too until you asked him to do something.
I'm very biased though, cause he's basically my clone at this point.
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.
What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.
We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
Kk sorry I was playing an epic hearthstone game last time I responded to you. Priest on priest battle when down till we were both getting fatigued. He had thoughtstole my deathwing but I waited it out and Mindcontrolled it :D and won
Annnywho You have my attention lemme respond to this stuff
On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote: The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading.
This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here.
It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions.
I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much.
On February 05 2014 11:31 jaybrundage wrote: @Balla I don't mind I'm glad Jonny is taking interest in our towns fate
I don't mind either. I just wish he would comment on other things too, because I think you're both town atm and townies discussing themselves with each other doesn't help that much. Much better to hear thoughts on other people from each other and come up with solutions to the game.
I'm glad he's pressuring you though, that's good. Just don't want this to turn into a battle between you two without any results on other fronts. Na'mean?
On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote: The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading.
This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here.
It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions.
I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much.
Oh fuck, I phrased that so stupidly.
You don't say anything until someone presses you. Of course you answer questions.
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.
What do you think of Oats?
Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?
I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats.
Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki.
I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not.
What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.
What do you think of Oats?
Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?
I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats.
Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki.
I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not.
What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer.
I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch.
I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play.
I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions.
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.
What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.
We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.
I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.
Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.
What do you think of Oats?
Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?
I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats.
Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki.
I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not.
What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer.
I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch.
I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play.
I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions.
On Oats: I read his games too. He plays like this always, town or scum. Didn't you come to this conclusion too?
On February 05 2014 09:07 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, that was fruitless. The filters could be from the same game. Oats put a little more effort into the normal game but it was a much larger and faster game. I'm going to reread the thread. I'm missing something obvious and the game's still short.
That's fine that you didn't want to give your opinion since you asked Jay plenty of times and he still hasn't really elaborated on anything. I guess i'm just a little impatient though ^_^
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.
What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.
We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.
I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.
Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.
I'm of the opinion that Oats refuted suki's case pretty good. You disagree? There are other points brought up against Oats that I don't think he answered adequately, but suki's main points in her case I wouldn't say is the reason I would lynch him.
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?
The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.
Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.
Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.
What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.
We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.
I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.
Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.
You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore.
On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?
The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.
Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.
Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe
it also makes you look like you care.more about looking like town than finding scum
On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?
The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.
Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.
Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe
it also makes you look like you care.more about looking like town than finding scum
that's what i'm saying.
Oats, I dunno man. hopeless has 11 pages of filter in 10 days of that smb game.
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here:
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me.
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town
On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?
asking all those questions
Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here:
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me.
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town
On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?
asking all those questions
Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
##vote Oatsmaster
No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates.
On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?
The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.
Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.
Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe
it also makes you look like you care.more about looking like town than finding scum
Why can't I do both? Did you not read my case on Lonemeow
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.
So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though?
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here:
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me.
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town
On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?
asking all those questions
Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
##vote Oatsmaster
No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates.
I must be misreading or something? You said the exact opposite here:
On February 05 2014 11:46 JonnyLaw wrote:
I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch.
Exactly what I said. I don't want to lynch him today.
That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation.
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow.
That's fine.
I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.
I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.
What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.
We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.
I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.
Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.
You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore.
##vote Jaybrundage
I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town.
On February 05 2014 12:12 JonnyLaw wrote: Exactly what I said. I don't want to lynch him today.
That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation.
So you don't agree with my conclusion and his defense vs suki that I posted that is relevant to that quote? Why?
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
Ok lemme get this straight. You think im scum. But you don't disagree about my case on lonemeow. So what am I doing that is so scummy. If you say acting townie or some stupid shit like that. I won't be happy.
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
Ok lemme get this straight. You think im scum. But you don't disagree about my case on lonemeow. So what am I doing that is so scummy. If you say acting townie or some stupid shit like that. I won't be happy.
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then?
Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points.
I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats.
Scum can make a decent case too.
I've said why I think you're scummy. You tell other players what to do and don't do it yourself unless questioned. Until your post on LM you said nothing all game. I really, really hate your post about suki. It's not about "oats defending himself." It's what do you think about it. It made suki town in your eyes. I get it. What do you think about the case and Oats? I don't care if you think Suki's town suddenly because of one post.
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
Ok lemme get this straight. You think im scum. But you don't disagree about my case on lonemeow. So what am I doing that is so scummy. If you say acting townie or some stupid shit like that. I won't be happy.
On February 05 2014 12:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 12:23 Balla24 wrote:
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then?
Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points.
I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats.
Scum can make a decent case too.
I've said why I think you're scummy. You tell other players what to do and don't do it yourself unless questioned. Until your post on LM you said nothing all game. I really, really hate your post about suki. It's not about "oats defending himself." It's what do you think about it. It made suki town in your eyes. I get it. What do you think about the case and Oats? I don't care if you think Suki's town suddenly because of one post.
You seem to be focusing to much on one post I made that you don't like instead of looking at my game play as a whole.
On Oats I looked over his responses and saw that Balla thought they were good. When looking then over tho. I still don't find them to be great.
@Jonny Also I posted the lonemeow case before I saw your post. I was finished with my case and I read up on the thread to see if anything happened when I was gone. Saw your post so i posted a funny ok ill start playing the game. And posted my case. Your assertion that I just started hunting scum cause you made a post on me is wrong.
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes.
I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess.
What's the point of hiding it?
Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes.
I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess.
What's the point of hiding it?
Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes.
I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess.
What's the point of hiding it?
Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.
What do you think of Oats?
Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?
I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats.
Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki.
I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not.
What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
His entry meta doesn't make him scum to me. It's significantly different, but from the past 3 games he's played all his entries have each been significantly different from each other don't you agree?
On February 05 2014 13:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I wasnt aware I had an established "entrance" meta. Oats, I wanna see this, please respond. Don't worry I'll OMGUS to your hearts content.
Wow so your actively lurking instead of posting something with content.
On February 05 2014 13:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I wasnt aware I had an established "entrance" meta. Oats, I wanna see this, please respond. Don't worry I'll OMGUS to your hearts content.
Wow so your actively lurking instead of posting something with content.
oats you just dont get my sense of humor. Or your scum. And I'll be honest I'm leaning on scum, but I'll get to that when I actually finish reading the thread properly..
[excuses] I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me. [/excuses]
On February 05 2014 13:26 Hopeless1der wrote: oats you just dont get my sense of humor. Or your scum. And I'll be honest I'm leaning on scum, but I'll get to that when I actually finish reading the thread properly..
[excuses] I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me. [/excuses]
So you disagree then? All the entrances are the same?
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
On February 05 2014 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah so no, LXIV and SMB he entered mostly the same way, really lighthearted and jokey posts. Here, he is super serious from the get go with a snarky sarcastic comment at koshi's policy. And he started questioning people and shit, here it looks like he is trying to avoid attention. Its SOOO DIFFERENT.
Thank you! Finally.
It is different. I said that. I don't agree that he isn't light-hearted with the sarcastic comment to koshi though, I think that's pretty lighthearted. From what I can, the main difference is his activity. I agree with that. Maybe trying to avoid attention, maybe not. I see him dissapear and lurk a bit from LXIV, and from both of his scum games, but not in SMB.
These were a long time ago, but still. I'd definitely agree that from meta he looks scummy. In those 2 games he briefly talks about policy like here, then nitpicks someone then dissapears. Here he doesn't really nitpick but dissapears.
On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
How would you open a game as scum?
I don't see how my answer is in any way going to be alignment indicative for this game. No comment.
I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
On February 05 2014 14:17 Hopeless1der wrote: my scumplay is full of lurk. when my activity (read as content) cranks up, I'll be confirmed town, right?
I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through.
I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference.
@Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that?
I think Oatsmaster's defense addresses my case sufficiently, and I like the direction he's taken after defending himself. That is, his tunnel on Hopeless.
I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless.
I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered.
##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der
At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter.
suki, the tunnel from Oats on me was completely unwarranted. Oats doesnt cite my lurk meta for me being scum, he cites "different entrance posts". This is not the same thing as LXIII. Hell, the point you've referenced from LXIII isnt even what you are calling it, Oats was mad I sheeped a townies incorrect case on him and was playing up the angries.
As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
Nah I'd be happier if you just provided more reads.
After posting my 'perfect sheep' post I went back and read the past few pages again and I actually really hate Oat's case against you. I'll look at him again in the morning as I'm really tired right now, but just my general impressions on his play from his defense post onwards gave me a gut feeling of town on him.
Also for those suspicious of Jay, I think he's town..
I went and looked at a bunch of jay's past games.
As mafia, he makes excuses for himself a lot. He's very self-conscious. in the past three scum games that i found, he made sure to mention right at the beginning that he is always mislynched as town and plays up that fact as if to say, don't mislynch me. He tends to find scum faster, vote more freely and with less explanation.
As town he doesn't apologize. He likes to policy talk and take it easy early on, but when he latches on to someone he ends up writing up a big case more often than not and voting his suspect.
Based on this read I think that jay is town.
He's a lot more easy going from the start, doesn't make excuses or seem self-conscious. He asks a lot of questions and is generally wary about calling people scum which is directly against his scum meta. His long post against LoneMeow with the vote at the end is distinctly his town style as well, I feel.
On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good.
On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good.
kk first thing when I wake up.
@cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed?
I'd lynch Hopeless atm for lack of content. But he's here now it seems, so hopefully I can get a better reason to vote/not vote him.
Oats's defense seems pretty meh. I was never really convinced of the cases against him in the first place. Actually, where did he get that suki thought hopeless was town? Oh, and I'm not sure about his case on hopeless. Looks like mainly meta, and I'll admit I didn't go look up hopeless's games. Seems weird to me that oats is convinced that hopeless is mafia when hopeless had made almost no posts. That could be a bit scummy...
So overall on oats, I think he's null/weird. I think we thought similarly about Koshi's policy, but his defense of jay had no reasoning and I don't know about his case on hopeless.
I'm still reluctant to vote jay. He's pretty active, his earlier posts were logical and seemed to push town in the right direction. But more recently I'm not as sure that he's town.
Hopeless omgusing me here. He says he agrees with the case against me but never bothers to counterargue the defence I gave. How can I reference hopeless' lurk meta when it has only been a day?
Cake, am I only allowed to attack people who have made a lot of posts? In fact, how can you call my push on hopeless bad when you havent even read the evidence supporting it?
There are no super obvious townies right now. There are a LOT of question marks. I was feeling obvious town for jay, but he didn't really get there from what I was expecting.
The scum are probably: Hopeless1der, Lonemeow
Hopeless is just lurking. He clearly isn't motivated by the early policy talk like he said he was. He isn't scumhunting. He isn't doing anything. This post stands out to me as similar to his scum games:
On February 04 2014 09:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Jay, let me slippery slope this argument.
Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline".
How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible.
How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now?
If two roleblockers target each other, they are both informed.
Masons who are roleblocked will not be prevented from communicating with their partner(s).
Masons are confirmed town to each other.
One person on the mafia team may carry out the kill each night. The mafia can choose not to kill. The mafia can kill each other. If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is roleblocked, no kill will occur.
Millers are self-aware.
There are no hit notifications in this game.
All roleblocks will result in the target being notified.
If a serial killer is present he/she will be able to choose between investigation immunity and one shot bulletproof when the roles go out and before day 1 starts. If no choice is sent in then I will flip a coin and choose for the player.
If there are any questions about the setup, they may either be PMed to me or posted in the threadin bold green text
There will be post-game analysis and potentially other types of recognition from me. Stick around after the game is over if you want to do the post-game discussionings.
100% the right course of action. If you're OP does not contain a miller claim in it, I'll policy lynch you if you claim it later on. (Catching-up to thread post leeway if you claim in your 2nd or 3rd post that's fine)
On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, being facetious is awesome.
Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you?
On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote: to everyone:
Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).
I have to say already that kshmasta is looking scummy.
Since i don't see the advantage of a miller claim, i'd like to know why a miller should claim (from both prplhz and hope in particular). I'd also like to hear from kushmasta why you avoided saying mason.
Well, it's going to end up keeping them alive through the nights, at least from NK's. Claiming/fakeclaiming miller is confirming that you will return red if you are investigated, so it saves the DT's a target to check in that sense. Miller's are likely to end up vigged or lynch just before lylo, because we can't take the risk at that point, but it could also compel them to scum-hunt a bit harder if people are always nursing suspicions about a fakeclaim.
The biggest thing is that if any mafia want to fakeclaim miller, they have to do it NOW. It cannot be in response to a DT check or if you're about to be lynched (and to be honest, I wouldn't believe an "omg i'm about to be lynched" miller claim anyways).
On November 01 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that. How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours.
I guess that could be useful? It's at least something to go by to help solidify a read. However... Do scum get fake/safeclaims?
Mason Claims - I think are a bad idea. Mason's get stronger as the game goes on. I'd rather they write last wills of some sort to confirm each other in case on dies/is about to be lynched, and their pm logs are going to be proof enough in most cases.
On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post:
On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?!
What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here...
What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined..
- There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue
Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another.
Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later.
On January 04 2014 06:32 Alakaslam wrote: So what now? Hopeless, Coag, you guys have entered. Anything to say? I mean, besides stuff like "I'm town" because the basis of this game is that scum will lie...
Also, AMA.
no. still town though.
On January 04 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote: 20524821 mod10 is 1. I should have defined player 10 as 0 but that should be self-evident. 1) kushm4sta (filter) 2) alakaslam (filter) 3) Gumshoe (filter) 4) Hopeless1der (filter) 5) Raynpelikoneet (filter) 6) coagulation (filter) 7) [UoN]Sentinel (filter) 8) Yamato77 (filter) 9) thrawn2112 (filter) 10) Mr. Cheesecake (filter)
Sorry kush, nothing personal. BlazingHand's rules and all
On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote: So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?
There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller.
My thought process was this long:
1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process.
There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game.
considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense.
On January 16 2014 12:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) vote your target 2) actually call them scum 3) explain why they are scum
sn0 get you head out your ass before its removed permanently.
LXIV
On January 11 2014 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Bow before hopeless1der, leader of towns, gatherer of reads, destroyer of scum. Feed me your prowess in the game of mafia. Show me your skill. Reveal your alignment to me that I might save you from the putrid grip of scum.
Vote me as your mayor and all shall be revealed.
On January 11 2014 09:18 Hopeless1der wrote: P.S. I'm moderately afk / phoneposting. Still make nr mayor kthx.
@BH that's cool and all, but we got rayn, BC., VE, Marv, yamato, and me who are all going to try to get mayor. maybe a couple more people too. Lynching kush isn't going to cut it. I'd like to appeal to any vig's to not go hero mode and just do what's best for town by clearing out lurkers for us. If you want someone killed for being scummy there's a lynch for that.
On January 11 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: BH I can totally read kush. Also you hosted extractor trick. Wtf?
Thrawn I thought we were cool bro what gives?why you gotta lynch me?
In his scum games he seems content to discuss policy, whereas in his town games he seems to be uninterested in it and want to move past it. I can definitely see how Oats would say he is more lighthearted compared to this game.
He says his entrances to the last games were different because he wasn't here at daypost but he was here not long after daypost so I don't see how this makes a difference. He basically says self-meta analysis is stupid, but then does it anyways, and calls himself scum with it by saying he lurks a lot as scum which is exactly what he's doing .
LoneMeow doesn't seem interested in this game in the slightest. He's very self-absorbed and doesn't seem interested in finding out people's alignments. He's just sitting back, asking seemingly useless questions. He seems like he wants to call me scum, but never does, and never calls anyone else scum. He justified his lurking by saying he lurks a lot as either alignment. Here's where he asks a question to Koshi, expecting an answer one way and not getting it:
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
Where he never elaborates on what he thinks. None of the stuff in his filter is really scum hunting, it's just generic easy questions that don't have pretty simple, easily explainable answers. He's basically only interested in other people's reads, I have no idea what his reads are besides the implication that he thinks i'm scum.
These people could die, i'd be fine with that: Koshi, Oats, Cakeman
Koshi's play so far is pretty un-inspired. Either he is misreading a lot of the thread or purposefully misrepresenting what people are saying. The latter indicates scum and the former null, but the former seems to be what he is showing for two reason: (1) He admitted that his case on Jonny wasn't good which shows that he is self-concious about what he is posting and (2) The whole argument where he realized my vote on LoneMeow was for a different post than he originally thought shows that he wasn't reading carefully in the first place. What oatsmaster and jonny brought up about him though is quite true, why did you suggest the policy thing in the first place if you aren't going to follow up on it or conclude anything from the discussion around it? Interested to hear more from him.
Oatsmaster was scummy, but he did bring new information to the thread on Hopeless and seemed interested in taking part of the jonny vs jaybrundage argument and bring new information there when necessary. Also, like Jonny and I said. It's totally within his bounds to play like this as both alignments by looking at his meta, so he's pretty null now. He'd be my 3rd lynch priority.
Cakeman is lurking. He seems to post very little when he is not addressed directly. Suki also pointed out earlier how he claimed "koshi's policy" was the most relevant thing in the thread without giving his opinion on it. I thought that was normal at first, but later on he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing? Why is he worried about that? Koshi wasn't even pushing it at all really and even dropped it completely at that point. I'd like some clarification there. I also don't like how he addresses half a case seemingly without even reading the other half of it and not doing so until prodded for more information.
Jonnylaw is town so far. So is Suki and Jaybrundage
Jonnylaw is standard jonnylaw. Aggressive. Abrasive. Bringing new information to the thread. Attacking fringe targets that nobody else is looking at. Thinking the thread revolves around him when he is there. Declaring me as the most readable of all the players in the game. Stubborn. All of this is classic jonnylaw. Even though I don't like his case on JB at all and how he continues to vote on it. It all fits with what I know of his town game. I don't know enough about his scumgame so he could be totally playing me.
Suki and jaybrundage are constantly thinking the same thing as me. Suki is trying to bring new information to the thread whenever she can and also committing to things she says. Jaybrundage is actively trying to get people not to lurk so that they are readable. It seems like he will be a great asset moving forward, and if he's not then I will be surprised. Both are pushing pro-town stuff. Jaybrundage needs to get more active on the bringing information to the thread and less active on the advice front if he wants to earn the "towniest town that ever towned" title that he deemed himself worthy of.
The few posts hopeless had at the time didn't strike me as scummy.
Can't really explain my first impressions about the push. Hmm... actually, it's probably just that I don't like relying on meta. I'm not convinced that hopeless has to start his town games the same way.
Balla: I addressed the part of the case against oats I felt most strongly about. The rest, I wasn't as sure about so I'd have preferred for oats to come in and address them himself. Then I was asked about them so I answered.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing". Can you clarify/rephrase?
I didn't think hopeless was town, ever. I couldn't read him because he had almost no posts. I might need to read hopeless's town games I guess, but just in general I'm not really convinced that two games one way means the next has to be the same way.
Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia.
For cakeman. Its in here somewhere, almost word for word. Im on my tablet in bed now. I'll be monitoring the thread a bit longer then I'm out.
On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement.
Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed.
Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us.
So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone.
Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they?
Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people,
By the "lurker thing", I meant how Koshi said he wasn't gonna push anyone for 24 hours. From what I understood of that, Koshi was saying that he'd lurk for a day and then give out his reads on the people who posted in the meantime.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
On February 04 2014 23:59 Koshi wrote: Tomorrow. Today, people can post freely. Without worry. Nobody is watching.
On February 05 2014 15:50 cakemanofdoom wrote: I didn't think hopeless was town, ever. I couldn't read him because he had almost no posts. I might need to read hopeless's town games I guess, but just in general I'm not really convinced that two games one way means the next has to be the same way.
Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia.
Well generally same alignments means the same start.
Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Cakeman, just ignore that first post I made... There was no Master Plan when I wrote that. I just wrote it...
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1.
Oats is scum. tl;dr 1) Initial read on Koshi is scum. Diverts into hypothetical "koshi laid a trap". Doesnt address actual read on Koshi. Read changes to Koshi is town for no apparent reason. 2) Terrible progression of his scumread on me. Blatantly sheeping thread sentiment and then pushes my lynch with vague statements. When pressed to expand on his reads he dodges for a fair amount of time then finally comes up with something that in my opinion should not give someone such a strong scumread. I'd call it a forced case onto an easy mislynch target.
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like koshi's policy shit though, it makes it easy for scum just to avoid it and lynch a townie that doesnt give a shit
Koshi's policy is bad
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
There's 2 things here: 1) Koshi's policy is so bad that he is scum 2) Koshi's badness was actually bait FOR the scumteam (i.e. Koshi totes town)
Now it seems that 1 follows 2 because Koshi didn't follow up on his bad policy. Because of his "shitposting" after his first post.
There's a bunch of no-context one-liners in Oats' filter where he goes back and forth with Koshi. This starts on Page 12, the majority is on page 13.
On February 04 2014 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 good post doesnt make the rest not shitposts.
Do you have a conclusion about what people said about your policy? Since you apparently did it to create discussion, you must have some kind of idea what you think about the people that commented on it either positively or negatively.
Its important to realize that this is in the context of responding to Koshi saying his policy was not useless. This isnt a contradiction to earlier yet.
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Okay now I think Oats has stuffed his foot into his mouth. Read his emphasis here and compare with the second post I've quoted where Oats explicitly states that Koshi STARTED off bad and continued to post poorly.
[b]Oats has completely flipflopped on story where his initial read on Koshi goes from A - "Koshi is/was scum" into B - "Koshi was laying a trap"
On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
Oats is right, he never said the policy was good. He also never really came around to the fact that Koshi was likely town either. How did Oats arrive at the conclusion that Koshi was town?] I don't see the progression in his reads. I see him commenting on his initial reactions a lot and saying how he thought Koshi could be laying a trap at first. HOWEVER, since Koshi didn't follow up, he was convinced Koshi was scum. --->Where did this reasoning change or go away? Oats is content to just bandwagon on to me because thread sentiment will let him. He doesn't need to stick his neck out. I wouldn't mind the switch onto me except that he avoids fleshing out his read of Koshi at the same time.
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me.
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town
On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?
he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.
Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?
asking all those questions
Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
##vote Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster wrote: This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
I believe I've sufficiently rehashed this point above where I show that Oats is stuck in his hypothetical "Koshi is town" story and doesnt address his ACTUAL read on Koshi ever. When he unvoted Koshi it was 1-line of "oh I never said that, you guys are silly" type of feeling. Totally non-committal scum posting.
Oatsmaster wrote: I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.]
Balla has already made the point that Oats' fishing for reads was scummy. Joking after the fact doesn't change that. This point in suki's case is bad. The context around this point is good evidence for why Oats is scum.
Oatsmaster wrote: So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.
Okay, so at this point I believe (and correct me if I am wrong please) Oats has established a read of "Koshi is town and was laying a trap".
Does Oats have a townread on Koshi? (at the time of his unvote) If so, why?
Finally there is Oats' actual push against me:
First, with absolutely no mention of me before this point
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
Woah there champ. Suki pointed out how this was a little over the top. There is no context, no explanation, just "LYNCH THIS FUCKER!!11!"
On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
Still no actual reasons.
On February 05 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway everyone should lynch hopeless because he started this game significantly differently from the past 2 town games he has been in.
In this post, Oats eventually and after repeated prodding from Balla refers to my entrance meta of being light hearted and joking around early on. I dont think that is a good enough reason to call me out for being a "useless piece of shit". And it takes him sooo loonnnggg to make this point, Balla was pulling teeth.
On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
Oats' accuses Balla of Chainsawing me. I disagree. Draw your conclusions based on if you think this is a reasonable point for Oats to argue OR if it seems like he is stalling and trying to pawn off the responsibility to someone else.
1) I said already earlier that when people refer to themselves playing differently as mafia, its a towntell. 2) Thats an assumption and cant be proven unless you read my mind. Is it blatently sheeping when I ask about you first instead of +1ing another guys stuff?
On February 06 2014 00:44 Koshi wrote: What is your read on me?
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote: Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
Or we came to the same conclusion independantly which says something about LM's alignment. HAH.
Do you think Im scum?
What you asked questions about Cake and Hopeless then you said the exact same thing balla said. Like you even called him hopeless shit when balla had refereed as to him doing jack shit.
Where did LM come into this. What do you think about LM.
what. Balla called cake townie, I called him null, pretty much everyone in the game thinks hopeless should die so there is that....
I asked LM the questions first and I think he is town.
This is blatant sheeping Oats. Asking beforehand makes it even more blatant. You can't deny the statement that your filter shows you sheeping thread sentiment. Furthermore, my point is more related to how you approached pushing my lynch.
Oats can you explain your read on Koshi based on his posting at the time of your unvote?
On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed- frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
How would you open a game as scum??ng is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
How would you open a game as scum?
I don't see how my answer is in any way going to be alignment indicative for this game. No comment. [/QUOTE]
On February 05 2014 13:53 Alakaslam wrote: As scum I am 10x more sensible then as town.
Peese out till I wake back up I'm working nights
Oats, analyze this post and tell me what alignment slam is.
Eagerly waiting to see his case on Oatsmaster.
Verdict: leaning scum
Oatsmaster
Early posting, especially the Koshi push, earned him scum points. Later posts are better, he's now giving reads without being asked and making some sense.
Verdict: uncertain
cakemanofdoom
Posting his opinions freely and making sense.
Verdict: town
Alakaslam
He started off being somewhat incoherent (and very incoherent when his phone was acting up) which is what I've come to expect of him. Did not like his reaction testing much, but I'd argue it's slightly more likely to come from town Alakaslam. What worries me is that he's actually being quite active and making some sense in his later posting - I've never seen him like that as town.
Verdict: uncertain, watch closely
Koshi
The fact that he's been defending me makes me suspicious. There should be no need to softly defend other townies when they're not even under imminent threat of being mislynched.
The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like:
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted.
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
jaybrundage, when you're around please explain why you decided to make your case on me instead of say Hopeless1der whose posting up to that point wasn't really any better?
I'm first to admit this is associative reasoning, but I don't like the way that cakeman has set himself up regarding Oats.
Most of the time he's arguing against lynching him, but in the back of my mind I feel like he'll just swap over whenever its convenient.
On February 05 2014 04:15 cakemanofdoom wrote: Other things about oats feel more weird than scummy. Like with his insisting that you post your opinion first, I can imagine town doing that (I would probably have trouble reading someone who sheeped me) even if I'd prefer if he were open with his thoughts.
Oats's contradiction with his stance on koshi's policy doesn't seem scummy to me. It's a bit hard to explain, I think it sorta makes sense for him to disagree with the policy, and assume that it was bad enough that it was meant to make scum slip while attacking it. Him saying that Koshi's policy was bad is a required step of explaining his thought process. Then again, I'm also not sure why he thinks town isn't just as likely to attack the policy if it's so bad.
So yeah, I'm not convinced oats is mafia, but a response from him would be nice.
And I really wanna get the super quiet people posting before lynching oats.
The last two lines here demonstrate my point perfectly.
He does a similar thing with Jay where early on, and for a decent amount of time + Show Spoiler +
On February 04 2014 12:52 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think jay's townie. Some of his posts are way wordier than they need to be imo, but I like most of his reasoning, and that seems more important than whether or not he's posting fluff.
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
"Jay is town, we probably should lynch jay" (those posts are ~24 hours apart)
And then 1.5 hours later waffles like he's at an IHOP
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
Once again: "Jay is town because...."
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched
"Jay is scum because...."
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia.
On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum
because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case.
On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum
because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case.
oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing.
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth Hopeless. Cake is always on the fence, never stating things strongly.
For example, against LoneMeow:
I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Meh. Maybe, I guess.
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way.
##Vote Hopeless1der Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi.
This whole set of comments on LoneMeow.. He wants to see more from LoneMeow, he doesn't like jay's case against LoneMeow but LoneMeow is lurking so he's ok to lynch.
He just seems like he's trying to play it safe and under the radar.
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia.
Jay never posted in between these two posts.
If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."
I'm still thinking you Oats...Koshi gets upset and says you should be reading him as town by now, so you proceed to read him as town. Seems legit. I'm willing to lynch cakeman, wont lynch LoneMeow*.
The kitten has claws. I am 100 % sure somewere Jonny says he can lynch you. Right above the post he calls me the scummiest player. Cant.quote on phone atm
@LoneMeow You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".
Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.
On February 06 2014 01:05 LoneMeow wrote: jaybrundage, when you're around please explain why you decided to make your case on me instead of say Hopeless1der whose posting up to that point wasn't really any better?
I made my case on you because your posting at that point didn't show much analysis from you. You asked a lot of questiions and gave a town read here and there. But until your big post recently your didn't appear to have any suspicions of scum.
I didn't make a case on hopeless because he hadn't posted anything since his 2 posts. Being in the thread and not making any significant contributions is different then being afk for a long period of time. When I saw that he was actively lurking however and not posted any content I placed a vote on him because that is unacceptable.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted.
Verdict: leaning scum
What was the point of this question if you agreed with me:
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff.
"Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
On February 06 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote: @LoneMeow You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".
Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.
I can see that, but town also does not want to lynch town so when uncertain some of us tend to err on the side of caution, especially when talking about relatively active players.
Again, I don't see him saying "jay is mafia" but rather that he's becoming suspicious of jay so it isn't quite as contradictory as you think.
I shall go and reread his filter in light of this case, though.
Oats is being really blase about my case. I'll try this again:
Koshi super scum for opening post:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
Koshi super scum for everything after opening post:
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Koshi totes town for opening post (This is more of an inferred read based on his response at the end of suki's case):
On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
I don't see the progression anywhere in his filter. Oats' reasoning comes down to
On February 05 2014 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote: slam is town because scum dont refer to their scumplay when playing scum unless they are playing way way differently.
In reference to this post from Koshi (second quote in this post):
On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum
because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case.
oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing.
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote: ##unvote ##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
I was suspicious of Cake man of doom. Originally he was my first suspect for scum. But when I was trying to write a case on him. I felt that he was a townie trying to figure things out as opposed to a scum. I think that his reads were flexible and changing is a good thing. As townies who can see new things and change reads are more likely to be the ones trying to figure out the game.
This post here is one that I didn't like tho. The lack of caring just set off alarms. A lynch should be something that is thought on and alot of consideration should go into it. Just dropping his vote, Not trying to figure out the alignment of the person he is voting is pretty scummy. And stands in pretty stark contrast to most other parts of his filter.
What do you think Suki?
On February 05 2014 16:58 cakemanofdoom wrote: Meh. Maybe, I guess.
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way.
##Vote Hopeless1der Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi.
The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like:
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted.
Verdict: leaning scum
What was the point of this question if you agreed with me:
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff.
"Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
It's also useful to see if you actually had something to point out or were just claiming that without any basis.
On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote: Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all.
I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play.
The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play.
@Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game?
Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?
I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.
Hopeless1def looks better, Oatsmaster worse. I still find it hard to vote Oatsmaster over Hopeless1der though just because of the difference in activity/content.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
Koshi super scum for everything after opening post:
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Koshi totes town for opening post (This is more of an inferred read based on his response at the end of suki's case):
On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play.
I don't see the progression anywhere in his filter. Oats' reasoning comes down to
On February 05 2014 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote: slam is town because scum dont refer to their scumplay when playing scum unless they are playing way way differently.
In reference to this post from Koshi (second quote in this post):
On February 06 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless why you make me feel bad about calling you scum
because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case.
oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing.
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
On February 06 2014 01:46 Balla24 wrote: Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.
Well to be honest, your brb-post did not really imply to me that you were going to make a followup so I wanted to ensure you would when you returned.
Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
On February 06 2014 01:46 suki wrote: @Jay and Oats
I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play.
The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play.
@Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game?
He was town... I don't really remember that much so looking back on it
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
I tried blatantly sheeping and got shot down Jay. I thought Oats was scum. Am I supposed to spam "OATS SCUM KILL IT" and leave it at that? I'm also not simply tunneling Oats to infinity.
You haven't actually commented on the case. Can I get your thoughts on how you feel about Oats claiming everything early on re:Koshi was just pressure?
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made EDIT a scum read to just push EDIT Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
I was thinking the same. But then he started a fresh conversation on Cakeman and that looked very good. I was just going to ask him about his other reads but it was 1700PM and had to go home.
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
He was actually asked to make a case earlier and he had promised one:
On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good.
kk first thing when I wake up.
@cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed?
I'd call him scum if he didn't make one after that.
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
Absolutely. Hopeless being gone for 24hrs is important to me. In his other games he is literally here for hours on end posting oneliner responses, questions, etc. here he was here, posting responses, then he just bailed out.
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
I tried blatantly sheeping and got shot down Jay. I thought Oats was scum. Am I supposed to spam "OATS SCUM KILL IT" and leave it at that? I'm also not simply tunneling Oats to infinity.
You haven't actually commented on the case. Can I get your thoughts on how you feel about Oats claiming everything early on re:Koshi was just pressure?
I have gone back and forth on Oats. Right now I think him pressuring Koshi for content is a reasonable explanation. Koshi hadn't posted much beyond his early policy. After that he didn't really say much. His post when he got frustrated with Oats. Showed that Oat's pressure was working and getting to him.
And thru that post Oats deemed him more likely town. The pressure had a purpose and that was to reveal Koshi's alignment and it seemed to have worked for Oats.
On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
He was actually asked to make a case earlier and he had promised one:
On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good.
kk first thing when I wake up.
@cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed?
I'd call him scum if he didn't make one after that.
Lonemeow do you not think him being asked to make one, isn't suspicious in it self? Also if your promise to make a case you better make it as either alignment or your just not playing the game at that point.
Well, did I change my vote? His cases weren't amazing. Everything that I wrote last night still stands. I like lynching hopeless or Lonemeow. Wouldn't really be surprised if cake/oats flipped scum still. Oats less and less though.
I think I'm okay with a cakeman or a LoneMeow lynch at the moment.
LM hasn't done anything. He was leaning scummy on Hopeless, but now says Hopeless looks better. He doesn't seem concerned enough to really push Koshi for being scum either, and those are the only two people that he's labelled as scummy. :\
blehhhh I really dunno, I kinda like that hopeless is taking some initiative though, I think we should wait and see. Yeah ok read through cakes filter again, could be either way but for now, I think hes scum ##unvote ##Vote cake
On February 05 2014 14:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster
I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through.
I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference.
@Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that?
On February 06 2014 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm still thinking you Oats...Koshi gets upset and says you should be reading him as town by now, so you proceed to read him as town. Seems legit. I'm willing to lynch cakeman, wont lynch LoneMeow*.
*Unless I have to in order to save myself
Then this. Could you elaborate on
1) Why you think he's town 2) Why you would lynch him to save yourself if you think he's town?
On February 06 2014 02:39 Balla24 wrote: Hopeless can you elaborate on why you would only vote LoneMeow to save yourself?
He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy".
The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII.
Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question.
On February 06 2014 02:39 Balla24 wrote: Hopeless can you elaborate on why you would only vote LoneMeow to save yourself?
He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy".
The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII.
Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question.
No it's not a silly question. If you get lynched it's your own damn fault, you don't lynch someone you think is town because of it, you push someone you think is scummy and try to convince that way.
I can show you multiple places where he is beating around the bush:
On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
Whereas you said he is not doing that. He still hasn't placed his vote. Took him ages to actually post a scum read. That's beating around the bush to me.
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die.
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
I would argue that the correct play is still to save yourself, because the only one whose alignment you know for certain is you.
My fence-sitting: can't help it. I'm uncertain about my reads.
My vote on Hopeless: I wanted to get a vote down before I slept. I do find Koshi scummy, but Hopeless was pretty scummy just for being gone for the first half of the day and barely having anything when he came back. The reasons are pretty similar tbh, I just voted hopeless since I figured I could change it now-ish if he seems townier.
Now I gotta read more carefully and decide who I want to lynch today...
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die.
I would of been happier if you felt obligated to not leave the thread for 24 hours.
You must know why your being lynched. At this point I would just get all your thoughts out. In the unlikely case that your town. Acting like its town's fault for your lynch is a bit egotistical.
On February 06 2014 03:38 suki wrote: LoneMeow, why do you think Hopeless looks better? How sure are you that Hopeless is scum since you still seem to be pressuring him?
He seems to exhibit a mindset I find pro-town lately. I'm very uncertain about him right now.
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die.
I would of been happier if you felt obligated to not leave the thread for 24 hours.
You must know why your being lynched. At this point I would just get all your thoughts out. In the unlikely case that your town. Acting like its town's fault for your lynch is a bit egotistical.
woah I never said its towns fault for lynching me. I'm not going to cite the many instances where I self-depreciate my own play by calling it scummy because I do it in damn near every game. However, Balla is telling me I should kill myself to save town the grief of reading me later. Do you agree with him? I should knowingly allow a guaranteed mislynch to occur?
Hopeless you only addressed one part of what I said. You said he wasn't beating around the bush, but I showed you multiple places where he is beating around the bush.
Do you disagree that he's beating around the bush in those quotes?
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die.
I would of been happier if you felt obligated to not leave the thread for 24 hours.
You must know why your being lynched. At this point I would just get all your thoughts out. In the unlikely case that your town. Acting like its town's fault for your lynch is a bit egotistical.
woah I never said its towns fault for lynching me. I'm not going to cite the many instances where I self-depreciate my own play by calling it scummy because I do it in damn near every game. However, Balla is telling me I should kill myself to save town the grief of reading me later. Do you agree with him? I should knowingly allow a guaranteed mislynch to occur?
If your playing the game and trying your best as town then of course you shouldn't just allow your self to be lynched. But you did kind of allow this to happen. You complete absence from the thread is very telling and the strongest part of why your getting lynched.
I will say that in some cases of lurkers it would be easier to have them modkill themselves then have to waste a lynch on them.
first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game.
second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now.
On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
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I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.
If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
In that case town sentiment is so wrong that I am obligated to keep myself alive as the sole voice of reason to salvage a terrible situation. You are wrong sir. As any faction, one should never roll over and die.
I would of been happier if you felt obligated to not leave the thread for 24 hours.
You must know why your being lynched. At this point I would just get all your thoughts out. In the unlikely case that your town. Acting like its town's fault for your lynch is a bit egotistical.
woah I never said its towns fault for lynching me. I'm not going to cite the many instances where I self-depreciate my own play by calling it scummy because I do it in damn near every game. However, Balla is telling me I should kill myself to save town the grief of reading me later. Do you agree with him? I should knowingly allow a guaranteed mislynch to occur?
I didn't say this at all. You should absolutely not roll over and die.
I was expecting 2 types of responses from you on this subject:
1. Egotistical, "i'm better than the other guy so i'd prefer having me alive" 2. Where you try to see where i'm coming from.
You went middle of the road. I don't know where that puts you. I think outright saying you would kill a someone you think is townie to save you is kinda weird. The act itself not at all. The way you explained yourself I think is ok too.
I equate waffle to beating around the bush. When LM mentions people are kind of scummy he says why. When he has reservations about someone he says why. You never have to drag it out of him. You instigated a confrontation with him at the start of the game when his meaning was abundantly clear: LM lurks hard. There is literally no other way to interpret his statement that makes logical sense in context. I would say that is your shortcoming in understanding him, not that he was being uncooperative or vague.
On February 06 2014 03:49 suki wrote: first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game.
second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now.
Nobody's getting modkilled. Not that at all.
I'm pressuring hopeless on what I think is a faulty lonemeow town read and the fact that he said he would kill somebody he thinks he's townie to save himself. I don't think a town would SAY that so early. Actually doing it much later is totally normal from both alignments.
On February 06 2014 03:49 suki wrote: first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game.
second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now.
I'm not advocating for self-modkillage.
Balla: If you've done everything you can and town still wants to lynch you, you should let them
Hopeless: No. I should save myself.
Jay: You didnt try hard enough. Why didnt you try harder Hopeless?
Hopeless: I'm hypothetically suggesting literally have a deciding vote to save myself. Should I take it?
Jay: But you shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with! ->This doesnt actually address what I said
Jay wtf can you read the argument I'm trying to address? - Yes I played scummy. I'm trying to correct that. Your argument has no place in the context of my conversation with Balla. - If I can save myself, I'm going to. It is the correct play based on the information available.
Balla are you taking issue with the fact that I brought up the point about how I'd lynch LM over myself? The context of "I want to lynch scumread, I do not want to lynch townreads" isnt clear?
On February 06 2014 03:49 suki wrote: first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game.
second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now.
Oh I agree completely. I am just being brutally honest.
No I never said that was the sole reason. It's a big part of the reason tho. Other things are
Him coming back in the thread sheeping thread sentiment and trying to get Oats lynched
Writing up a case only when forced too instead of bring his own reasons initially
Actively lurking
Do you think these are valid reasons to lynch someone suki?
I think the same can be stated of cake and LoneMeow who both have been really noncommital in their reads and who haven't really been contributing (aka active lurking).
Hopeless does come back into the thread sheeping Oats, and I called it out. However, his case against Oats was well-written. His case against cakeman also mirrored my thoughts on cakeman that I was in the middle of writing a case on.
If the biggest reason why he's scum is that he was missing for 24 hours then I'm afraid I can't justify lynching Hopeless over cake and LoneMeow today.
On February 06 2014 03:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Balla are you taking issue with the fact that I brought up the point about how I'd lynch LM over myself? The context of "I want to lynch scumread, I do not want to lynch townreads" isnt clear?
I'm taking issue with the fact that you said it so early when it wasn't even close to coming to a situation like that yet. I don't know why you felt the need to add that you would lynch him to save yourself at that point in time. It wasn't even close to lynch time.
To me, it's kind of like some sort of weird slip of information bias.
Regardless, we've said enough about the subject. Like I said your followup is ok so.
On February 06 2014 04:03 jaybrundage wrote: @Hopeless Oh, I wasn't addressing your hypothetical situation in my post. But yes if you could save your self and your town you should take it.
Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth.
Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman?
Here's two things to look at regarding Cakeman. In this game people were suspicious of Cakeman on d1 for the same reasons hopeless pointed out in his case. Cakeman was town, was not lynched and end gamed the scum. The qt should give you some insight into cakeman's thinking.
On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Once again: "Jay is town because...."
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched
"Jay is scum because...."
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia.
Jay never posted in between these two posts.
If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."
LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself.
From the linked game.
On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.
I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.
On November 01 2013 05:30 cakemanofdoom wrote: At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched.
July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time.
He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind.
On February 06 2014 04:03 jaybrundage wrote: @Hopeless Oh, I wasn't addressing your hypothetical situation in my post. But yes if you could save your self and your town you should take it.
On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy? That doesn't make sense at all.
You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?
Hopeless's case on me seems pretty well thought out... Feels like he's trying to find scum, not just trying to kill off a random townie
Don't know what to think of his case on oats. I feel like I can understand most of oats's thought process. But oats has done some kinda weird things.
Overall the effort makes me unwilling to lynch him.
LM: I thought his questions were pretty good ones to ask. And he has pretty reasonable-seeming opinions on lynch targets now.
Koshi: He had a policy that he didn't follow up on, he had a big case on Jonny that he didn't stand by. So what's left? -Casually calling Hopeless the best lynch, following thread sentiment. Then backing off after hopeless posted. -Voting LM.
On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy? That doesn't make sense at all.
I don't see the problem with posting his thoughts on people he's watching/thinks might be lynched, it lets us know where he's at. Also, the question makes sense from the perspective of town trying to figure stuff out. It's reasonable to wonder why jay picked one lurky player over another. It's not like LM could have defended his own lurkiness there, anyways.
I think Koshi's just trying to make up reasons to sound original as he votes a fairly easy target.
So overall, I see nothing from Koshi except a poorly-reasoned vote on LM, a lot of short posts that I didn't get anything out of, and a policy/case that he retracted.
On February 06 2014 04:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Here's two things to look at regarding Cakeman. In this game people were suspicious of Cakeman on d1 for the same reasons hopeless pointed out in his case. Cakeman was town, was not lynched and end gamed the scum. The qt should give you some insight into cakeman's thinking.
On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Once again: "Jay is town because...."
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched
"Jay is scum because...."
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia.
Jay never posted in between these two posts.
If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."
LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself.
On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.
I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.
On November 01 2013 05:30 cakemanofdoom wrote: At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched.
July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time.
He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind.
Agreed with Jonny. I played in that game as well and saw the same thing when I read that game. I thought he's doing a tiny bit MORE waffling here, but there's nothing overly different from this game to that game like I said earlier in response to suki.
On February 05 2014 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam JonnyLaw (1): Koshi jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage Koshi (0): Oatsmaster LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage
Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Jonny is the latest "foot in mouth" candidate. I dont see any discussion of Jay between the two posts I cite Re:cakeman. (2nd last on page 23 and 12th on page 24)
On February 06 2014 04:11 Balla24 wrote: Hey suki,
Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth.
Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman?
Hahaha.. The same thing happened last game. People started defending themselves and posting cases that I thought, 'hey, that sounds reasonable'.
I just lack the confidence to play this game well I guess.
Like, I just read Jonny's defense of cake and it sounds fine to me. Cake hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but his play feels like it could be scum motivated. Before Jonny posted his defense of cake I was going through who I would rather lynch between cake and Lonemeow and I came up with both of them equal. They both are just staying on the fence and don't feel like they're scumhunting.
##unvote ##vote LoneMeow
A point against LoneMeow, I don't see why LoneMeow hasn't voted yet even after being asked multiple times.
On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy? That doesn't make sense at all.
You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?
I'm an idiot. Underlined canceled votes in that count.
Anyway if I'm not mistaken LM set to be lynched and votes are all over the place. Let's try and get some consensus.
Anyway brb filtering koshi and lm.
Cakeman I really expect to hear some defense from you about the cases and some input on someone or I'm going to feel like a giant fucking jackass for defending scummers. I said at the beginning of the game don't make yourself lynch bait. You're going from lynch bait to nervous town in these last two hours you've been here and not commenting when you're clearly up for being lynched.
@Jonny the revelation that cakeman had a seeming change-of-heart based on nothing doesn't do it for you? I follow your argument that he has had a similar playstyle in other games, but he literally chases after his own tail here with no outside influence.
Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 05 2014 21:32 Koshi wrote: Cakeman, just ignore that first post I made... There was no Master Plan when I wrote that. I just wrote it...
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
On February 05 2014 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam JonnyLaw (1): Koshi jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage Koshi (0): Oatsmaster LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage
Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
From what I can tell, the main point against me is that I'm on the fence about a bunch of my reads. There's nothing I can really say to that besides the fact that I just wasn't absolutely sure.
It's a fairly valid point though, so attacking me is probably more towny than not.
And I was walking to a class that starts in 7 minutes. I can't be on 7-57 minutes from now, I'll be able to follow/ post from phone after that. 20 minutes or so after that I'll be on my comp again
On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
Quick forum search seems to say he's only played one game before this and he was town in that one.
Are you calling him scum now? After defending him so vigorously earlier? What changed your mind?
On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
Quick forum search seems to say he's only played one game before this and he was town in that one.
Are you calling him scum now? After defending him so vigorously earlier? What changed your mind?
No, I'm getting pissed off if he's here and not saying anything still. Not having good reads and I'll be back soon make sense to me to be honest.
I didn't like your case when I read it then saw votes flying at cakeman. That's why I made that defense. I'm still leaning town with his last post.
Koshi's case against Jonny wasn't very good, however the way he admitted the case was bad and seemed embarrassed about it read town to me.
I think Koshi's self-analysis was townie.
I feel that he has no reason to say that he reads cake as being blue if he's scum. This is one of the points that made me really doubt my case against cake because I have a history of mistargetting blues :<
His hunting scum activities have been a big case against Jonny, a vote and pressure against Hopeless, a short bit of analysis and a vote against LoneMeow. This is more than cake or LoneMeow's contributions I feel.
My thoughts on LoneMeow's case against Koshi:
On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote: Koshi
The fact that he's been defending me makes me suspicious. There should be no need to softly defend other townies when they're not even under imminent threat of being mislynched.
The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like:
On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:
On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started.
On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games.
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.
In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted.
Verdict: leaning scum
LoneMeow leaning scum on Koshi because he can't read.
On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote: Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all.
Leaning scum because he can't read but it's not strongly alignment-indicative.
On February 06 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell.
On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy? That doesn't make sense at all.
You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?
On February 06 2014 01:50 suki wrote: Koshi, what do you think of cakeman?
tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier.
This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really?
##Vote: Koshi
I don't see Koshi as having seen LoneMeow as town for the early game. He spent a lot of time explaining that LoneMeow has a low post count and was waiting on contribution.
Not spending a lot of time on someone you think is town isn't a scum tell.
Honestly your reasons for thinking Koshi is scum are weak, LoneMeow.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
So slam is town for me.
Heh, I remember my first newbie game I yelled someone was scum for a bbcode error
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose.
Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind.
LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.
Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose.
Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind.
LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change.
I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too.
##unvote ##vote LoneMeow
Where'd hopeless go?
He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch.
hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose.
Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind.
LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change.
I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too.
##unvote ##vote LoneMeow
Where'd hopeless go?
He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch.
I'll look at Jay again LM.
This is very true. Maybe he needed a break after our pretty silly argument.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.
Take this for example:
On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.
Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.
Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet
Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.
Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.
But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.
I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.
Vote: LoneMeow
jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.
if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.
He's freely giving out reads and doing things. This just isn't the Alakaslam I've played with before when he was town. The thing is, people change playstyles so I don't want to call him scum just yet, it's just that this change worries me.
The point is that in previous games he seemed like a total scum-Alakaslam when he was actually town, so now that he does not play like that I'm bothered.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
If he is then compile something, if not then what are you posting this about in the first place.
I totally understand what you are TRYING to say, but you need to just come out and say it. He has a few posts where he's pro-town non trolly sharing reads and whatever, but for the most part he's pretty trolly and non-sensical and cryptic. Which is town slam. So for the most part, I see him as town slam.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:32 JonnyLaw wrote: lm what do you think of hopeless?
I had him as scummy earlier, then he looked better with increased activity and posts that made sense to me, but the fact that he's disappeared now that the pressure on him has lessened is really suspicious. I can lynch him if I can't get any traction on Koshi.
On February 06 2014 05:33 Balla24 wrote: So you think he's scum or what LoneMeow?
If he is then compile something, if not then what are you posting this about in the first place.
I totally understand what you are TRYING to say, but you need to just come out and say it. He has a few posts where he's pro-town non trolly sharing reads and whatever, but for the most part he's pretty trolly and non-sensical and cryptic. Which is town slam. So for the most part, I see him as town slam.
I don't think he's scum, he's "null but watch carefully", and I want to talk about him with others because it helps me read both you and him, to some extent.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Why, thank you- I guess this is working
Anyhow my rea on jaybrundage.
If he saw my trap a mile away, why did he still go trip it? Why didn't he post like balla24 and/or point out it was a trap? Why does he want me to think he is scum- as either alignment?
@Jay you mentioned that you thought cakeman changing his mind and seeing new information was a townie trait. He did so regarding you with literally no new information. Why is that a townie mindset?
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
This is such a bad post. Just wow.
O.o is explaining my thought process a bad thing?
It just reads incredible wrong. Red bells everywhere.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.
On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.
Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.
Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet
Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.
Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.
But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.
I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.
Vote: LoneMeow
jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.
if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.
He's freely giving out reads and doing things. This just isn't the Alakaslam I've played with before when he was town. The thing is, people change playstyles so I don't want to call him scum just yet, it's just that this change worries me.
The point is that in previous games he seemed like a total scum-Alakaslam when he was actually town, so now that he does not play like that I'm bothered.
This is a legitimate concern if anyone is wondering. Read "Extractor trick mafia" for an example. Or "Back to the Basics".
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.
Take this for example:
On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.
Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.
Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet
Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.
Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.
But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.
I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.
Vote: LoneMeow
jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.
if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.
He's freely giving out reads and doing things. This just isn't the Alakaslam I've played with before when he was town. The thing is, people change playstyles so I don't want to call him scum just yet, it's just that this change worries me.
The point is that in previous games he seemed like a total scum-Alakaslam when he was actually town, so now that he does not play like that I'm bothered.
This is a legitimate concern if anyone is wondering. Read "Extractor trick mafia" for an example. Or "Back to the Basics".
Why are you arguing that people should be taking him seriously when he's calling you mafia...
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.
Take this for example:
On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.
Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.
Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet
Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.
Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.
But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.
I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.
Vote: LoneMeow
jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.
if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.
He's freely giving out reads and doing things. This just isn't the Alakaslam I've played with before when he was town. The thing is, people change playstyles so I don't want to call him scum just yet, it's just that this change worries me.
The point is that in previous games he seemed like a total scum-Alakaslam when he was actually town, so now that he does not play like that I'm bothered.
This is a legitimate concern if anyone is wondering. Read "Extractor trick mafia" for an example. Or "Back to the Basics".
Not voted: (1): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1) If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, LoneMeow is set to be lynched.
I may be a bit late for the nightpost. The deadline will be at 21:59 GMT (+00:00) as normal. Votes on that time will stil count, but they won´t if they were after that. Please be silent until I can make the daypost once the deadline has been reached.
Cake man is going to keep reminding me of cakepie, a bit of a vet. He seems "quiet", with regard to thread presence. He is kind of foggy.
So people Dinnae even want to think about why jay would do what I just did?
"Hmm I see something I think is designed to make me look scummy (and apparently poorly crafted at that), let's go do exactly what it is trying to make me do anyway"
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 05 2014 21:32 Koshi wrote: Cakeman, just ignore that first post I made... There was no Master Plan when I wrote that. I just wrote it...
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D
On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote: That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
This I do agree with.
Not sure what to make of him overall.
Why, thank you- I guess this is working
Anyhow my rea on jaybrundage.
If he saw my trap a mile away, why did he still go trip it? Why didn't he post like balla24 and/or point out it was a trap? Why does he want me to think he is scum- as either alignment?
Yet he claims my stupid trap was blatant?
Your "trap" was stupid. It was I'm gonna post random votes that look scummy and see who notices. Everyone who is currently in the thread is going to notice and should call you out. Scum can call you out or town. Its not alignment indicative. While finishing my post asking about your random switches. I thought to my self hes going to probably making some dumb "its a trap guys hurr durr" post.
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts.
Good job summarizing? You basically posted what i said. If you want to analyze it go for it. But don't act like that's an explanation for your vote. How does trying to figure out who i want to lynch make me scum?
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 05 2014 21:32 Koshi wrote: Cakeman, just ignore that first post I made... There was no Master Plan when I wrote that. I just wrote it...
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 05 2014 21:32 Koshi wrote: Cakeman, just ignore that first post I made... There was no Master Plan when I wrote that. I just wrote it...
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1.
On February 06 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Also, I defended you like mad in the game we were masoned as town. Why do you forget that and paint it scummy this game?
you were mod confirmed mason? Or was this LXIII?
Also I read your case on Jonny as pointing out a progression of "LM totes town" to "I could lynch LM". Jonny never actually gets all the way to the end of that progression. This is the post that is closest to saying he'd lynch LM, but that is only to plant the thought that its a possibility, not that he'd actually do it:
On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him.
Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
@Jay That was all the content and direction you provided the thread in each of those reads. You fluffed up your posts with votecounts (which is scummy on its own btw) and you aren't pushing your own lynches, you're just casually floating along with the thread. It reads like "look at me I'm here and posting and want to help." without actually doing productive things.
On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote: @Alakaslam
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts.
That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum.
On February 06 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote: @Jay That was all the content and direction you provided the thread in each of those reads. You fluffed up your posts with votecounts (which is scummy on its own btw) and you aren't pushing your own lynches, you're just casually floating along with the thread. It reads like "look at me I'm here and posting and want to help." without actually doing productive things.
Posting vote counts is a null tell. I want the thread aware of where we are in regards to lynching someone and the host wasn't keeping it as up to date as i would of liked.
I originally posted the case on Lonemeow. WTF are you talking about?
I then wanted to get on you because your scummy for reason I have posted.
On February 06 2014 05:58 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you have to make me want to lynch jaybrundage. If I accept him being scum I must be wrong about both you and Koshi being scum...
LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum.
On February 06 2014 05:58 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you have to make me want to lynch jaybrundage. If I accept him being scum I must be wrong about both you and Koshi being scum...
LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum.
Well it's not totally impossible, but Hopeless1der is actually pushing for jaybrundage lynch in a situation where it may actually happen and Koshi is also kind of advocating it.
I seriously doubt Hopeless1der is scum if jaybrundage is. In Koshi's case it's a bit more likely since he's only implied he would be up for lynching jaybrundage later.
Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote: @Alakaslam
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts.
That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum.
Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking.
Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not?
On February 06 2014 06:08 jaybrundage wrote: Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
On February 06 2014 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner.
Kind of, but I don't think it's correct. I see where it's coming from. But he's not calling you SCUM because you post more cases and whatever, he's calling you a possibly good scum player. He's calling you scum for the content you produced and the way you handled yourself early game.
On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote: @Alakaslam
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts.
That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum.
Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking.
Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not?
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
This is totally bogus reason for wanting to lynch someone over someone else. Priority for town is lynching the scummiest player, not "someone who could be strong scum player".
On February 06 2014 06:08 jaybrundage wrote: Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
How is jay not aware of this when he gives cakeman a townread after the discussion about him?
On February 06 2014 03:15 jaybrundage wrote: Where is cake? I would like him to be able to defend himself if hes a candidate to get lynched.
Hopeless If you get lynched today what would your prediction for a scum team be? Can we get a vote count?
Here he clearly knows that cakeman is up for discussion, but he claims to have not looked up on why that was just now...
On February 06 2014 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner.
Kind of, but I don't think it's correct. I see where it's coming from. But he's not calling you SCUM because you post more cases and whatever, he's calling you a possibly good scum player. He's calling you scum for the content you produced and the way you handled yourself early game.
I can see that side of things but to me he's fearmongering the thread into lynching me because I suddenly became active and potentially readable. I dont like it because if anything he should be able to get me lynched based on the content I have produced, not the threat that I'll be able to fool people. The mentality doesnt sit right.
On February 06 2014 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote: ^ Reasons why Jaybrundage's vote on LoneMeow looks convoluted and bandwagony.
Oh btw here was the case on Lonemeow I made. You know how i was first to vote him and create a case on him. I would of spoilered it or put a link but apparently you missed it the first time. Your reasons for my vote looking bandwagony is pretty idiotic : /
Lonemeow
I want to lynch lonemeow. He claims that people should be judged on the content. But he doesn't bring much to the table. As a preface I was originally planning on pushing Mista Cake but going over his filter I felt that he was actively trying to figure out the game so I abandoned that suspect and looking over filters and players lonemeow caught my eye.
He starts off the game with a post saying basically he doesn't post much and it doesn't seem like he plans to change. However the point of these policy discussions is that we should be striving to post more. Not even making an attempt at trying to improve his town play is scummy to start with.
On February 04 2014 07:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Half the game won't meet those requirements. Being nice is too hard. People are lazy.
Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious.
Who isn't going to meet those requirements?
You've played with me before...
Here lonemeow is basically setting himself up to lurk the rest of the game. Content and Number of posts go hand in hand. If you only post 3 things a cycle your not gonna have much content. Even if your put alot of information in those posts it doesn't replace the ability to talk reads out with players and converse. And lets be honest Lonemeow doesn't even put alot in the few posts he has.
On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.
Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Here is a classic scum post ask a question with out putting any content. Do you think this makes X town or scum? That's it. Notice that LM also comments on this because he was mentioned in the previous post. He does this more often then not making a comment on something if he is involved at all. He doesn't really care about reads. He just wants to appear to care.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
So here is Lonemeow's I would say one of his top posts. Which looking at the content is pretty disappointing. He says jonny gets hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when he is town. Ok great some new information. Chiming in on someone's tell's when there town while may appear helpful. Is easy to do as scum as they already know the alignment of said person. Of course as you can see in the second part of the post. Lonemeow notices that he is mentioned so he tries to defend him self.
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.
Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
I give him a point in the scum collomn.
Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.
He's generally very hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when town, though, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
I find it suspicious that he is angry about me "fucking off" then right in the next post says you're probably not posting because you're asleep - we both have country tags visible so he should've applied the same logic to figure out that I was probably also sleeping.
Asking another question with no content. Also notice that the subject is about lonemeow as he doesn't usually venture to give much input on other topics.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote: What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote: I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T
Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
Yes hopeless1der not posting for a day after 2 contentless posts is bad. I think we all can agree with that. Easy to say as either alignment this as it is very obvious.
He gives leaning town read on cake. Who is freely posting. Again easy to give town reads as scum. They know who is town already. Then he defends himself again. Showing that he just wants to defend himself. That's his biggest goal this game. To try to not post much content and make sure he can slide by.
On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.
Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
So in summary I think Lonemeow is posting with the intention to remain unreadable . He has posted largely all questions with out interjecting much of his own opinion in the thread. He gives town reads but never suspects anyone as scum to date. He doesn't seem to want to be encouraged to post more although this can only produce more content for town which makes him easier to read and helps the town. When I made a post directed at lonemeow to try to set a goal for himself to post more often and with content. He completely ignores it. He rather just try to slide by with out posting content and make himself not readable.
It all started on a dreary and slow day 1 of scum hunting. This post is the beginning of Jay sheeping town balla.
Jay entered the thread with this post. Jay instructs town how to play. He wants to establish himself firmly as the pro-town town leader. For the rest of the game I don't see him hunting scum.
On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote: Wassup guys. Koshi's baseline is post often. That simple. I prefer we don't get spammy and post mass one liners (As I tend to do sometime giving my current thoughts) But try to know what you are saying when you post as well. Have a clear intention.
We DO need to have pressure to make people who usually lurk (whether they be town or scum) post more often. So I like the guideline in general. So lets try to aim for 40 as a benchmark why not.
Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
On February 04 2014 09:27 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla's played a few games Jay. Did his vote on LM then leaving strike you oddly?
This isn't even worth discussing anymore. No one's being lynched for having 39 quality pro-town posts. It's a fine benchmark.
I liked his vote on LM. I noticed earlier when i was going thru some players in the mafia database that his name wasn't anywhere. And his opening seemed like he wasn't new.
Then he talks about filtering a lot of players in the game yet only tunnels onto sidesprang out of all the other players who have lurked in past games. Reference my post from yesterday if you want more details.
You entered the game and started pressuring people balla. Jay entered the thread and started getting cozy with you. It worked.
Suki or Balla, what do you make of the fact that Jay literally reposted his old case without updating it based on anything else that LoneMeow has done?
I still don't want to lynch LM or Hopeless right now. LM looks like he's trying really hard to figure the game out right now. Hopeless seems to be making sense.
Need to decide whether I want to lynch jay or Koshi right now. Jay's been looking worse and worse since his decent beginning. But I still don't see how Koshi's town.
On February 06 2014 06:28 jaybrundage wrote: @jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt.
I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town.
I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play.
Hmm. Rereading jay's filter, I don't think the problems are that bad. He does have some opinions in there, and he's pretty reasonable while discussing right now.
Meanwhile Koshi still seems scum. He has little effort in his cases/pokes as far as I can tell - his stuff on hopeless seemed to be a sheep of oats, his stuff on Jonny was retracted because it was made without reading carefully enough, and I don't like his reasons on LM. Plus he doesn't seem to be here figuring stuff out.
On February 06 2014 06:28 jaybrundage wrote: @jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt.
I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town.
I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play.
T_T. The more and more I read the less and less comfortable I feel with him.
On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote: ##unvote ##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
I was suspicious of Cake man of doom. Originally he was my first suspect for scum. But when I was trying to write a case on him. I felt that he was a townie trying to figure things out as opposed to a scum. I think that his reads were flexible and changing is a good thing. As townies who can see new things and change reads are more likely to be the ones trying to figure out the game.
This post here is one that I didn't like tho. The lack of caring just set off alarms. A lynch should be something that is thought on and alot of consideration should go into it. Just dropping his vote, Not trying to figure out the alignment of the person he is voting is pretty scummy. And stands in pretty stark contrast to most other parts of his filter.
On February 06 2014 06:37 cakemanofdoom wrote: Though I'm not sure why jay reposted his case on LM. I didn't like it that much in the first place, and LM's only been seeming more town since then.
I posted it to make a point. Hopeless was acting like I just jumped on Lonemeow with no reasoning or thought of my own. Which is untrue. I do agree with you that Koshi is pretty scummy. I'm not sure about hopeless anymore. He seems to have alot of passion which is indicative of town.
I do that, Balla... I get a bad impression, then I look into the person more and solidify my opinion while making a case on them. Like that phrase about LM I forgot to delete and you found scummy. I had a bad feeling, was going to try and make a case, and then I decided LM didn't look particularly bad for a lurker.
This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
This progressing is incredibly unnatural:
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow
Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.
Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me.
On February 06 2014 06:43 suki wrote: I like my vote where it is.
I also think valid points are being raised against Jay and will look at him closer after the lynch.
Not cool suki...There is still 15 minutes to look at things. Why won't you actually look at Jay now, especially when he is voting for the same person you are?
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
Also it's intresting that Oatsmaster's vote is safely parked outside the major wagons and he's nowhere to be seen. I'd look closely into that after the lynch.
Hm seeing that you still care about this game makes you not as likely scum I am not the scum your looking for however. I do understand your trying to get me lynched to save your life.
I'm going to be switching to Koshi as him not caring seems pretty indicative of scum.
##Unvote ##Vote Koshi
On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
This progressing is incredibly unnatural:
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow
Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.
Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me.
I have convinced myself he's scum.
##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage
I had the impression that he always had you as a lynch target. Since his case on you.
So why doesn't he mention me in the first quote where he talks about other possible lynch candidates and switching? That's just weird.
On February 06 2014 06:48 jaybrundage wrote: Hm seeing that you still care about this game makes you not as likely scum I am not the scum your looking for however. I do understand your trying to get me lynched to save your life.
I'm going to be switching to Koshi as him not caring seems pretty indicative of scum.
On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
This progressing is incredibly unnatural:
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow
Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.
Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me.
I have convinced myself he's scum.
##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage
You know switching to Koshi gets you lynched right?
On February 06 2014 06:48 jaybrundage wrote: Hm seeing that you still care about this game makes you not as likely scum I am not the scum your looking for however. I do understand your trying to get me lynched to save your life.
I'm going to be switching to Koshi as him not caring seems pretty indicative of scum.
##Unvote ##Vote Koshi
On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
This progressing is incredibly unnatural:
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow
Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.
Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me.
I have convinced myself he's scum.
##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage
You know switching to Koshi gets you lynched right?
On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum.
This progressing is incredibly unnatural:
On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.
I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.
I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow
Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.
Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me.
I have convinced myself he's scum.
##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage
I had the impression that he always had you as a lynch target. Since his case on you.
This seems reasonable but jay had nothing to do with LM gaining traction, lumps himself in with the crowd and then when he's called out on it he points back to his severely outdated case and says "what now?" Your case shouldn't hold the same merit it did yesterday as it does today and he JUST addressed that point and has moved his vote onto Koshi.
And admittedly Koshi's afk looks bad but I can't reconcile Jay to a town mindset right now.
I didn't want to reveal my self but I was worried I would be lynched should of did a vote count first but I wasn't sure if i could do it all in time and didn't want any last minute switches
what do I do. I have a stronger townread on LM than on jay. I'd prefer lynching Koshi over jay. But it doesn't look like Koshi's getting lynched, and jay claimed doc.
On February 06 2014 06:56 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote lonemeow
Your last posts, including the koshi switch don't make scum sense.
You better be docta jay.
Do NOT vote me. His claim is fake because I am the doctor. If you still do not believe and lynch me, look extremely closely into the people who tried hard to get people to switch.
On February 06 2014 06:56 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote lonemeow
Your last posts, including the koshi switch don't make scum sense.
You better be docta jay.
Do NOT vote me. His claim is fake because I am the doctor. If you still do not believe and lynch me, look extremely closely into the people who tried hard to get people to switch.
On February 06 2014 06:54 cakemanofdoom wrote: what do I do. I have a stronger townread on LM than on jay. I'd prefer lynching Koshi over jay. But it doesn't look like Koshi's getting lynched, and jay claimed doc.
Easy solution for me: lynch Koshi.
Explain how LM has been looking more townie cuz I don't see it.
On February 06 2014 06:56 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote lonemeow
Your last posts, including the koshi switch don't make scum sense.
You better be docta jay.
Do NOT vote me. His claim is fake because I am the doctor. If you still do not believe and lynch me, look extremely closely into the people who tried hard to get people to switch.
SWEET We got confirmed scum here. This is great :D
LoneMeow the Doctor has been lynched! It is now Night 1! You have until Thursday, Feb 06 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to send in your night actions. Day 2 starts at Thursday, Feb 06 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember to make use of your coaches! Some QT's are awfully empty. Your coaches are valuable resources.
Say hello to Aquanim! He replaces in for Sidesprang.
On February 06 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla why you ever doubt me?
Heh. I didn't actually. You have no idea how hard I was wrestling with myself on jay before the doc claims came falling down. I was like... man jonny's reads are always fucking amazing, and i'm almost 100% sure he is town, but i really dont want to lynch jay atm.
On February 06 2014 07:54 cakemanofdoom wrote: Wait wtf LM was actually doc? I thought it was way too unlikely that the other lynch target besides the first doc claim would be real doc O.O
Why didn't you vote... I was pretty confident LM was going to flip scum and it was going to make you look amazing.
When jay claimed I didn't believe him. But then he was an un-CC'd doc claim, and I wasn't sure if it would retarded to vote him.
I still had a stronger townread on LoneMeow at the time, though. So I had no clue who to vote for. So I stuck with Koshi, who I thought was scum independently of this whole doc thing.
Then when LM claimed I just went wtf, because I thought it was way too improbable for him to actually be doc. I was considering voting LM for that... but time ran out while I was thinking.
Basically, my brain malfunctioned because I had no clue what to do :/
Cakemanofdoom could have hammered in either direction here. He must have had extreme vote awareness (which I didn't) to not do so if he is scum. That or he didn't feel comfortable hammering jay when he already took a stance on LM (calling his claim shit).
Oatsmaster afk, alakaslam afk, sidesprang afk. There might be a scum within oats/sidesprang. Slam not so much, as he afk voted a scum and set a trap that caught a scum.
Jonny is pretty much confirmed town how he pushed JB all day. I can't fault anybody voting on LM because JB's claim looked legit as fuck, and LM looked scummy as hell all day whereas JB just looked townie all day. With that said, out of Koshi/Suki I think Koshi is the scum. He didn't care at all about how the lynch was going but then suddenly when the claims start happening he's there to back JB's claim up. Sure it looked legit, but where were you the rest of the time? This looks bad:
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
This is such a bad post. Just wow.
O.o is explaining my thought process a bad thing?
It just reads incredible wrong. Red bells everywhere.
Which set Jonny off back on his crusade to lynch jaybrundage. Then he didn't follow up AT ALL and just dissapeared. I'll look more into it but that's just my initial thought.
Hopeless1der is looking good too. This is more like cakeman, but in this case he actually voted for JB. If he's scum, he must have had MASSIVE voting awareness to risk voting his scummate like this. Moreso than cake, who wasn't risking his scummates life.
Oh and I think it goes without saying that we 100% ignore everything JB says from now on.
Guys, I've made a horrible mistake. When I rerolled the blue roles, I forgot to inform Jay that he had been rerolled to town. Consider this a modconfirm that he is in fact town. If you believe the integrity of this game has been too heavily compromised, please send me a PM. If there is a bigger demand for a restart (in which alignments would also be rerolled of course), I will restart the game instead. If not, the game will continue with Jay as an Innocent Child. Please do NOT provide feedback on this in the thread. Use PM's.
Cakemanofdoom could have hammered in either direction here. He must have had extreme vote awareness (which I didn't) to not do so if he is scum. That or he didn't feel comfortable hammering jay when he already took a stance on LM (calling his claim shit).
Oatsmaster afk, alakaslam afk, sidesprang afk. There might be a scum within oats/sidesprang. Slam not so much, as he afk voted a scum and set a trap that caught a scum.
Jonny is pretty much confirmed town how he pushed JB all day. I can't fault anybody voting on LM because JB's claim looked legit as fuck, and LM looked scummy as hell all day whereas JB just looked townie all day. With that said, out of Koshi/Suki I think Koshi is the scum. He didn't care at all about how the lynch was going but then suddenly when the claims start happening he's there to back JB's claim up. Sure it looked legit, but where were you the rest of the time? This looks bad:
On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
This is such a bad post. Just wow.
O.o is explaining my thought process a bad thing?
It just reads incredible wrong. Red bells everywhere.
Which set Jonny off back on his crusade to lynch jaybrundage. Then he didn't follow up AT ALL and just dissapeared. I'll look more into it but that's just my initial thought.
Hopeless1der is looking good too. This is more like cakeman, but in this case he actually voted for JB. If he's scum, he must have had MASSIVE voting awareness to risk voting his scummate like this. Moreso than cake, who wasn't risking his scummates life.
Oh and I think it goes without saying that we 100% ignore everything JB says from now on.
Koshi's post gave me hope he'd lynch Jay and never switched. I have my candidate for d3 lynch.
Not really. Random townreads are scummy but random town reads on your scum partner is pretty crazy. Especially as your first post being referencing your scum partner is pretty crazy.
On February 06 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I've made a horrible mistake. When I rerolled the blue roles, I forgot to inform Jay that he had been rerolled to town. Consider this a modconfirm that he is in fact town. If you believe the integrity of this game has been too heavily compromised, please send me a PM. If there is a bigger demand for a restart (in which alignments would also be rerolled of course), I will restart the game instead. If not, the game will continue with Jay as an Innocent Child. Please do NOT provide feedback on this in the thread. Use PM's.
On February 06 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I've made a horrible mistake. When I rerolled the blue roles, I forgot to inform Jay that he had been rerolled to town. Consider this a modconfirm that he is in fact town. If you believe the integrity of this game has been too heavily compromised, please send me a PM. If there is a bigger demand for a restart (in which alignments would also be rerolled of course), I will restart the game instead. If not, the game will continue with Jay as an Innocent Child. Please do NOT provide feedback on this in the thread. Use PM's.
On February 06 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I've made a horrible mistake. When I rerolled the blue roles, I forgot to inform Jay that he had been rerolled to town. Consider this a modconfirm that he is in fact town. If you believe the integrity of this game has been too heavily compromised, please send me a PM. If there is a bigger demand for a restart (in which alignments would also be rerolled of course), I will restart the game instead. If not, the game will continue with Jay as an Innocent Child. Please do NOT provide feedback on this in the thread. Use PM's.
You mean rerolled to VT?
He was Doctor and then he was rerolled to a standard town role. I forgot to inform him, having thought I made it clear that everyone was being rerolled, when I hadn't properly done so.
Scum have indicated that they would prefer a restart. The game will be restarted tomorrow at the same deadline time. Everyone will get new roles and/or alignments. My apologies to the players for messing this up.
The new thread has been posted. If you would like to opt out of playing the restart, please inform me. Otherwise I'll presume you're in for the new game.
But yeah, I think it's the right decision, however upset I am that it's happening.
I think both sides would be pretty demotivated after that. Town just lost their doc for no mafia, the lynch was on two townies so it really didn't mean shit as far as relationships go. Town was pretty boned after that. Mafia probably felt like they were boned too since they only had 2 people and they were massively confused as to what just happened.
On February 06 2014 08:30 jaybrundage wrote: Nice Balla we totes had Hopeless1der. And I also wanted to switch to Koshi from Lonemeow. I DONT SUCK :D
I do.
I really felt like you were playing godlike scum and I caught you being clever.
That's perfectly understandable given the circumstances, Jonny. Don't hit yourself over the head too hard for it. Also, players are free to talk about their coaches now as it's no longer going to be alignment indicative.
On February 06 2014 08:42 jaybrundage wrote: I wanna ask a question. Was I really scummy. Cause I thought I played well and I would like someone to point out how i was scummy
No you were good. Too good 4 jonny.
Too much advice though. And scum hunt more. A lot of people were just scumhunting by posting cases and not doing anything else.
On February 06 2014 08:42 jaybrundage wrote: I wanna ask a question. Was I really scummy. Cause I thought I played well and I would like someone to point out how i was scummy
Aww, don't feel bad. I think you put a good amount of effort and did well, at least initially.
I think after the 24hr mark the thread was kind of a mess (even to I that was reading). I did find it kind of hard to read it (and I wasn't even reading filters), so it's understandable if you got all over the place, or didn't have enough time to focus on specific players, or specific aspects of your play, etc.
Also, at worst blame me Maybe my advice was too much of a change of your regular playstyle. Changing playstyles like that is not a perfectly smooth process, specially when everybody else is super aware and pressuring every single little thing you do
The town this game was pretty strong btw. Just good reads overall, in the end the lynch was on 2 towns but I am pretty sure that this would have been a close game in lylo.
On February 06 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: So LoneMeow has now been lynched twice as a town Doctor because someone who is not a real doctor claims doctor as town. Man.. that's harsh!
yep gonzaw. That game was the most hilarious game ever. + Show Spoiler +
2 scum dead on D1.
I had a huge rant with Mocsta about picks and roles which went something like; I said: "Let's assume i am #3 in draft and pick CPRdoc. I get vanilla. Both #1 and #2 guys do not look like town CPRdoc. I know mafia has the role, and that's in top 2 picks. If i claim vanilla does it help or not?" Now that's exactly what happened. Instead of claiming vanilla i rofl'd and tried to breadcrumb the sirtuation to Mocsta at the end of N1 and bait scum into shooting me as i was vanilla. That worked! Except that deconduo used the janitor and i didn't flip anything so Mocsta did not get the crumb.
Also Bill Murray picking justice vig as scum (rofl) and getting a role that was injustice vig (ROFL!!!).
On February 06 2014 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: yep gonzaw. That game was the most hilarious game ever. + Show Spoiler +
2 scum dead on D1.
I had a huge rant with Mocsta about picks and roles which went something like; I said: "Let's assume i am #3 in draft and pick CPRdoc. I get vanilla. Both #1 and #2 guys do not look like town CPRdoc. I know mafia has the role, and that's in top 2 picks. If i claim vanilla does it help or not?" Now that's exactly what happened. Instead of claiming vanilla i rofl'd and tried to breadcrumb the sirtuation to Mocsta at the end of N1 and bait scum into shooting me as i was vanilla. That worked! Except that deconduo used the janitor and i didn't flip anything so Mocsta did not get the crumb.
Also Bill Murray picking justice vig as scum (rofl) and getting a role that was injustice vig (ROFL!!!).
Dont forget. I shot Deconduo so the results never came out hahah
Also don't forget that Keirathi claims a green check on austin, and a minute later MZ nukes austin because he has not read the thread. Obviously everyone of those people is town.
He even misspelled austin's name but BC allows the nuke anyways.
Edit: Okay maybe this is not the right place to discuss old games, so let's stop. Edit2: Oh maybe this is after all, i somehow thought this was the new game thread.
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of the pregame chat. 
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