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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 05 2014 13:53 Alakaslam wrote: As scum I am 10x more sensible then as town. Peese out till I wake back up I'm working nights Oats, analyze this post and tell me what alignment slam is. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On February 05 2014 14:17 Hopeless1der wrote: my scumplay is full of lurk. when my activity (read as content) cranks up, I'll be confirmed town, right? it will probably lead to a town read, yes. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through. I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference. @Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless. I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now. LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo. Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
After posting my 'perfect sheep' post I went back and read the past few pages again and I actually really hate Oat's case against you. I'll look at him again in the morning as I'm really tired right now, but just my general impressions on his play from his defense post onwards gave me a gut feeling of town on him. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I went and looked at a bunch of jay's past games. As mafia, he makes excuses for himself a lot. He's very self-conscious. in the past three scum games that i found, he made sure to mention right at the beginning that he is always mislynched as town and plays up that fact as if to say, don't mislynch me. He tends to find scum faster, vote more freely and with less explanation. As town he doesn't apologize. He likes to policy talk and take it easy early on, but when he latches on to someone he ends up writing up a big case more often than not and voting his suspect. Based on this read I think that jay is town. He's a lot more easy going from the start, doesn't make excuses or seem self-conscious. He asks a lot of questions and is generally wary about calling people scum which is directly against his scum meta. His long post against LoneMeow with the vote at the end is distinctly his town style as well, I feel. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
What do you think of Oats, his defense and his case against Hopeless? Is Hopeless scummy enough that you'd vote him? I'd appreciate if you place your vote somewhere. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted? On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:18 suki wrote: On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. kk first thing when I wake up. @cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Oats's defense seems pretty meh. I was never really convinced of the cases against him in the first place. Actually, where did he get that suki thought hopeless was town? Oh, and I'm not sure about his case on hopeless. Looks like mainly meta, and I'll admit I didn't go look up hopeless's games. Seems weird to me that oats is convinced that hopeless is mafia when hopeless had made almost no posts. That could be a bit scummy... So overall on oats, I think he's null/weird. I think we thought similarly about Koshi's policy, but his defense of jay had no reasoning and I don't know about his case on hopeless. I'm still reluctant to vote jay. He's pretty active, his earlier posts were logical and seemed to push town in the right direction. But more recently I'm not as sure that he's town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Cake, am I only allowed to attack people who have made a lot of posts? In fact, how can you call my push on hopeless bad when you havent even read the evidence supporting it? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
There are no super obvious townies right now. There are a LOT of question marks. I was feeling obvious town for jay, but he didn't really get there from what I was expecting. The scum are probably: Hopeless1der, Lonemeow Hopeless is just lurking. He clearly isn't motivated by the early policy talk like he said he was. He isn't scumhunting. He isn't doing anything. This post stands out to me as similar to his scum games: On February 04 2014 09:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Jay, let me slippery slope this argument. Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline". How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible. How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now? + Show Spoiler [Scumgames] + From acme: On November 01 2012 07:46 Hopeless1der wrote: In case people feel the need to argue with prplhz on miller claims: 100% the right course of action. If you're OP does not contain a miller claim in it, I'll policy lynch you if you claim it later on. (Catching-up to thread post leeway if you claim in your 2nd or 3rd post that's fine) On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, being facetious is awesome. Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you? On November 01 2012 09:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Well, it's going to end up keeping them alive through the nights, at least from NK's. Claiming/fakeclaiming miller is confirming that you will return red if you are investigated, so it saves the DT's a target to check in that sense. Miller's are likely to end up vigged or lynch just before lylo, because we can't take the risk at that point, but it could also compel them to scum-hunt a bit harder if people are always nursing suspicions about a fakeclaim. The biggest thing is that if any mafia want to fakeclaim miller, they have to do it NOW. It cannot be in response to a DT check or if you're about to be lynched (and to be honest, I wouldn't believe an "omg i'm about to be lynched" miller claim anyways). I guess that could be useful? It's at least something to go by to help solidify a read. However... Do scum get fake/safeclaims? Mason Claims - I think are a bad idea. Mason's get stronger as the game goes on. I'd rather they write last wills of some sort to confirm each other in case on dies/is about to be lynched, and their pm logs are going to be proof enough in most cases. Miller Claims - I think are a good idea. From Newbie XX: On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. + Show Spoiler [Town games] + Extractor Trick On January 04 2014 03:05 Hopeless1der wrote: 1a2a3a? On January 04 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote: 20524821 mod10 is 1. I should have defined player 10 as 0 but that should be self-evident. 1) kushm4sta (filter) 2) alakaslam (filter) 3) Gumshoe (filter) 4) Hopeless1der (filter) 5) Raynpelikoneet (filter) 6) coagulation (filter) 7) [UoN]Sentinel (filter) 8) Yamato77 (filter) 9) thrawn2112 (filter) 10) Mr. Cheesecake (filter) Sorry kush, nothing personal. BlazingHand's rules and all ##Vote: kushm4sta (p.s. vote thread incase anyone misses it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439579#2 SMB On January 16 2014 09:59 Hopeless1der wrote: sn0man is like a cloud. or a snowman. white and fluffy. On January 16 2014 10:08 Hopeless1der wrote: yes kush. thank you for teaching me. so good. you clearly have towns best interest at heart. On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote: considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. On January 16 2014 12:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) vote your target 2) actually call them scum 3) explain why they are scum sn0 get you head out your ass before its removed permanently. LXIV On January 11 2014 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Bow before hopeless1der, leader of towns, gatherer of reads, destroyer of scum. Feed me your prowess in the game of mafia. Show me your skill. Reveal your alignment to me that I might save you from the putrid grip of scum. Vote me as your mayor and all shall be revealed. On January 11 2014 09:18 Hopeless1der wrote: P.S. I'm moderately afk / phoneposting. Still make nr mayor kthx. @BH that's cool and all, but we got rayn, BC., VE, Marv, yamato, and me who are all going to try to get mayor. maybe a couple more people too. Lynching kush isn't going to cut it. I'd like to appeal to any vig's to not go hero mode and just do what's best for town by clearing out lurkers for us. If you want someone killed for being scummy there's a lynch for that. On January 11 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: BH I can totally read kush. Also you hosted extractor trick. Wtf? Thrawn I thought we were cool bro what gives?why you gotta lynch me? In his scum games he seems content to discuss policy, whereas in his town games he seems to be uninterested in it and want to move past it. I can definitely see how Oats would say he is more lighthearted compared to this game. He says his entrances to the last games were different because he wasn't here at daypost but he was here not long after daypost so I don't see how this makes a difference. He basically says self-meta analysis is stupid, but then does it anyways, and calls himself scum with it by saying he lurks a lot as scum which is exactly what he's doing . LoneMeow doesn't seem interested in this game in the slightest. He's very self-absorbed and doesn't seem interested in finding out people's alignments. He's just sitting back, asking seemingly useless questions. He seems like he wants to call me scum, but never does, and never calls anyone else scum. He justified his lurking by saying he lurks a lot as either alignment. Here's where he asks a question to Koshi, expecting an answer one way and not getting it: On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? There's other empty questions like this: On February 04 2014 19:44 LoneMeow wrote: Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic? Where he never elaborates on what he thinks. None of the stuff in his filter is really scum hunting, it's just generic easy questions that don't have pretty simple, easily explainable answers. He's basically only interested in other people's reads, I have no idea what his reads are besides the implication that he thinks i'm scum. These people could die, i'd be fine with that: Koshi, Oats, Cakeman Koshi's play so far is pretty un-inspired. Either he is misreading a lot of the thread or purposefully misrepresenting what people are saying. The latter indicates scum and the former null, but the former seems to be what he is showing for two reason: (1) He admitted that his case on Jonny wasn't good which shows that he is self-concious about what he is posting and (2) The whole argument where he realized my vote on LoneMeow was for a different post than he originally thought shows that he wasn't reading carefully in the first place. What oatsmaster and jonny brought up about him though is quite true, why did you suggest the policy thing in the first place if you aren't going to follow up on it or conclude anything from the discussion around it? Interested to hear more from him. Oatsmaster was scummy, but he did bring new information to the thread on Hopeless and seemed interested in taking part of the jonny vs jaybrundage argument and bring new information there when necessary. Also, like Jonny and I said. It's totally within his bounds to play like this as both alignments by looking at his meta, so he's pretty null now. He'd be my 3rd lynch priority. Cakeman is lurking. He seems to post very little when he is not addressed directly. Suki also pointed out earlier how he claimed "koshi's policy" was the most relevant thing in the thread without giving his opinion on it. I thought that was normal at first, but later on he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing? Why is he worried about that? Koshi wasn't even pushing it at all really and even dropped it completely at that point. I'd like some clarification there. I also don't like how he addresses half a case seemingly without even reading the other half of it and not doing so until prodded for more information. Jonnylaw is town so far. So is Suki and Jaybrundage Jonnylaw is standard jonnylaw. Aggressive. Abrasive. Bringing new information to the thread. Attacking fringe targets that nobody else is looking at. Thinking the thread revolves around him when he is there. Declaring me as the most readable of all the players in the game. Stubborn. All of this is classic jonnylaw. Even though I don't like his case on JB at all and how he continues to vote on it. It all fits with what I know of his town game. I don't know enough about his scumgame so he could be totally playing me. Suki and jaybrundage are constantly thinking the same thing as me. Suki is trying to bring new information to the thread whenever she can and also committing to things she says. Jaybrundage is actively trying to get people not to lurk so that they are readable. It seems like he will be a great asset moving forward, and if he's not then I will be surprised. Both are pushing pro-town stuff. Jaybrundage needs to get more active on the bringing information to the thread and less active on the advice front if he wants to earn the "towniest town that ever towned" title that he deemed himself worthy of. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Can't really explain my first impressions about the push. Hmm... actually, it's probably just that I don't like relying on meta. I'm not convinced that hopeless has to start his town games the same way. | ||
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