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On February 05 2014 13:03 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 11:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games? Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it. If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing? Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes. I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess. What's the point of hiding it? Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?
Whats your read on hopeless?
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Im coming back to the hopeless case I will probably be making but I want to clarify a few things first.
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On February 05 2014 13:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:03 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 11:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games? Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it. If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing? Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes. I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess. What's the point of hiding it? Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it? Whats your read on hopeless?
See here:
On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote:
JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
His entry meta doesn't make him scum to me. It's significantly different, but from the past 3 games he's played all his entries have each been significantly different from each other don't you agree?
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I wasnt aware I had an established "entrance" meta. Oats, I wanna see this, please respond. Don't worry I'll OMGUS to your hearts content.
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On February 05 2014 13:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
I wasnt aware I had an established "entrance" meta. Oats, I wanna see this, please respond. Don't worry I'll OMGUS to your hearts content.
Wow so your actively lurking instead of posting something with content.
##Vote Hopeless1der
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On February 05 2014 13:18 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
I wasnt aware I had an established "entrance" meta. Oats, I wanna see this, please respond. Don't worry I'll OMGUS to your hearts content. Wow so your actively lurking instead of posting something with content. ##Vote Hopeless1der
im still reading. go away.
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oats you just dont get my sense of humor. Or your scum. And I'll be honest I'm leaning on scum, but I'll get to that when I actually finish reading the thread properly..
[excuses]
I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me.
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On February 05 2014 13:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
oats you just dont get my sense of humor. Or your scum. And I'll be honest I'm leaning on scum, but I'll get to that when I actually finish reading the thread properly..
[excuses]
I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me.
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So you disagree then? All the entrances are the same?
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No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
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On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.
If you don't post something I'll vote you too.
What do you think of LM, oats and Jay?
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On February 05 2014 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah so no, LXIV and SMB he entered mostly the same way, really lighthearted and jokey posts. Here, he is super serious from the get go with a snarky sarcastic comment at koshi's policy. And he started questioning people and shit, here it looks like he is trying to avoid attention. Its SOOO DIFFERENT.
Thank you! Finally.
It is different. I said that. I don't agree that he isn't light-hearted with the sarcastic comment to koshi though, I think that's pretty lighthearted. From what I can, the main difference is his activity. I agree with that. Maybe trying to avoid attention, maybe not. I see him dissapear and lurk a bit from LXIV, and from both of his scum games, but not in SMB.
Have you looked at any scum games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&user=hopeless1der
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=Hopeless1der
These were a long time ago, but still. I'd definitely agree that from meta he looks scummy. In those 2 games he briefly talks about policy like here, then nitpicks someone then dissapears. Here he doesn't really nitpick but dissapears.
There's definitely some resemblance...
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On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?
You see as I do
Khassa 'di templari
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On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me. How would you open a game as scum?
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On February 05 2014 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me. How would you open a game as scum?
I don't see how my answer is in any way going to be alignment indicative for this game. No comment.
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Jay keeps making me think he is scum and Balla doing the same now
My reads are acting like a pendulum
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dodging questions, clearly scum right guys?
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I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.
I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.
I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh.
Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.
He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why
On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping.
Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
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Not really lol ^_^
Self-meta analysis is useless, he's right. I'd prefer he elaborated on his reads.
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