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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I addressed the part of the case against oats I felt most strongly about. The rest, I wasn't as sure about so I'd have preferred for oats to come in and address them himself. Then I was asked about them so I answered. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing". Can you clarify/rephrase? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement. Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore. 1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will. 2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured. 3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless. 5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion. I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy. Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed. Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us. So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone. Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they? Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people, | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh. On February 04 2014 23:59 Koshi wrote: Tomorrow. Today, people can post freely. Without worry. Nobody is watching. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:50 cakemanofdoom wrote: I didn't think hopeless was town, ever. I couldn't read him because he had almost no posts. I might need to read hopeless's town games I guess, but just in general I'm not really convinced that two games one way means the next has to be the same way. Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia. Well generally same alignments means the same start. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way. ##Vote Hopeless1der Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, JonnyLaw (1): Koshi jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage Koshi (0): LoneMeow (0): Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I slept till now and got to work. Have caught up and Hopeless is the best lynch for today. I played with him in resistance and smb and he had in both games way more thread presence than here on D1. ##unvote ##vote: Hopeless | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
##Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Why do you refuse to play this game? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
tl;dr 1) Initial read on Koshi is scum. Diverts into hypothetical "koshi laid a trap". Doesnt address actual read on Koshi. Read changes to Koshi is town for no apparent reason. 2) Terrible progression of his scumread on me. Blatantly sheeping thread sentiment and then pushes my lynch with vague statements. When pressed to expand on his reads he dodges for a fair amount of time then finally comes up with something that in my opinion should not give someone such a strong scumread. I'd call it a forced case onto an easy mislynch target. Full Case spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like koshi's policy shit though, it makes it easy for scum just to avoid it and lynch a townie that doesnt give a shit Koshi's policy is bad On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy. Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone. Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. There's 2 things here: 1) Koshi's policy is so bad that he is scum 2) Koshi's badness was actually bait FOR the scumteam (i.e. Koshi totes town) Now it seems that 1 follows 2 because Koshi didn't follow up on his bad policy. Because of his "shitposting" after his first post. There's a bunch of no-context one-liners in Oats' filter where he goes back and forth with Koshi. This starts on Page 12, the majority is on page 13. On February 04 2014 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 good post doesnt make the rest not shitposts. Do you have a conclusion about what people said about your policy? Since you apparently did it to create discussion, you must have some kind of idea what you think about the people that commented on it either positively or negatively. Its important to realize that this is in the context of responding to Koshi saying his policy was not useless. This isnt a contradiction to earlier yet. On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. Okay now I think Oats has stuffed his foot into his mouth. Read his emphasis here and compare with the second post I've quoted where Oats explicitly states that Koshi STARTED off bad and continued to post poorly. [b]Oats has completely flipflopped on story where his initial read on Koshi goes from A - "Koshi is/was scum" into B - "Koshi was laying a trap" On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one.  I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play. Oats is right, he never said the policy was good. He also never really came around to the fact that Koshi was likely town either. How did Oats arrive at the conclusion that Koshi was town?] I don't see the progression in his reads. I see him commenting on his initial reactions a lot and saying how he thought Koshi could be laying a trap at first. HOWEVER, since Koshi didn't follow up, he was convinced Koshi was scum. --->Where did this reasoning change or go away? Oats is content to just bandwagon on to me because thread sentiment will let him. He doesn't need to stick his neck out. I wouldn't mind the switch onto me except that he avoids fleshing out his read of Koshi at the same time. Suki's case / Oats' internal response: Oatsmaster wrote: This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point. I believe I've sufficiently rehashed this point above where I show that Oats is stuck in his hypothetical "Koshi is town" story and doesnt address his ACTUAL read on Koshi ever. When he unvoted Koshi it was 1-line of "oh I never said that, you guys are silly" type of feeling. Totally non-committal scum posting. Oatsmaster wrote: I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.] Balla has already made the point that Oats' fishing for reads was scummy. Joking after the fact doesn't change that. This point in suki's case is bad. The context around this point is good evidence for why Oats is scum. Oatsmaster wrote: So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case. Okay, so at this point I believe (and correct me if I am wrong please) Oats has established a read of "Koshi is town and was laying a trap". Does Oats have a townread on Koshi? (at the time of his unvote) If so, why? Finally there is Oats' actual push against me: First, with absolutely no mention of me before this point On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch. Woah there champ. Suki pointed out how this was a little over the top. There is no context, no explanation, just "LYNCH THIS FUCKER!!11!" On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play. Still no actual reasons. On February 05 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway everyone should lynch hopeless because he started this game significantly differently from the past 2 town games he has been in. In this post, Oats eventually and after repeated prodding from Balla refers to my entrance meta of being light hearted and joking around early on. I dont think that is a good enough reason to call me out for being a "useless piece of shit". And it takes him sooo loonnnggg to make this point, Balla was pulling teeth. On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Oats' accuses Balla of Chainsawing me. I disagree. Draw your conclusions based on if you think this is a reasonable point for Oats to argue OR if it seems like he is stalling and trying to pawn off the responsibility to someone else. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
2) Thats an assumption and cant be proven unless you read my mind. Is it blatently sheeping when I ask about you first instead of +1ing another guys stuff? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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suki
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