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On February 04 2014 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
Like prome, what are you doing now? I've already posted and it's been stated that Artanis' post is clearly alignment unindicative (the why's included) so why is your first real post to only ask that question to marv who has also been reading the thread. It's a useless rehash.
1. agreeing with that point
2. getting marv to state his opinion
2a. like wave I 'caught' marv early in shadow and did dick about it. I'm choosing to be more on his nuts because he is a powerful ally or an insidious enemy and I'd like to know which.
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On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.
Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.
Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).
Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.
So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia
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On February 04 2014 11:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. This is constantly not true though.
No but I think it is true more often than it is not true.
That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments.
So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town and seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.
Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips.
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Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb.
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia
It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.
Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?
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If the last person who did it was town, why does that make Artanis a reasonably good lynch in this instance?
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It means he didn't bother to think about it Prome. That's what you draw your conclusions from.
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On February 04 2014 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb.
then why didn't you learn anything from it.
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On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?
That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.
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On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true.
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia
Yeah that is true. I hadn't thought of it like that. I think in general though bussing is less valuable in this setup than in general. Cause if you bus the flip is hidden flip and you don't get all that juicy town cred.
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On February 04 2014 11:24 marvellosity wrote:
It means he didn't bother to think about it Prome. That's what you draw your conclusions from.
But that just makes him bad. I thought about it like tow days ago and figured I wouldn't mention it in thread in case I rolled scum and got to use my super gosu strat. Fuck but I wish I rolled scum. I keep having premonitions before games that I will and I keep not rolling scum and I keep having no idea how to even play scum its been so long.
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Then you drew your conclusion. Good!
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On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true.
It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated.
Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia.
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On February 04 2014 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. This is constantly not true though. No but I think it is true more often than it is not true. That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments. So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town a nd seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.
Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips.
DP, the issue I have is that everything I've bolded feels/sounds extremely premature.
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On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.
Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?
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On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?
Play nice.
That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.
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On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?
then we would know cephiro is scum.......
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maybe you haven't thought about this at all prom.........
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