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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
On January 22 2014 18:02 Booom3 wrote: What do you plan on doing with ZvZ? Just keep it the way it is (few lings into muta every single game) or break the cycle and make other things viable in the matchup? Maybe the team wants to preserve the BW feel where only JaeDong will be able to win consistently. | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
I know idra tt1 and beastyqt have streamed a lot anyone else consistently streaming ? where can I watch good matches ? | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
On January 23 2014 00:53 KDot2 wrote: wheres the best place to watch starbow ? I know idra tt1 and beastyqt have streamed a lot anyone else consistently streaming ? where can I watch good matches ? You could try going into a Starbow channel (EU and NA both have them set up with lots of players looking for games) and asking others to observe games they may play. Reminds me of the 1v1 play/obs days back in BW ^_^ | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation596 Posts
On January 23 2014 00:53 KDot2 wrote: wheres the best place to watch starbow ? I know idra tt1 and beastyqt have streamed a lot anyone else consistently streaming ? where can I watch good matches ? Crank and Kangho were streaming also, maybe there are records of the broadcasts on their channels, | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
it is the other way around. It lasts 6 seconds instead of 4. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On January 23 2014 01:28 Big J wrote: yeah, I wish there would be something changed about ZvZ. The matchup feels incredibly bad currently, though, I believe if mutas would be pushed back or maybe even completly pushed out of the matchup it would have extreme potential... lurker/hydra wars with overseer/scourge/viper support... (just theorycrafting, no clue how it would really play out) mutas seem very strong in every match-up though | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 23 2014 02:30 Grumbels wrote: mutas seem very strong in every match-up though yeah, but in the other matchups there are units to deal with them properly, wether the metagame works out like that or not is ofc to be observed. But in ZvZ you are basically left with your own mutalisks and some scourges, since hydras only have 5.43 dps against them. (less than a single marine without stim (6.52dps) for basically double the money) Like, the list of Zerg antiair units is: Queen --> needs to be enraged, can't really be used offensively, strongly limited amount hydralisk --> explosive damage is very weak vs mutas; and needs at least the speed upgrade (and probably the range upgrade) to be of any use against mutas scourge --> ok to trade vs mutalisks, but can be outmicroed and forces you into similarily timed spire play as well; mutalisk defiler --> comes way to late devourer --> comes way to late Like, just the theory how to deal with mutalisks in the midgame as Zerg isn't even there, compared to Protoss who have stalkers and corsairs. Or Terran with marines and goliaths. Tuning the mutalisk down may be the right choice for the other matchups, but Zerg needs something fundamental if ZvZ "macro" should ever stop to be just about mutalisks. | ||
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HaRuHi
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SolidSMD
Belgium408 Posts
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kardynal
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On January 23 2014 02:57 Big J wrote: yeah, but in the other matchups there are units to deal with them properly, wether the metagame works out like that or not is ofc to be observed. But in ZvZ you are basically left with your own mutalisks and some scourges, since hydras only have 5.43 dps against them. (less than a single marine without stim (6.52dps) for basically double the money) Like, the list of Zerg antiair units is: Queen --> needs to be enraged, can't really be used offensively, strongly limited amount hydralisk --> explosive damage is very weak vs mutas; and needs at least the speed upgrade (and probably the range upgrade) to be of any use against mutas scourge --> ok to trade vs mutalisks, but can be outmicroed and forces you into similarily timed spire play as well; mutalisk defiler --> comes way to late devourer --> comes way to late Like, just the theory how to deal with mutalisks in the midgame as Zerg isn't even there, compared to Protoss who have stalkers and corsairs. Or Terran with marines and goliaths. Tuning the mutalisk down may be the right choice for the other matchups, but Zerg needs something fundamental if ZvZ "macro" should ever stop to be just about mutalisks. seems like u never played BW | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Just because it was in BW doesn't mean it can't be improved, ZvZ was lame and repetitive in BW. Starbow <> SC2BW | ||
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Quakecomm
United States344 Posts
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
Regardless of whether or not he played BW, I think he's addressing a legitimate concern Starbow should be looking at. The point of Starbow wasn't to remake BW but to create an expansion to BW which allowed more options ('Additional content for a broader metagame"), and right now ZvZ appears to not be much different from how it was in BW. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23064 Posts
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
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Jagoti
Germany24 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/dragon vs. http://www.twitch.tv/tt1 http://www.twitch.tv/destiny vs. http://www.twitch.tv/eghuk | ||
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Taru
France88 Posts
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