EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 294
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 01:24 Mig wrote: I don't have a lot of time before I have to leave for the day but I will try to look into vayne before I go. My main thought about him is that I am really convinced that Risen is mafia. Risen's posts just have too much bs. And at the end of the yesterday look how incredibly hard Risen tried to save himself. He didn't give a fuck who he voted out he just wanted to survive. He tried to get multiple bandwagons started, he had no problem voting pandain/rayn he said bc was scummy yet threw out the idea of saving him. And then there is BC's play to save Risen right at the end. So many things point to Risen as mafia. And if Risen is mafia then Vayne is 99% not mafia. You having these feelings is fine. When I flip town, and I'm going to get lynched before lylo it is inevitable, what are you going to do? Don't give me these "OMG HE'S SO BAD HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN" nonsense answers. What are you going to do when I flip town? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 02:15 Mig wrote: If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also. Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting. I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch. If it was so obvious what Pandain was trying to do why was I NOT the only one confused/concerned about the whole situation. If anything, YOU look scummy as fuck for not being confused/concerned by that whole thing. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 02:40 Mig wrote: Btw another thought SS is 99.99999% town please do not lynch him. Look at the relationship BC tried to set up with SS during the lynch. BC starts posting his reads and shit right before the end of the day acting super townie. He tricks SS completely, SS is super sad and crying that BC is about to die. BC then half asks to be pardoned with like 2 min before the end of the day. They set it up perfectly if they were both mafia SS could pardon him and try to argue his way out of it. But SS didn't and then when BC switched his vote to pandain SS freaked out and immediately asked everyone if he should pardon rayn/pandain. SS also asked me in our QT if he should pardon them. This combined with his log with bc day1 + his role claim. There is seriously almost no way SS is mafia. For SS to be mafia they would have had to plan so much shit out and SS would have to react perfectly on the fly. Posts like this make my scumdar tickle a mighty amount. Am I the only one who sees the possibility that everyone knew ss and BC would be lynched back to back following a pardon? SS even says it openly in thread. Why are you trying to push this agenda of ss totes town? Scummy scummy scummy. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Mig. Lynch the dudes in his list, win game. You are a lylo lynch waiting to happen, sir. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:14 Risen wrote: You are a lylo lynch waiting to happen, sir. Nope. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:14 Holyflare wrote: Both he and i are masoned with ss and ss did not protest when i said anything about it, as everyone thinks ss is town pandain must have been telling the truth about what went down and so no confusion, that was already explained So I'm the ONLY one in the thread who found the logs suspicious? Really? FUCK NO I WASN'T. There were so many people who were asking about the interactions in QT. I'm not even the one who started harping on the disconnect in pandain/ss logs or the pandain calling ss a liar KNOWING THAT SS WOULD PROBABLY GET LYNCHED BECAUSE PANDAIN OPENLY SAID SS ALTERED THE LOGS. LATER, Pandain comes in and says "Oh I just said that to hide my vet status from scum". So it's BULLSHIT to say that the situation was clear. The situation was murky as fuck, anyone who knew what the fuck was going on had more information than they should have had. Mig is scummy as shit for this. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I'm going to be gone before then, and I'm strongly considering voting myself tomorrow so town will take deep, hard looks into mig/HF/VA/Grack. Who did Mig's vig shots hit, again? Was it Mig who killed Mocsta or Artanis or something I can't remember. Because I see someone who is a claimed vig shooting two townies thus far. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:20 Risen wrote: I'm going to be gone before then, and I'm strongly considering voting myself tomorrow so town will take deep, hard looks into mig/HF/VA/Grack. Who did Mig's vig shots hit, again? Was it Mig who killed Mocsta or Artanis or something I can't remember. Because I see someone who is a claimed vig shooting two townies thus far. I think Mig is town. Scum having two, two shot vigs? Seems legit. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(2) The scummiest thing I can find from him is the Bloodyc0bbler for mayor vote (3) Mig accounts for KP we cannot explain. If you think he is mafia, you think mafia used a 2-shot vig to hit sharrant and mattchew. When mattchew was called scummy by a bunch of people. Mafia has NOTHING to gain from NKing mattchew when he is such a nice mislynch for later, and mig shot him. (4) Read (3) again. Read it again, but backwards. Now stand on your head and read it. Mig isn't mafia. (5) I thought about putting posts in qt CALLING MIG SCUMMY TO TRY AND SAVE HIS LIFE TONIGHT GONNA TRY TO MAKE HIM SCUMMY BLAH BLAH but it's just not possible. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote: (1) Mig is very very very unlikely to be mafia. (2) The scummiest thing I can find from him is the Bloodyc0bbler for mayor vote (3) Mig accounts for KP we cannot explain. If you think he is mafia, you think mafia used a 2-shot vig to hit sharrant and mattchew. When mattchew was called scummy by a bunch of people. Mafia has NOTHING to gain from NKing mattchew when he is such a nice mislynch for later, and mig shot him. (4) Read (3) again. Read it again, but backwards. Now stand on your head and read it. Mig isn't mafia. (5) I thought about putting posts in qt CALLING MIG SCUMMY TO TRY AND SAVE HIS LIFE TONIGHT GONNA TRY TO MAKE HIM SCUMMY BLAH BLAH but it's just not possible. Then I'm in a very, very real spot of trouble since Mig is going to want me dead the rest of the game. He's not the only one, either. Scum can just not shoot me and even if I'm saved tomorrow I'm a mislynch waiting to happen and scum is in control of when that trigger gets pulled. If scum keep me alive to lylo I will be lynched and we will lose. So I think I need to be lynched tomorrow. I'm going to state it in no uncertain terms right now. Tomorrow I will be voting to lynch myself. You should lynch me as well because this is going to dominate conversation and will be WAY too easy for scum to manipulate the rest of the game. It is unfortunate that we have to waste a lynch, but it is what it is. If there is ANY town kp left, please kill me. Having said that, it should now be assumed by everyone that I will be lynched tomorrow and I will flip town. From this point forward assume that I have flipped town. What are your reads going forward? How does that change how you view people you thought were town? This is not a joke, and I am not martyring. I am voting to removing myself so that mafia cannot use me against town throughout the remainder of the game. For those of you who will say "omg scum risen would totally want the conversation tomorrow to be completely off course for a whole day". You have a point, but I think removing me is worth that risk and you can still get very good information from an entire day of posting. Are there people defending me too hard? Why? Are there people trying to divert the lynch from me? Why? For now focus on me flipping town, and go through your reads very carefully. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:23 Risen wrote: If both ss and pandain are scum, we had, of people who have played a good bit longer than meAnd god fucking damnit how do you not consider the possibility that Pandain AND SS are scum? EVERYONE thinks ss is town? Really? You trying to create that narrative here? Like holy fuck I'm open to the possibility that every single person in this game could be scum. I get shouted down as paranoid because I leave open situations in which I could be wrong about my reads. It's scummy as fuck to say "X is town". How do you know? VE/BH assassin SS/BC/Pandain scum mig/coag/(risen?) town Useless speculation is that such a setup feels mildly weighted in favor of scum, which maybe it is if town has 4 billion KP, as you tend to not look particularly townie and coag ...I dunno, seems to often be lurky. Useless speculation is that I don't think scum fake THAT MANY mason logs, or bother doing THAT MUCH masoning on D1, as SS/BC/Pandain all involved in masonry. Useless speculation is that, if ss is mafia, 80% of his posting from D2 and D3 is how oats is scum because ss is RB and blocked KP and because oats is scum, BC is town, because scumBC knew ss was going to rb oats. I don't think that scumss ties himself THAT HARD to scumBC. He has no real reason to do so. He could build a more convincing case - on either a juicier target than oats OR on a scummier target than oats, imo, someone who was more discussed during N1. The choice of oats for the target of scumSS/scumBC trying is wonky, not right, doesn't fit. That last bit isn't just speculation, that's a real thought and I don't understand the SS/BC/oats interaction there if ss is mafia. Useless speculation, if pandain/ss are both mafia, then why does the vet claim/altered logs/no alter stuff go down like it did? They don't really need to do that. pandain can be mad at ss that he posted vet, he can say "yeah, i'm vet", he can do whatever. Instead, they ... they fumble a handoff. ss has no idea what's going on, and his posts read like he has no idea what's going on. If you read ss's posts about pandain's claim, he seems LEGITIMATELY uncertain what people are talking about. scumpandain/scumSS situations mean that ss would know exactly what was going on. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
IF YOU WANT TO DIE AND ARE TOWN, DO IT AFTER WE KILL A FRIGGIN' MAFIA. YOU ARE 100% NOT A GUARANTEED LYNCH TOMORROW, AND THRAWN IS A NICE LYNCH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT AND WHAT YOU DO. Nobody cares either way about your "woe is me, kill me now" posting. So knock it off. We find mafia, we lynch mafia. Then you can commit seppuku or whatever you want. You have no idea what happens tonight, who dies, whether if ss is town he ACTUALLY BLOCKS SOMETHING AND WE ALL SPLOOGE AND HIGH FIVE AND THE GAME IS SUPER SUPER NICE TOMORROW. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:20 Risen wrote: I'm going to be gone before then, and I'm strongly considering voting myself tomorrow so town will take deep, hard looks into mig/HF/VA/Grack. Who did Mig's vig shots hit, again? Was it Mig who killed Mocsta or Artanis or something I can't remember. Because I see someone who is a claimed vig shooting two townies thus far. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k3PJJh9.jpg) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Why are you posting water labels in a mafia thread? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote: 4.2% Why are you posting water labels in a mafia thread? I come from Palm Springs and that's a fruity little number And risen was being a cherry picker | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 24 2013 04:48 austinmcc wrote: and his attitude of this + Show Spoiler +Risen is being a very hard person to try and defend. I don't understand this as either alignment. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DhKkJKI.jpg) | ||
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