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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 23 2013 17:05 GMT
#5841
On November 24 2013 01:59 Mig wrote:
Austin, Risen did absolutely NOTHING the entire game until he was close to being lynched. He faked that he didn't really care and oh well town is bad guess I get lynched. He then proceeds to fucking post 100 times in the last few hours. He tried to get a train started on Oats, he tried to get a train started on HF. He voted rayn and voted pandain at one point as well. I mean are you reading his reasoning for any of this? He proceeds to say I am possibly mafia because I am giving my reads during the night lol. He also said my shot on mattchew was scummy (so did BC).

Seriously go through Risen's filter and timeline and explain to me why he is town. He brought so much chaos to the thread around lynch yet tried to claim he was making things better (lol). He has multiple posts where he just attacks like 10 different people trying to see if anyone will agree with him and latch on so he can get a train started to save himself. His entire play around lynch looks like very good scum play.
I think that thrawn is mafia. Agree with you there.

IF coag and LM are mafia, risen voted oats instead of pandain. If pandain is town, mafia passed up a chance to lynch a vet, despite probably REALLY wanting to do so, because the next time they lose a mafioso, they only have 1 KP.

I'll add his filter to my list of stuff to really go through.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#5842
Also, austin, I think LM's responses are fine. It looks like it has a thought process (even if he doesn't specifically say it at some points, eg. "I think bla bla looks good if bla bla flips scum" but I'm interested to know why he's so active in there giving those responses to your questions rather than posting those ideas to the town in general? He has a complete lack of contribution and is witholding that information until someone specifically asks him. He's also just posting thoughts and if it was early in the day before you had really started to do much then he isn't trying to work out your alignment at all.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 23 2013 17:13 GMT
#5843
On November 24 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
Also, austin, I think LM's responses are fine. It looks like it has a thought process (even if he doesn't specifically say it at some points, eg. "I think bla bla looks good if bla bla flips scum" but I'm interested to know why he's so active in there giving those responses to your questions rather than posting those ideas to the town in general? He has a complete lack of contribution and is witholding that information until someone specifically asks him. He's also just posting thoughts and if it was early in the day before you had really started to do much then he isn't trying to work out your alignment at all.
No clue on his activity, was happy to have him active somewhere and was gonna post log, so I mainly just wanted to get and keep him talking.

Fe fi fo fum.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:15 GMT
#5844
If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also.

Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting.

I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 23 2013 17:19 GMT
#5845
On November 24 2013 02:15 Mig wrote:
If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also.

Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting.

I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch.
I will reread his filter closely, but a Risen who puts a second vote on oats and picks up ZERO extra votes on oats isn't, imo, really saying fuck it and try to get people to switch.

In your example, scumRisen has a team of 4 buddies. He wants to save himself by lynching oats. NONE of his buddies help him out. He picks a target with only one vote, rather than a target with more. scumRisen could pick LM, scumRisen could pick thrawn, scumRisen could pick anyone that his TEAM is pushing. Instead, he picks a dude with one vote, convinces nobody, and gets NO help from a team. If scumRisen is going "I want to get someone lynched instead of me, and the best option is Oats" then scumRisen is an idiot and his team is entirely uncoordinated.

I don't believe scumRisen is an idiot. I AM willing to believe the team is somewhat uncoordinated though.


I'll read Risen. I'll update my read on him. If you're limited on time, please look at vayne, both with and without the claim.

Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:21 GMT
#5846
Scenarios:

1) BC doesn't see austin's vote on rayn and switches to pandain to save risen
2) BC doesn't see austins vote on rayn and switches to pandain to implicate risen and try and get rid of vet
3) BC does whatever he can as a dying wish for his team by doing whatever confuses people the most


3 is the option I am seeing and so it is wifom to conclude anything from his vote switch IMO, the wagons are much more interesting though
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2013 17:35 GMT
#5847
On November 24 2013 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think scum can mason whoever the hell they want to be truthful. When exactly did he mason you? Was it the start of the day? Or did he wait to see what was going on before he did it and make an educated attempt at finding out your alignment?


Also in regards to Onegu, he says I'm scum for calling saying LM's mason day 1 could be scum LM and then posts this:

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 06:21 Onegu wrote:
4:18 am

Goodnight.... Im not goinf to lynch LM rayn, I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks.

Pandain maybe I could but I dont have the energy to look right now.


and calls him town for it.... LOL.. I don't even know what to think of it at all because it actually looks like a joke



HF let me ask you this do you think if LM was scum, do you think his scummates would let him mason a town yamato?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:40 GMT
#5848
Btw another thought SS is 99.99999% town please do not lynch him.

Look at the relationship BC tried to set up with SS during the lynch. BC starts posting his reads and shit right before the end of the day acting super townie. He tricks SS completely, SS is super sad and crying that BC is about to die. BC then half asks to be pardoned with like 2 min before the end of the day. They set it up perfectly if they were both mafia SS could pardon him and try to argue his way out of it. But SS didn't and then when BC switched his vote to pandain SS freaked out and immediately asked everyone if he should pardon rayn/pandain. SS also asked me in our QT if he should pardon them.

This combined with his log with bc day1 + his role claim. There is seriously almost no way SS is mafia. For SS to be mafia they would have had to plan so much shit out and SS would have to react perfectly on the fly.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:41 GMT
#5849
On November 24 2013 02:35 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think scum can mason whoever the hell they want to be truthful. When exactly did he mason you? Was it the start of the day? Or did he wait to see what was going on before he did it and make an educated attempt at finding out your alignment?


Also in regards to Onegu, he says I'm scum for calling saying LM's mason day 1 could be scum LM and then posts this:

On November 23 2013 06:21 Onegu wrote:
4:18 am

Goodnight.... Im not goinf to lynch LM rayn, I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks.

Pandain maybe I could but I dont have the energy to look right now.


and calls him town for it.... LOL.. I don't even know what to think of it at all because it actually looks like a joke



HF let me ask you this do you think if LM was scum, do you think his scummates would let him mason a town yamato?


yes
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:42 GMT
#5850
On November 24 2013 02:40 Mig wrote:
Btw another thought SS is 99.99999% town please do not lynch him.

Look at the relationship BC tried to set up with SS during the lynch. BC starts posting his reads and shit right before the end of the day acting super townie. He tricks SS completely, SS is super sad and crying that BC is about to die. BC then half asks to be pardoned with like 2 min before the end of the day. They set it up perfectly if they were both mafia SS could pardon him and try to argue his way out of it. But SS didn't and then when BC switched his vote to pandain SS freaked out and immediately asked everyone if he should pardon rayn/pandain. SS also asked me in our QT if he should pardon them.

This combined with his log with bc day1 + his role claim. There is seriously almost no way SS is mafia. For SS to be mafia they would have had to plan so much shit out and SS would have to react perfectly on the fly.


I don't think SS is mafia I just want him to talk in my QT -.-.................
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2013 17:43 GMT
#5851
Guys look at holyflare, he goes from LM is scum, to no I was calling him null in that post, to me and onegu are saying the same thing, when I said scum LM wouldnt pick town yamto because he would ask is scum qt and they wouldnt let him, yet his post says he picked someone at random.

HE CANT KEEP HIS STORY STRAIGHT. Lynch with fire!!!
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:44 GMT
#5852
On November 24 2013 02:43 Onegu wrote:
Guys look at holyflare, he goes from LM is scum, to no I was calling him null in that post, to me and onegu are saying the same thing, when I said scum LM wouldnt pick town yamto because he would ask is scum qt and they wouldnt let him, yet his post says he picked someone at random.

HE CANT KEEP HIS STORY STRAIGHT. Lynch with fire!!!


.......... I honestly do not get if there is a language barrier here or you are just plain retarded
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 23 2013 17:46 GMT
#5853
Onegu. Please read vayne. Please give thoughts.

HF. What's rayn's most convincing read from yesterday? Least convincing?
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#5854
LM says he picked someone at random
LM gets called town for picking yamato
I say it's null because scum LM can do what his qt says to do, (using 100% what scum LM can do does not imply I think he is scum like you are inferring) - i.e. pick the towniest person.

You say his choice of LM makes him town because his qt wouldn't let him whilst I am saying the opposite. You call him definitively town because of it but for some reason calling him scummy because of it makes me scum whereas the opposite for you does not make you scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#5855
On November 24 2013 02:46 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu. Please read vayne. Please give thoughts.

HF. What's rayn's most convincing read from yesterday? Least convincing?


Let me re-read rayn because I wasn't really listening to anything he said yesterday, will have to be posted later though because I'm going out tonight.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2013 18:06 GMT
#5856
Onegu

 I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks.


Holyflare
This is exactly what I said about LM and exactly what Onegu is calling me scummy for. LM would come back and ask for the towniest person to mason with = yamato




 His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list....


I think you have misunderstood what I was saying with the entirety of my LM posts. I am not calling him scummy and I am not calling him town, he is a big fat null read.


There you go, hes 100% same as scum from hogwarts and he picked a random person, to I was saying he was a null read, to we are saying the same thing.

How am I misunderstanding?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2013 18:11 GMT
#5857
No no no LM never said it was random.

On November 15 2013 22:46 LoneMeow wrote:
Just to clear up why I masoned before posting:

I read my role and it said to send the PM "at the beginning of cycle". It already being quite a few hours since the cycle started when I woke up, I just looked at the player list and picked someone before reading the thread.


On November 15 2013 23:15 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 23:12 Koshi wrote:
rofl. Nha.
Why Yamato?


Because I got the impression that he's pretty solid player when he's town from LXII, so I want to know if he's town in this one, and I think I stand a better chance outside the thread.



Nice try though.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2013 18:21 GMT
#5858
On November 24 2013 02:46 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu. Please read vayne. Please give thoughts.

HF. What's rayn's most convincing read from yesterday? Least convincing?



Believe his claim, with the multiple breadcrumbs. Dont think he was bussing so hard, and follows his town meta. Will look closer for you though.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 23 2013 18:30 GMT
#5859
Oh my, jesus christ, please can someone tell onegu to stfu because he isn't listening to me and he's spending his dwindling minutes of activity time replying to me based on day 1 instead of ya know, reading the rest of the game.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 18:53 GMT
#5860
I have to leave for the rest of the day and mafia if they are not idiots will kill me tonight so mafia list.

Super Mafia
Risen
Thrawn
Coag

Seriously please kill these guys

The last mafia is tougher I would probably focus my search around LM/Onegu/Oats/slam but there should be a lot of new information by then.

Don't let Koshi mope and not post because he is in "mafia depression". Everyone makes mistakes Koshi you can only make up for it by helping the town. If he doesn't contribute at all and continues to use it as an excuse I would look into him.



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