EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 291
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Onegu
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BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion. | ||
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On November 23 2013 19:40 Onegu wrote: I explained my votes I wasnt going to vote for my town reads, and I liked risens response toward deadline, hindsight I should have stayed with it as it lead to the rayn lynch which I had a very heavy town read on rayn. I can understand this ^^^ BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion.[/QUOTE] But I still want you to explain your koshi scumread in greater detail. Hypocrisy + OMGUS does not = scum | ||
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On November 23 2013 20:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I can understand this ^^^ BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion. But I still want you to explain your koshi scumread in greater detail. Hypocrisy + OMGUS does not = scum [/QUOTE] Ok Ill work on it tonight. | ||
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Coag can you explain what you meant by this. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hiro He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise BC makes a very weak post against Hiro but leaves himself room to backtrack for when hiro comes back. Thrawn believed and supported BC's idiotic case against Grack. Thrawn had a really weird relationship with BH where he didn't seem to even consider the possibility that BH could flip mafia and he had to be assassin/town. Thrawns last minute dialogue/pretend questions for bc, zzzzzzzzzzz Almost everyone got some suspicion/pressure yesterday, except for afk thrawn who nobody looked at at all until I actually brought it up. He would have been a super easy target for mafia to try and lynch if he were town, yet they chose not to do so. Also, we have 7 masons BC/skan/SS/austin/pandain/LM/HF. HF/ss/austin/pandain I think are all likely town. And from a setup balance standpoint makes sense for there to be about 2 mafia masons. Thrawn fits that nicely. Thrawn's excuse for inactivity On November 23 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote: it's a combination of losing interest and special tactics On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote: goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed Explain these Thrawn. Because I don't buy for a second that you were actively posting in another TL mafia game for 2 days and you didn't even read this one and then you come back and try to make it out to be it was part of some plan? Murder Thrawn. Murder Thrawn. Murder Thrawn. | ||
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Coag is tough because he is unfortunately always useless regardless of alignment. But there is a difference, usually mafia coag is useless and he will occasionally come in to shit up the thread. Town coag is useless but occasionally he will come in and provide something useful. This game Coag actively lurks (pointed out by grack when Coag instantly jumped out to call him a liar and vote him), he shits up the thread hardcore by screaming about the SS/pandain logs. He tries to cast doubt on me about my notes (BC did the same thing). He then soft defends BC even though he claimed to think I am town. He never said ANYTHING during the final few hours of the lynch, except to say Oats is a good vote slam lol. I mean come on Coag maybe useless but he usually isn't afraid to give his opinion. He even said he was around but decided to just lurk. On November 23 2013 16:27 Coagulation wrote: Man I just read up a ton on butt monkeys. Care to share what you learned from all your reading? I really don't expect much from Coag but this is even below my expectations. | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:28 Onegu wrote: So I can tottally see a scum Koshi pushing for a town rayn lynch so he can go post game I got you because of thier history, and because of this he makes sure austin hammers him. HF you bus as scum, yes the situation was different but that doesnt change the fact that YOU CALLED ME SCUM DAY 1 WHEN WE STILL HAD 6 SCUMMERS IN HOGWARTS. /dunked I think you're confusing bussing with calling out an afk team mate. You honestly believe I was pushing BC all throughout day 2 just to lynch a mafia doctor over an easy BH assassin lynch? Onegu your reads seriously need updating because the only thing you have called me up on is the LM thing on day 1 and you even give reasoning for why he SHOULDN'T be town??? We NEEDED to bus on hogwarts because we were losing so badly and every day our kp got blocked. This game is going way too favourably for scum for someone to do that, I agree light bussing maybe in order, which is why thrawn is scummy as all shit for his vote on BC whilst seemingly defending him the entire time but for your only reads to be austin (who has appeared to be very towny the past day and me (who did a lot to get BC shot/lynched)) you must be kidding right? On November 23 2013 06:21 Onegu wrote: 4:18 am Goodnight.... Im not goinf to lynch LM rayn, I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks. Pandain maybe I could but I dont have the energy to look right now. This is exactly what I said about LM and exactly what Onegu is calling me scummy for. LM would come back and ask for the towniest person to mason with = yamato. I can't honestly believe this guy has lived so long. @Everyone else, I want to point you in the direction of Onegu. Not only has he returned to the thread with no real reads whatsoever he has been absent from pretty much every conversation we've had in order to solve this game EVERY day. Where have you seen his input that has made you think "hmm, maybe he's right lets do that", the answer is never and then he returns with a town read on BC, ignoring any facts that occured through the vig shot scenario or his posts on d2. Then I direct you to this post: On November 23 2013 18:32 Onegu wrote: Welcome to town meta onegu. I learned not to do this in my first two newbies as scum so I only do it as town now. This struck me as interesting because I don't think anyone would intentionally say they are playing to their own town meta. Then I remembered that Onegu has said this before here: (This is from Hogwarts Scum QT) onegu 10-17-2013 05:45 PM ET (US) Im playing to my town meta, I will be more active tomorrow. In my qt they have you holy pegged as town. Anyway I have to sleep now, will catchup in the morning. He is confident that he knows his town meta and can play to it. So why would he say that here if he wasn't trying to intentionally play to it too? _________________________________ There are a lot of specifics on Onegu's filter that I can get into and make a case on but for now I think Onegu is actually scum. His votes were on his scum reads austin and me which had nobody else on them but he didn't vote on his null reads to save his town read? Really? That doesn't compute. Of course scum can pull shenanigans at the last minute, that is what they are known for, he knows this too but still doesn't register it. | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:34 Mig wrote: Do we have any mason logs featuring LM somewhere? Yeah I posted some. | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:46 Koshi wrote: Not much. But our QT. LM & Koshi + Show Spoiler + LoneMeow and Koshi mason Day 2/Night 2 Koshi: Hi Stray Kitten. Koshi: So, is this about me proving to you that I am town? Or you proving to me that you are town? Or both? Or is this just about scumhunting together? Or thrice? LM: This is about all three things, though right now *I* mostly care about figuring out your alignment. I'd like to hear about your thought process when you changed your mind about raynpelikoneet for starters. Koshi: Really don't understand why you don't post in the thread. So scummy. Koshi: Well. to be really honest. I thought rayn was scum for saying I was scum for starters. Also him not talking to me about my case on supersoft if he also had doubts on supersoft. Just strange. Then I just tunneled a bit on him and made cases so that others would also believe it and he would get lynched. Got to do something on D1 right. I am actually truly lost in bigger games on D1. Mostly in minis as well unless something scummy gets smacked in my face. But atm he might be town. Unless he is in a scumteam with Grack. Because they are pushing same agenda atm. Also might explain why he forgot Grack earlier in the game when he gave 5 names and then added Grack when somebody asked him about it. So unlikely rayn. But yeah, I kind a want to lynch BH atm. 120 hours should be enough for town BH to actually find scum. So we lynch BH and the next day lynch his scumreads if he actually is town. Sounds like a perfect plan. Koshi: Got to try and make VE use the double lynch as well. Koshi: If we lynch BH. LM: If we go for double lynch now and BH flips red, do you think we have 2 solid enough targets for the double lynch tomorrow? Who would you propose at this stage as the 2 next likely scum? Koshi: It is still a very long time till D3 lynch. And there are always people we want to lynch. Koshi: If BH is red I need to ask Alakaslam what he said about BH & VA scumteam for examples. Koshi: Also, you really need to post in the thread. Soon I will reveal this QT between us if you don't post in the thread. If you post in the thread I can keep it a secret. If you want that. You were heavy lurk in Hogwarts and I dislike people trying to win people over in a QT. Yamato being town and covering for you does make you look good. But I don't like it why you don't show that to the thread. Koshi: I totally crumbed that we were in a QT. for funzies. Where are you m8? LM: Having a terrible afternoon at work. As much as I hate defending myself with meta, I also hate it that you keep cherry picking my lurk in Hogwarts while ignoring that I played more or less exactly the same in LXI as town. Also, it's not like I especially want to keep my choice of mason target for today secret. What would it take from BH for you to want to lynch someone else? Koshi: Probably will lynch BH no matter what. Unless he really shows he figured out the game or is trying. Koshi: I know you also played extremely lurky in LXI. You need to post otherwise people will always think you are scum. It's how it is. LM: Do the other lurkers usually play lurky as either alignment? Those being Stutters, Mr. CheeseCake and Coagulation mainly, I suppose. Koshi: Stutters is always lurky. But this is a new level ofc... CC was town in Noir and was semi active (13pages). CC was scum in Aperture and was semi active (14 pages). Him doing absolutely nothing is new to me. Coag is somebody I don't know. I guess I have played games with him but I forgot. LM: Do you think this lurkiness in those players may be alignment indicative or not? LM: Also, would you agree that Alakaslam is probably town? He looks like the usual overly paranoid Slam to me rather than scum pushing agenda. Koshi: Depends if BH is scum tbh. I don't know why he is suddenly going crazy and attacking rayn Koshi: Btw, Vayne thinks you are scum and he is looking townie. You might want to mason him tomorrow. LM: I kind of noticed VA wanting to lunch me. I have kind of accepted my fate, but I might mason him anyway. In the land where meta rules, you're not allowed to try to improve  What's your opinion on Mig? I thought he was town, but his reads have been pretty non-existent and apparently he's supposed to be some kind of experienced player... LM: Reading through Mocsta's filter I noticed he spent quite a few posts defending Sharrant. I'd like to hear your opinion on those posts. LM: After re-reading Alakaslam's filter, I'm no longer at all sure he's town. That 180 on raynpelikoneet is just ridiculously quick... Koshi: Bot Mocsta and Sharrant already flipped m8. I don't know what you want me to say... You being a suspect for lynching has nothing to do with us not wanting you to improve. That's silly to suggest. You can also not blame us for using meta on you because you are a low volume poster. If you would break out with a 5-10 page filter this game we wouldn't be able to use meta. But just like in noir and Hogwards you have a 2-3 page filter. Best way to show thread that you are playing this game on D3 is to make a list with all players and give your honest opinion about them. Because to me it looks like you are pretending you are scumhunting but not really doing anything. You told me you wanted to know my alignement by Masoning me, did you figure it out? You asked 1 question? You asked me questions about the lurkers/afkers, did you figure it out? There is never a conclusion to your questions and we all love to know where you stand. LM: Oops, that's what I get for staring at a filter for too long I suppose. My point with the meta was that two games does not really establish any kind of statistically meaningful dataset to compare against. I'm pretty sure I'll get lynched for posting an "useless list post" but sure, I'll do that. Sadly it'll be full of "not sure, null" entries because I honestly don't have a good idea of the alignment of most players in this game. If BH flips red you're definitely town, if he flips something else I suppose I'd still think you likely town. Koshi: Yeah, if you don't have an idea about more than 10 people than you better just concentrate on your scumreads. Those 4 names you gave are not too shabby. Make cases around the 3 that will be alive tomorrow and I am sure you will stay alive if they are good. Koshi: Just Mason VA tommorrow and you will be all right. Unless you went cutiepie on the Sharrant mistake I think you are town. LM: Penny for your thoughts on HolyFlare? The mason log he posted makes him look better and austinmcc look worse to me, but that's the exact opposite of my previous reads so I need to think about this. Koshi: When reading that big ass post from Holyflare I only paid attention to Holyflare tbh. I think he is town, but it all depends a bit on BH flip on what I will do tomorrow. If BH flips town I need to look at Grack, thrawn, BC, alakaslam, etc. If BH flips red I just sheep rayn till he is wrong or I find something really good. I also still find it interesting that Sharrant, StorrZerg & Spag died over vets like BH, SS, VE, Mig, BC etc. Just strange, especially that insane doc Sharrant kill. Quite sexy read. Just like the shot on Mocsta. LM: Do you think getting rid of both assassins was beneficial for town? Koshi: No it's bad for town, they wont tank any shots now. But BH was a good lynch, he could have easily flipped scum. VE was a bigger loss but now we understand why he was going after Skanjab D1... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Marvellosity: Holyflare + supersoft mason Day 3/Night 3 Holyflare: Hello! Supersoft: hi. Whats up? I have an exam from 13:45-18.45 CEST and I will hit the gym after that. I'll be here at about 21:00 CEST Can you give me some analysis on my red/black-listed people? Supersoft: what do you want from me? Calling me scum? Holyflare: You want reads on everyone in the game...? Supersoft: sure! Holyflare: Sorry i was out and could only post a few posts from my phone every so often. What I want to know is why you get the feeling that BC is town, I mean, everything he has done has pointed to him not possessing a towny mindset. Coming up with a reason that grack is scum despite saying mocsta's flip absolves everyone he was arguing with, returning to the thread and arguing that we aren't lynching lurkers and BH when everyone in the thread was on BH. One of his top 3 scum reads was shot by mig and his only actual contribution this game was to question mig why he shot him? Is your view based purely on your mason QT because I do not get a towny impression from him there, he calls BH 100% definitive scum despite saying that BH is also unreadable, his scum read was grack for trolling and being useless but that ignores other people that were doing the same; oats etc. Supersoft: i have a good discussion with mig going on. It's really refreshing to talk in these QTs out of crazyrayns range. Holyflare: BloodyC0bbler - scummy, based on what I just said Mig - BC does put doubt into my mind about him but as I see it he didn't shoot BC because me and artanis were putting up a smokescreen to shoot BC, Mig didn't want to waste a bullet by shooting the same target and he can't possibly know there is a rb'er on their team if nobody has said so so far and if this whole affair wasn't mentioned my original read on him was town Onegu - He hasn't been here but his first posts were only targetting me and for shitty reasons, he then focused austin and that's his entire contribution this game, he just returned and made a god awful list of who he thought was scum without any reasoning. I think he might be scum. Koshi - He looks like towny koshi, he's trying to get rayn killed right now because he thinks he is justified in his read on him. I don't think he'd go out of his way to go past thread sentiment and get people to vote rayn Coagulation - I do not know anything about him hiro protagonist thrawn2112 - is posting in another game and not here after being called out by austin (even if that case seemed misguided) also scummy Hopeless1der - original scum read, hasn't changed, not contributing Grackaroni - mocsta flip made him look towny, I do not know what to honestly think of him other than his total lack of real contributions, I'd have to wait for a BC flip because if BC flips scum I think grack is also scum Pandain - looked scummy based off of rayn's/hopeless' case, hasn't said much after day 2 half way. Haven't got awful vibes from him and I'm pretty sure he claimed doctor to you based on his reactions. Still a bit surprised that he claimed 25 posts into a mason qt with you because he had no way of knowing if you were town based on that, looks like a case of too much knowledge if anything supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh VayneAuthority - no reason not to believe he isn't hatter, hasn't promoted an agenda like people say his scum games have raynpelikoneet - towny from sheer amount of posts and confusion on his part, dumb, but towny  austinmcc - think he might be vet, his questions day 1 didn't really lead anywhere towards his reads, in mason chat with me he also ignored me when i was talking about mocsta until I called him out for it and then he said "oh yeh dont think mocsta is scum", wary of him but his play today suggests towny Risen - ......nothing to comment on but ruining town Mr. Cheesecake - lurker, no idea LoneMeow - also lurker, made a case on why he could be scum and I think that applies, been sitting back whilst we shit on everything Alakaslam - don't think he's scum based off of day 1/2 but can't be sure as he's changed his style a lot Oatsmaster - I made a case on him with BC and hopeless as my other reads, I think his play was really bad and everytime I mention him people throw me off of him saying useless is his town meta... -.- Holyflare: wow sorry that was totally bad formatting........... Holyflare: BloodyC0bbler - scummy, based on what I just said Mig - BC does put doubt into my mind about him but as I see it he didn't shoot BC because me and artanis were putting up a smokescreen to shoot BC, Mig didn't want to waste a bullet by shooting the same target and he can't possibly know there is a rb'er on their team if nobody has said so so far and if this whole affair wasn't mentioned my original read on him was town Onegu - He hasn't been here but his first posts were only targetting me and for shitty reasons, he then focused austin and that's his entire contribution this game, he just returned and made a god awful list of who he thought was scum without any reasoning. I think he might be scum. Koshi - He looks like towny koshi, he's trying to get rayn killed right now because he thinks he is justified in his read on him. I don't think he'd go out of his way to go past thread sentiment and get people to vote rayn Coagulation - I do not know anything about him hiro protagonist thrawn2112 - is posting in another game and not here after being called out by austin (even if that case seemed misguided) also scummy Hopeless1der - original scum read, hasn't changed, not contributing Grackaroni - mocsta flip made him look towny, I do not know what to honestly think of him other than his total lack of real contributions, I'd have to wait for a BC flip because if BC flips scum I think grack is also scum Pandain - looked scummy based off of rayn's/hopeless' case, hasn't said much after day 2 half way. Haven't got awful vibes from him and I'm pretty sure he claimed doctor to you based on his reactions. Still a bit surprised that he claimed 25 posts into a mason qt with you because he had no way of knowing if you were town based on that, looks like a case of too much knowledge if anything supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh VayneAuthority - no reason not to believe he isn't hatter, hasn't promoted an agenda like people say his scum games have raynpelikoneet - towny from sheer amount of posts and confusion on his part, dumb, but towny austinmcc - think he might be vet, his questions day 1 didn't really lead anywhere towards his reads, in mason chat with me he also ignored me when i was talking about mocsta until I called him out for it and then he said "oh yeh dont think mocsta is scum", wary of him but his play today suggests towny Risen - ......nothing to comment on but ruining town Mr. Cheesecake - lurker, no idea LoneMeow - also lurker, made a case on why he could be scum and I think that applies, been sitting back whilst we shit on everything Alakaslam - don't think he's scum based off of day 1/2 but can't be sure as he's changed his style a lot Oatsmaster - I made a case on him with BC and hopeless as my other reads, I think his play was really bad and everytime I mention him people throw me off of him saying useless is his town meta... -.- Supersoft: your read on me is strange you need to explain that to me. What am I doing with the doctor? Holyflare: I called pandain out on the fact that he said in post 25 of your mason log "you are town btw so i'm a vet, the way he worded it (I realise you aren't a native speaker) does not imply he is a veteran player it implies that since you are town he should tell you that he is a vet role. When called out about this he said "SS must have forged the logs because I never said that" so I assumed you did it because he was a doctor and you were covering for him. Now I find out you didn't change the log at all and so he is a liar. Is that information correct? Holyflare: I want to know your reads though. Holyflare: Also who your rb'd, can't remember if you mentioned it Supersoft: Oats and after that Mattchew. My reads are in my filter. I made a list and I have cases on Risen, Oats, Thrawn and Coag. Holyflare: Why are you ignoring everything I say about pandain? Holyflare: I also want detailed reads like i have done, not a list please Ignored everything to do with discussing my reads other than mention himself, ignores everything to do with BC and pandain too. This guy is suspicious as all hell in this QT. | ||
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At the same time i was talking to mig in our QT and posting in the thread and rereading. What do you expect from me? | ||
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