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Mocsta
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. Like what? "Yo i was just trolling and and you also might be scummy to not understand that". That's nice way to turn "wanting to start the discussion" into "you look scummy". | ||
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thrawn2112
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raynpelikoneet
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Oh nevermind, i apparently fail at reading aswell. latter =/= sormer. rofl me  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 21 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Rayn I still don't see what problem you have with that post. It happened during a time when very few players had posted so posts like that are needed to get discussion going. You claim I was making a big deal about nothing. But did I? Have I continued harping on scib? Am I still making a big deal out of it? Have I ever once suggested that he's my main scumread? I am doing - have done none of those things and I think your question to me tells you even less information about my alignment than the question I asked of scib. When i read your post I think you overplayed it. Made it look like sciberbia looks somehow bad from that post. Yeah i agree i could be wrongand that's probably nothing. | ||
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Rean
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On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: Rean I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. On November 20 2013 18:04 Aquanim wrote:The fact that Corazon, despite apparently believing his case, is not committing to it by voting for sciberbia? THAT is scum-indicative. This seems awfully weak to me, a case on him at this point is already applying pressure by focussing discussion on him and trying to catch him on a lie. While a vote does put a little extra pressure on it I think saying it's scum-indicative not to vote is really overrating it's importance.This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim Some other things I really want to adress: On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote: EBWOP Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case. I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote: At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? That he, compared to Mocsta going around calling people "confirmed town" and naming scumteams 5 posts in, seemed to be taking it easy and more the "is most likely to be scum" route. In hindsight held back is probably not the phrase I'm looking for but you know what I mean. | ||
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Mocsta
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On November 21 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: When i read your post I think you overplayed it. Made it look like sciberbia looks somehow bad from that post. Yeah i agree i could be wrongand that's probably nothing. For that point in time he *did* look bad. I called him out for similar reasoning. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what? "Yo i was just trolling and and you also might be scummy to not understand that". That's nice way to turn "wanting to start the discussion" into "you look scummy". Please.. i beg you.. if you are reading the game and now quoting as see stuff, avoid discussing corazon until you have read everything. This specific phrase has been done to death. *im begging you* | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
 I expect Rayn to probe Rean on that post by the time I wake up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. Rean this post is sciberbia's second last post in this game so far. How is it possible for sciberbia to make some effort into questioning you more when he hasn't posted since? I think you are twisting the situation to fit your agenda of calling him scum for no reason. Because this looks like a really stretched accusation. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rean this post is sciberbia's second last post in this game so far. How is it possible for sciberbia to make some effort into questioning you more when he hasn't posted since? I think you are twisting the situation to fit your agenda of calling him scum for no reason. Because this looks like a really stretched accusation. I'm not calling him a damn thing >.> I'm saying it's bullshit that he goes around saying I'm his second-strongest scumread while he hasn't done anything about it, it feels dodgy to me. But I don't want to push this issue any further without giving him a chance to defend himself or explain. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 21 2013 03:16 Rean wrote: I'm not calling him a damn thing >.> I'm saying it's bullshit that he goes around saying I'm his second-strongest scumread while he hasn't done anything about it, it feels dodgy to me. But I don't want to push this issue any further without giving him a chance to defend himself or explain. Well how could he possibly have done anything about it because he has not posted since? | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well how could he possibly have done anything about it because he has not posted since? Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 02:55 Mocsta wrote: JarJar Not sure where you disappeared, but if you are lurking: can you please weigh in on Rayn. Lunch. I think rayn looks good. He seems to have similiar reads to me. I don't think there's anything scummy about what you and thrawn were pointing out. Looking into Aqua now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote: Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. It is the first time he says you are his second strongest scum-read. Probably because of something you said. So there is no possible way he can prod you before you say something that makes him think so. Furthermore i don't understand how you find that "odd" or "dodgy". I could understand it if sciberbia had posted 10 times after he called you out and those posts were about something other than his top scumread. But i do not understand the approach you are taking here - asking him "why am your second strongest scum-read" would be totally fine - but you are accusing him of having you as a scumread when there is no possible way he could have explained himself. So yeah, i think that comment of yours regarding sciberbia is really scummy. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote: Seems like a wierd statement.Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. What will we know exactly once he gets in here? Whether he really thinks you're scummy or whether he was lying about it? | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote: Post 8 (1) I won't have a post restriction anymore, but I will be numbering my posts so I can try and force consolidation. (2) I wouldn't shoot anyone right now. JJD, Vonthin, Onegu, LM, Jampidampi have yet to post. Thats just under 50% of the game. Having said that: if I had a one-time bullet that kills scum and misses town; I would shoot between Sciberbia/Corazon/Bereft. Pur quoi? Warning MASSIVE PLAY-BY-PLAY ANALYSIS of therad + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote: THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote: explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles. Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read. I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum. On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote: That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] + On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid. No, I am not. I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am. Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit. Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious. On November 20 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote: agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural. "I've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? In one phrase: Its just over compensated. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower. Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this. My issue with this post was the last paragraph: "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page.You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim. I think this is damage control. On November 20 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing... This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip. Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason. I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before. At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts. Ditto the corazon read above On November 20 2013 12:47 Bereft wrote: he's referencing mocsta saying that i'm trying to disrupt their town circle: I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the natural conclusion. So back to null. - Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content. On November 20 2013 12:52 Rean wrote: Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed. Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game. - Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up. On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: *snip* On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] + I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. @cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote: and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote: He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote: he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you. i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum.@Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote: Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote: @Rean What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote: This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt.Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazon and to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. [/QUOTE] Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. | ||
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Rean
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On November 21 2013 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is the first time he says you are his second strongest scum-read. Probably because of something you said. So there is no possible way he can prod you before you say something that makes him think so. Furthermore i don't understand how you find that "odd" or "dodgy". I could understand it if sciberbia had posted 10 times after he called you out and those posts were about something other than his top scumread. But i do not understand the approach you are taking here - asking him "why am your second strongest scum-read" would be totally fine - but you are accusing him of having you as a scumread when there is no possible way he could have explained himself. So yeah, i think that comment of yours regarding sciberbia is really scummy. Uhm, isn't that exactly what he said? I find it dodgy because he just randomly mentioned it out of the blue without any real reasoning or anything, which is why I called it out and was/am waiting for him to elaborate. I'm not calling him scum yet or anything, I just want to see him explain and make sure that he can't just come on and forget about it or anything. On November 21 2013 03:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Seems like a wierd statement. What will we know exactly once he gets in here? Whether he really thinks you're scummy or whether he was lying about it? Yes, I want him to elaborate on it. Having a scum-read on someone typically has a reason and I'd love to know his. Once he actually answers we'll have something to talk about. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lunch. I think rayn looks good. He seems to have similiar reads to me. I don't think there's anything scummy about what you and thrawn were pointing out. Looking into Aqua now. Here's the problem with rayn's entrance. He starts off by giving mocsta a huge town read, and giving me only a slightly-town read. You may not be aware of this but Rayn is well qualified to read my play. That, plus the fact that he agrees that Aqua is scummy (when I have spearheaded the push against Aqua) and the fact that he thinks Mocsta is obviously town and Mocsta is already calling my confirmed town, all add up to...... only a slight town read on me? I think this is not a position he would take if he's town and has all the reads he's claimed to have. You might disagree because maybe you don't see Mocsta or myself as obviously town, and you haven't experienced my town play as much as rayn has, but your read on me shouldn't matter because it's rayn's read I'm talking about. When I read his first post, I slowly began to expect him to give me a strong town read. I questioned him on why he is having trouble reading my alignment. It is obvious from this question that I was suspicious of rayn for giving me a slight town read. So what does rayn do? He strokes my ego and decides he does think I'm obviously town after all. Then I become even more suspicious and ask him how his read changed so easily. Then he starts questioning me about an early game question I asked scib, as if to show me that he actually IS suspicious of me. He starts off reading me as slight town which I do not think is possible if he is town and believes the reads in his first post. I ask him why does he not have me as strong town, he obliges by agreeing that I'm obviously town. I ask him why he changed his mind so easily, and he starts asking me questions to show me he actually is suspicious. Each of those two responses are attempts by him to tell me want I want to hear. | ||
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