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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I'm sick of VT. Sn0 we can have it out now if you'd like. I'm bored and I'm here, though no ability to dive atm. Also do you have anything more concrete to say about onegu besides weak suspicion? Because I could theoretically be on board for an Onegu lynch, but I want to do some more looky looky before I'm sure. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Also u were 3p in that game we played not so long ago. The one where you were shot as Survivor N1 right after BlazingHand claimed survivor as scum :D I KNOW I had so many grand plans for that game. Fucking scum shooting me. I was so hoping they'd fucked themselves over by claiming 3P then shooting/revealing me but town was shitty that game. It was such a stupid reason for being shot too---I wasn't even around for like 28h so couldn't use my ##Hide (not that I would have probably) but I hadn't done shit and yet somehow scum were afraid of my potential or something. In any case I haven't played it nearly as often as town but I personally feel like I'd probably be a better scum/3P player than town. It's a combination of that and the fact that I barely get to do it which makes me so disappointed I keep rolling VT. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:55 Sn0_Man wrote: No I never have stuff on Onegu thats the problem. Sneakiest mofo on the planet. Can you.....try? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 04 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn did WoS' answers to you please you? yes and rayn... why have you been talking about weird shit all game | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 04 2013 17:56 EchelonTee wrote: Oh Thrawn, can you tell me what you think of Syl since you've played with him before? I don't think I've ever played with mafia syl. As town he's lurky and people always want to lynch him even though they know better. As for this game I'm not worried abotu him atm. WOS: what do you think about the entrances of gumshoe and sn0_man | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote: lololol the floodgates have opened! Bring it on, hataz. Sn0---my only scumgame was probably the game with the lowest proportional activity in my history, though to be fair I did that calculation last ages ago, and one scumgame does not a meta make. Onegu - opportunistic as fuck. You're all over me and liking what I do and now that gumshoe posts some walls you turn on me like a rabid dog. Don't make me put you down. Come to think of it, 'rabid dog' is a good example for you turning on hzflank too. You're rubbin' me all sorts of 'the wrong way' all of a sudden. I'm not surprised no one has called me out, I was surprised no one called me out SPECIFICALLY about the point regarding the 'bite-me-in-the-ass/wishy-washiness' because it's a really easy 'case' to make as town or scum and people do that shit all the time to contribute. Requires very little effort. And please, activity is certainly not my only defense; why is that the only thing you felt was relevant enough to comment on? Let's hear you come up with something this game that someone else hasn't done first, then we can talk, k boyo? Gumshoe I will address your recent stuff a little later when I have more time; i like discussing with you so it would be nice to get you off of my case so we can go somewhere productive. Where did I say I like what you were doing in this game, I said I respect you as a person but never mentioned your play in the game until just now. Second go back and reread my first post on hzflank, its not just a attack, I call out his logic on umasi. It wasnt until I saw his back to being a jerk post that I talked about a policy lynch. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't think I've ever played with mafia syl. As town he's lurky and people always want to lynch him even though they know better. As for this game I'm not worried abotu him atm. WOS: what do you think about the entrances of gumshoe and sn0_man He was mafia in desert with me and marv, that you replaced into. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them. On November 04 2013 12:04 thrawn2112 wrote: This vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off. This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far. My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote: I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy. I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them. This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far. My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game. Show me precisely how you came to those town reads, in detail, thanks. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't think I've ever played with mafia syl. As town he's lurky and people always want to lynch him even though they know better. As for this game I'm not worried abotu him atm. WOS: what do you think about the entrances of gumshoe and sn0_man Gumshoe's entrance is solid. I mean, he's wrong, but it's at least everything you want to see from a townie. Sn0 I'm pretty meh on. I was trying to encourage him to contribute something on a topic he seemed to feel something about but he didn't really offer much. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:25 Onegu wrote: Where did I say I like what you were doing in this game, I said I respect you as a person but never mentioned your play in the game until just now. Second go back and reread my first post on hzflank, its not just a attack, I call out his logic on umasi. It wasnt until I saw his back to being a jerk post that I talked about a policy lynch. Alright fair point---I guess it was feerings I got from you around that time that you were basically hanging on what I was saying at the time. The rest stands. Are you going to respond to my second paragraph? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote: I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy. I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them. This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far. My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game. My only defense is certainly not my filter as I have explained before (see what I wrote to gumshoe and will continue to do so after this). I am perfectly happy with my content as well as the size of my filter as I personally believe (despite perceived inconsistencies that people are real happy to bring up) that I have once again been completely transparent with my reads, been question and pushing when I feel something is off, and responded to pressure accordingly. There's also something else that you and gumshoe neglect to mention which I will show in an upcoming post responding to his long posts: inconsistencies do not a scum make. You have to be able to explain why any inconsistencies that may or may not be present are likely to come from scum. Not only do I not believe I was inconsistent anywhere, I certainly do not believe you can show how I am scummy based on those inconsistencies. For example you bring up ET's response to me which I never brought up again. Why is that indicative of scum OR inconsistent? I asked him a question, he answered it, I was satisfied. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
Vote Count! Vanesco (1): Umasi, hzflank (0): Umasi (1): Vanesco WaveofShadow (1): gumshoe Not Voting (10): ObviousOne, Cephiro, Sylencia, Sn0_man, thrawn, Onegu, EchelonTee, hzflank, raynpelikoneet, WaveofShadow With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched! It is now Day 1. This Day ends in at Tuesday, Nov 05 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Make sure to get your THREE witchcraft votes in to Ange777 and Blazinghand by that time. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe's entrance is solid. I mean, he's wrong, but it's at least everything you want to see from a townie. Sn0 I'm pretty meh on. I was trying to encourage him to contribute something on a topic he seemed to feel something about but he didn't really offer much. I could lynch Sn0 at this point. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game. You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Haha. Rubs. | ||
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