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<3 gumshoe
Sn0:
lol scumshoe.
I don't think I've ever seen a scummer pull one of those 'bait-and-switch' type things. Even Rayn who lies all the damn time does this mostly (only?) as town.
Sn0, for somebody who professes not to do a lot D1, you sure do have a lot of unsubstantiated reads. The reasoning for them must be somewhere in your brain already; are you just afraid to jot them down where everybody can see?
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On November 05 2013 03:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out! Does it make me scum? No desire to read anything else of what I've written? Or talk about anything else? Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! First where have I called you scum? I asked you a question. Because we were 18 hours into the game and you were offering defense of a case on you with I cant belive it im so active and transparent. Then you come after me because I asked you the question. Followed by you asking me to respond to your second paragraph which I did, because you said filter legnth wasnt your only defense, but it was at the time. I never discussed the case on you only your reaction to it.
What I'm saying is, if you're NOT calling me scum, what is the point of your constant drilling home about my self-subjective posts WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REST OF MY DEFENSES AND EVERYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT.
Feel super good about my vote choice atm. OO, join me. Hell I'll even accept Sn0 coming aboard, even if you're scum. I offer one red ticket aboard the train of justice and you can have it if you'd like.
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If I could substantiate them there'd be substantiations in thread yo.
Besides not so many reads just stuff. You weren't (aren't? unsure) playing how I'm used to but I can dismiss that if I need to. Was about the best I had. My shots at onegu are strictly based on teh player i have no idea his current alignment.
Massive walls of text full of dumb videos is either rayn territory or scum usually so I'm flaming gumshoe.
MEANWHILE I have no actual idea who is scum so I'm making sure people don't decide to lurker lynch me 
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On November 05 2013 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote:If I could substantiate them there'd be substantiations in thread yo. Besides not so many reads just stuff. You weren't (aren't? unsure) playing how I'm used to but I can dismiss that if I need to. Was about the best I had. My shots at onegu are strictly based on teh player i have no idea his current alignment. Massive walls of text full of dumb videos is either rayn territory or scum usually so I'm flaming gumshoe. MEANWHILE I have no actual idea who is scum so I'm making sure people don't decide to lurker lynch me
See so that's where you'd say 'Hmm...as a town member who would like to win this game, maybe I should try to help my team figure out who the scummers are?'
Which team doesn't care about who is scum and who isn't, Sn0? I forget.
Shitposting for an entire day may not be lurking, but it certainly won't take you off the lynch radar in my eyes.
Out for now, be back later this evening.
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On November 05 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:45 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out! Does it make me scum? No desire to read anything else of what I've written? Or talk about anything else? Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! First where have I called you scum? I asked you a question. Because we were 18 hours into the game and you were offering defense of a case on you with I cant belive it im so active and transparent. Then you come after me because I asked you the question. Followed by you asking me to respond to your second paragraph which I did, because you said filter legnth wasnt your only defense, but it was at the time. I never discussed the case on you only your reaction to it. What I'm saying is, if you're NOT calling me scum, what is the point of your constant drilling home about my self-subjective posts WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REST OF MY DEFENSES AND EVERYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT. Feel super good about my vote choice atm. OO, join me. Hell I'll even accept Sn0 coming aboard, even if you're scum. I offer one red ticket aboard the train of justice and you can have it if you'd like.
The only defense you offered at the time was you are being transparent (not a legit defense) and filter legnth, and then saying it wasnt your only defense. But as I just pointed out it was your only defense. Im not ignoreing anything. I didnt care for gumshoes case on you but your reaction afterward is shit.
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Well I don't have a nice blue role this game to claim and be conftown but w/e. This is more or less my day 1
I promise I'm developing reads and thinking about the game, just not at a rate that provides anything interesting to town right now. I try to gather data with a more or less null read on everybody so as to be objective, then study the data once I feel like its enough for a "read".
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On November 05 2013 03:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:45 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out! Does it make me scum? No desire to read anything else of what I've written? Or talk about anything else? Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! First where have I called you scum? I asked you a question. Because we were 18 hours into the game and you were offering defense of a case on you with I cant belive it im so active and transparent. Then you come after me because I asked you the question. Followed by you asking me to respond to your second paragraph which I did, because you said filter legnth wasnt your only defense, but it was at the time. I never discussed the case on you only your reaction to it. What I'm saying is, if you're NOT calling me scum, what is the point of your constant drilling home about my self-subjective posts WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REST OF MY DEFENSES AND EVERYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT. Feel super good about my vote choice atm. OO, join me. Hell I'll even accept Sn0 coming aboard, even if you're scum. I offer one red ticket aboard the train of justice and you can have it if you'd like. The only defense you offered at the time was you are being transparent (not a legit defense) and filter legnth, and then saying it wasnt your only defense. But as I just pointed out it was your only defense. Im not ignoreing anything. I didnt care for gumshoes case on you but your reaction afterward is shit.
Last post because you're REALLY annoying me atm.
On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: Show nested quote +It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy.
I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now.Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion.Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum?
The bolded are areas of my defense that have nothing to do with what you're talking about. And that's just my first defense. Are you not reading the fucking thread at all?
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On November 05 2013 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote:I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy. I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them. On November 04 2013 12:04 thrawn2112 wrote:This vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off. This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far. My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game. My only defense is certainly not my filter as I have explained before (see what I wrote to gumshoe and will continue to do so after this). I am perfectly happy with my content as well as the size of my filter as I personally believe (despite perceived inconsistencies that people are real happy to bring up) that I have once again been completely transparent with my reads, been question and pushing when I feel something is off, and responded to pressure accordingly. There's also something else that you and gumshoe neglect to mention which I will show in an upcoming post responding to his long posts: inconsistencies do not a scum make. You have to be able to explain why any inconsistencies that may or may not be present are likely to come from scum. Not only do I not believe I was inconsistent anywhere, I certainly do not believe you can show how I am scummy based on those inconsistencies. For example you bring up ET's response to me which I never brought up again. Why is that indicative of scum OR inconsistent? I asked him a question, he answered it, I was satisfied.
You didnt explain and even in this post you are saying Im playing good and Im active, thats not a defense. Finnaly you talk about inconsistencies, but that is a slight scum tell, when you add up multiple inconsistencies over a game it makes a scum.
On November 05 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 00:15 gumshoe wrote:On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Why do I have to assume scum is playing bad? In fact this pond has been so shallow insofar, it's not really an accomplishment being the biggest fish. Speaking of accomplishments, I know the game hasnt gone on long enough but so far the biggest thing I've seen out of you is your waffling on Vanesco, and I've addresed that. Everything else you've said has been inconclusive, example I need to have a close look at hzflank honestly---I need to go look back at how he played his newbies; specifically the scum game I coached. Reading his filter I am not largely satisfied with his defense of the Umasi suspicion and he hasn't done much else, though I can understand being discouraged by all the of unwarranted attacks.
(At least unwarranted in his view. On that note I really don't get your reaction to my perceived slight by hzflank, Onegu. I can definitely take care of myself and you really kinda flew off the handle. Was really bewildering o.O)
There have been very few votes actually placed so far this game, and a minute amount of suspicion on very few targets so it seems to me to be advantageous for scum to simply be satisfied with the status quo thus far and not move suspicion off of the targets who are already under question somewhat, both of whom I believe to be town presently.
Random thought/stream-of-consciousness (since I was reading hzflank's setup analysis which I liked): Would it ever be worth it to simply claim blue roles during the day? Yes we will lose someone immediately I suppose but is that an acceptable risk if it means we can track role usage (assuming no mis-elections I suppose)?
It may not be worth it I guess if we fuck up bad and elect multiple scum since they can lie about getting RBed and implicate a towny in a 2scum 1town election scenario---yeah come to think of it I think it all falls apart if we fuck up and elect scum since they can lie about checks as well, and the nature of the checks makes it a hell of a lot easier to lie (regarding something like Blaspheme, for example). Your all over the place in this particular post, saying you find hz suspicious and then talking about how you liked his setup analysis play later on, also you just sort of acknowledging the stagnation of this thread and let it rest at that... Nothing in here is really of any use, theres no hard cases or defences, it just feels like your pointing us in a direction you yourself havent even bothered to fully take yet. In general it feels like your spreading suspicion around hoping some one picks up on something. Also this point If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. My theory is that hes town and your scum, his actions and responses to yours do not absolve you in any way. Stubborn and independent does not equal attack someone who defends you... Your play just feels to tip toey for my liking, yes your active but in a cautious way and I dont consider town WOs the most careful of players. Also it's funny you find yourself transparent... I dont get that vibe at all, if you are town your baiting scum hard and while that may be smart and pro town it's certainly not honest, so I dont know where your getting this idea of yourself. Btw wheres the voting thread. Alright inconclusivity---I haven't been able to do detailed filter diving/looking into past games until now. What I said about hzflank isn't inconsistent at all. Just because I like one post of his doesn't mean I like his filter on the whole which contains mostly nothing. That's really nitpicky from you gumshoe and I expect better. I fully intend to follow my train of though regarding hzflank once I can dive into his past games, which is exactly what I said in the first bolded section of my post. Not sure why you feel there is a problem there. Would you prefer if I just say nothing to the thread until I can write an essay at a time? Because sadly I'm pretty sure it's evident to you that is not how I play---I prefer stream-of-consciousness and will post whenever and whatever I feel. And on that note---do you REALLY think my posting is 'tip-toeing?' Why the fuck would I as scum post every single thought that goes through my head for the town to read and obsess over like people have been, draw as much attention to myself as possible, and keep positive discussion going? That makes absolutely no sense, and again gumshoe I would figure you'd pick up on that. This kind of behaviour makes zero sense from a mafia standpoint (unless you wanted to make the argument that I'm attempting to spam up the thread with useless shit, about which I'd be pretty pissed if you called all of my posting useless). The fact that you wouldn't call me honest either is frustrating to me, because even in my one fucking scumgame I'm almost completely honest. Not to mention you have no way of proving that at all so it just amounts to an attack on my character. If there is one thing that can be said about my TL Mafia play, I have NEVER lied as town, and very rarely as even 3P or mafia. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 00:39 gumshoe wrote:Also hate to spree post... But WOS what do you mean he took your out... Vanesca has had four posts since your defence of him and none of them adress you or your case. They are all concerning his stance on Umasi, your post had nothing to do with that, he ramped up his offence because everyone started poking him on it. This is the exact response of a head strong player, I fail to see your argument... The bigger question is why are you still so dead set on him? Weve established hes new, probally town, what more does pressing him acomplish other than the stifling of discussion? Do you still consider him a viable lynch? Furthermore I'm not a fan of this stuff right here. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on It reads as if you've already thought of all the holes in your play, you argue thats because noobies make for your most difficult reads but you've transfered that hesitance into play that coincidentally matches that of a cautious scum player anticipating every blow that comes their way. This combined with your many wishy washy posts and your aproach to vanesco is more than enough reason for me to suspect you. Do you actually plan on picking apart everything I do and say? As far as the 'out' I gave Vanesco by means of my analysis of him and my unvoting---in my mind what ET posted and what I did amounts to the same thing. Show nested quote +I redact my earlier scumread on him and (hopefully this doesn't bite me in the ass) he is now noob town.
The OMGUS on Umasi, (OMGUS in my experience tends to be used by town way more often than scum) the blatant disregard for what a towny is 'supposed to do' (why call someone out for no reason whatsoever---only serves to draw attention to himself which he has certainly garnered). I would think a newbie scum would at the very least attempt to backtrack due to inherent guilt when being shown that what he has done is considered scummy here. How is this not related to his aggressive stance on Umasi? Him ramping up his offense in response is exactly what I stated here I don't think a noobie scum would do. How is that unrelated exactly? So in my mind I suppose Vanesco took my out but in his he took ET's, but they are the basically the same thing and the beginning of my analysis to Vanesco was posted even before ET's questions, so we came up with them at similar points in time while thinking similar things---this gives me an incidental townread on ET btw. As for the quote you mentioned---basically the way you set it up I have no way to not look scummy. You don't see anything towny in that whatsoever. If I leave my vote on him I look scummy because Vanesco is town. If I take it off I was making excuses for myself and setting it up. The fact that you have shown to refuse to see the possibility of ANYTHING towny in my play by the way you have attempted to tear apart everything I say and do leaves me troubled because I know you can be a strong force for town, but you're just not doing town a great service by acting this way. At this point I'm finished responding to cases by you against me because I don't feel like there will be anything left to say---you'll either take what I have to say and weigh it and decide whether it makes sense from either point of view and come to the right decision, or you will continue to nitpick and further misrepresent what I am doing and saying to fit your read. Either way I don't feel like there is anything to gain by further discussing me. Onto the subject of hzflank who I will be looking at shortly---Gumshoe what are YOUR thoughts on him? Hell what are your thoughts on anyone aside from me?
This is the first time you actually resond to the case points and post a legit defense. Hours after the case was made. If you posted this first I wouldnt of had a problem with you. But after you just say good play and filter is why you cant be scum without addressing specific points is scummy.
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On November 04 2013 23:22 Onegu wrote:
@ET I have now said sorry twice :p
didn't open with sorry and nothing though
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Sorry, didn't realize Newbie Mafia L wasn't over. Should not have mentioned it.
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Im out for now getting bored with this back and forth as its going nowwhere and just shitting up the thread. Lynch me if you like. Im going to look at other people as I am basicly done with WoS now. His posts are way to over the top now.
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On November 04 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Random thought/stream-of-consciousness (since I was reading hzflank's setup analysis which I liked): Would it ever be worth it to simply claim blue roles during the day? Yes we will lose someone immediately I suppose but is that an acceptable risk if it means we can track role usage (assuming no mis-elections I suppose)?
It may not be worth it I guess if we fuck up bad and elect multiple scum since they can lie about getting RBed and implicate a towny in a 2scum 1town election scenario---yeah come to think of it I think it all falls apart if we fuck up and elect scum since they can lie about checks as well, and the nature of the checks makes it a hell of a lot easier to lie (regarding something like Blaspheme, for example).
What the fuck? You are suggesting that a blue should claim during the day, guaranteeing their death by blue-vig? Are you insane or scum?
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OO and thrawn look the worst atm.
Sylencia i don't think Vanesco is scum.
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I'm not sure on OO.
Thrawn looks bad I agree.
On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs
I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:
rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi
if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread.
I don't understand how a townsman would write a list of all the active people in thread, with a promise of pursuing lurkers, then proceed to not pursue anything.
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I am going to vote for OO if he does not answer me about his question regarding Vayne and Les. I think i was being pretty clear in what i said and why does it matter.
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On November 05 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to vote for OO if he does not answer me about his question regarding Vayne and Les. I think i was being pretty clear in what i said and why does it matter.
On November 05 2013 01:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 20:59 Sylencia wrote:
My guess is that OO misread Vanesco as Vayne(sco) No. It was his interactions with Vayne in that game that clued me in, that's all. No mystery here.
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Rayn that's a pretty shit thing to get hung up about considering it has zero bearing on this game at all, only has anything at all to do with my ability to read WoS as scum.
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What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?
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On November 05 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?
Yes
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Well that makes more sense.
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