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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#301
On November 05 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?

Yes

Wait, what? Do I think he's scum this game? What the fuck are you even asking Rayn. I was talking about my familiarity with WoS scum play in the only game he's been scum in and it looks like you're saying you think I have a scum read on him this game? What's going on here? Can we please drop this nonsense that has nothing to do with Witchcraft?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#302
Okay, cleared up. Let's move on from that tangent :D
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:01 GMT
#303
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:03 GMT
#304
On November 05 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?

I think your argument is rather shit.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2013 20:05 GMT
#305
I think so too.
table for two on a tv tray
Vanesco
Profile Joined October 2013
United States105 Posts
November 04 2013 20:05 GMT
#306
Right now I'm really not liking rayn. I don't feel he has added anything useful to the game. All he has given is a list of who he can read and talking about some other game. He is harping especially hard on a previous game that has no relevance to this game and just seems like spam. His only reads so far have had no justification behind them and his filter just is full of posts that don't contribute anything to the game.
##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

I still don't really like Umasi's points but rayn's posts just seem like general scum play: distract town, spam, avoid giving reasons to reads.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:13 GMT
#307
Sn0 when you know that I've played like 4-5 games with Rayn and he's still somehow shit at reading me does it translate better to frustration? Or are you for serious with calling me over reacting even with that knowledge?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#308
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#309
On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.

Describe to me exactly the difference between "mad" and "frustrated" and "afraid" and how they sound different if you're going to go down this path.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#310
This is seriously a retarded angle I can't believe I'm entertaining you with this.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:25 GMT
#311
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#312
On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.

I'm asking you to justify your stance and you're deflecting having to do that by... doing whatever this is? Hi scum.

##Unvote gumshoe
##Vote Sn0_Man
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#313
Dunked.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#314
My stance is: "why is OO playing so worried? I smell implied guilt" lol

Your response is painful.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:33 GMT
#315
I still don't see a demonstration.

Vote remains.

Still dunked.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:35 GMT
#316
The onus is on you to present a rational case for why I am scum and the best you have is "smell" so get dunked sir.

Vote Sn0 guys. Confirmed scum.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:38 GMT
#317
Iunno i'll let the rest of the thread judge ur actions for themselves. Think I would lynch you though if I had to choose right now lol. Might just be blinded by omgus we'll see.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 21:00 GMT
#318
On November 04 2013 15:06 Vanesco wrote:
So it seems that from all this negative feedback on me not voting that after thinking somebody is very scummy a vote is typical action. From my POV it seemed better not to vote because I don't like lurkers to just get a free ride by latching on, but after seeing the responses I have to agree with most of them and it was a bad play by me. Therefore:
##Vote: Umasi

On November 04 2013 15:50 Vanesco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 15:37 Onegu wrote:
On November 04 2013 15:06 Vanesco wrote:
So it seems that from all this negative feedback on me not voting that after thinking somebody is very scummy a vote is typical action. From my POV it seemed better not to vote because I don't like lurkers to just get a free ride by latching on, but after seeing the responses I have to agree with most of them and it was a bad play by me. Therefore:
##Vote: Umasi



I think I would have liked you better if you didnt vote and stuck to you guns, this seems like "oh crap I better vote him because people are calling me out".

Well I agree with the reasoning which is why I decided to vote. Also since many people commented on it, it seems like a fairly normal thing to do on TL mafia and since I plan on playing many more games, it would be foolish not to adapt. Overall, regardless whether I was voting for him or not, I still stand by Umasi being one of my scum reads.

This is sticking out to me a little bit, but it's a sort of sublime reason. He's brutally honest that he's conforming to expectations.

Heads off any argument about how he's conforming by stating it blatantly. That's a pretty good play if he's scum, but as he's apparently not familiar with the site meta of the regular players I feel semi-forgiving regarding it and think it's in the realm of possibility for coming from a town POV.
On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 19:28 Sylencia wrote:
Options 1/2 about strategy are fairly weak, as I mentioned above, there are biggest fish to fry than foiling strategies most of the time when playing scum (honestly, if scum timezones dont match up good luck with getting anywhere on that, but that's outside the scope of our investigations anyways), and I would've thought that discussing strategy would be a good thing since we can actually get an agreement on some things we should(n't) do, since we've already seen (from you nonetheless) that there are problems in the reveal at night X+1 strategy. Had we not discussed this, someone could've followed the train of thought that we've discussed and just gone through with it without thinking about the fact that scum can possibly realise they've been voted for again the following day.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

Combined with this, I think any Vanesco should move their votes immediately. Of which there is only one, Umasi. Hrm. Time to take a deeper peek.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 21:04 GMT
#319
Umasi is now a person of interest. Meta-mechanics discussion/finger pointing is the core of his contribution.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
November 04 2013 21:28 GMT
#320
On November 05 2013 06:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Umasi is now a person of interest. Meta-mechanics discussion/finger pointing is the core of his contribution.

I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch.
I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
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