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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
November 04 2013 22:18 GMT
#321
Vote Count!


Vanesco (1): Umasi, WaveofShadow
hzflank (0): Onegu
Umasi (0): Vanesco
WaveofShadow (0): gumshoe
Onegu (1): WaveofShadow
gumshoe (0): ObviousOne
raynpelikoneet (1): Vanesco
Sn0_Man (1): ObviousOne

Not Voting (9): Cephiro, Sylencia, Sn0_Man, thrawn, Onegu, EchelonTee, hzflank, raynpelikoneet, WaveofShadow

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched!




It is now Day 1. This Day ends in at Tuesday, Nov 05 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Make sure to get your THREE witchcraft votes in to Ange777 and Blazinghand by that time.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
November 04 2013 23:02 GMT
#322
Aight. That was an interesting read.

As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.

Also, vote me for blue.

I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.

##Vote: WaveOfShadow
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:13 GMT
#323
hello ceph welcome to the party

is that vote supposed to be silly or do you have anything to say about it?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 04 2013 23:15 GMT
#324
On November 05 2013 03:40 gumshoe wrote:
Onegu, ObviusOne, SnO_Man. Meet the peanut gallery. None of them actually agree or disagree with my theory, which is fine because it's mediocre at best, but no doubt at least one of them is scum.


This jumped out at me, because the conclusion of Gumshoe's entry post was mediocre. I liked the post, but the only affect it had on me regarding WoS's alignment was “I should read WoS again with this in mind”.

Gumshoe's post seemed to trigger Snoman's first content post of the game.

On November 05 2013 01:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
Can WoS post this actively as scum? Not a fan of his take on the game so far.


I assume that by 'his take on the game' you mean his reads? Well you know that disagreeing with someone's reads does not make them scum. You also fail to say which reads or why you disagree with them. Additionally, WoS's reads changed a bit before he read Gumshoe's post, but not between that and you making your post.

So, you think WoS might be scum, but your reason that you state for that is not based on the exchange between WoS and Gumshoe. But if you think that WoS is scum then I would think that you would at least reference their exchange for one reason or another.

On November 05 2013 01:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
"Hey guys i'm super excited I rolled scum which I never do. OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY"
-WoS

Iunno. Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop.

In other news, much desire to lynch Onegu. A) he's always scum B) I never catch/suspect him.


Here you give an additional reason for thinking that WoS is scum, which is purely a meta reason. It's not really a meta reason that can be questioned either, as you are basing it on a feeling.

It's one thing to call someone scum without a good reason, or to call someone scum but not follow up in it. But to do both at the same time? Is there a point to doing it that I am missing?

Then when you move on, you happen to move onto Onegu who is the exact person that WoS thinks is scum. If you feel uncomfortable with WoS, then you should also feel uncomfortable with wanting to lynch the same person that he wants to lynch.

On the other hand, your reasons for desiring to lynch Onegu are a joke. If you were completely joking (about wanting to lynch Onegu, not the reasons) then my previous paragraph becomes void. It also means everything you posted was pointless (attack WoS, get response so use joke to detatch).

Moving on to Sno's exchange with OO:

On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.


Snoman very casually removes himself from the discussion. If Snoman wanted information on OO then this was his time to do so, but it just seems like Snoman actually wants to run away.

I don't care how little confidence you have in your D1 reads, if you twice have the chance to question your scum reads directly and twice decide to distance yourself from them instead then you do not really think that they are scum.

##vote: Sno_man
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
November 04 2013 23:15 GMT
#325
Not a silly vote, most serious in fact. I very much liked some of the points gumshoe pointed out, even if targeting WoS wasn't his main aim of the case.

I also have secondary reasons for voting WoS.

And thank you for the welcome.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:17 GMT
#326
On November 05 2013 08:15 Cephiro wrote:
Not a silly vote, most serious in fact. I very much liked some of the points gumshoe pointed out, even if targeting WoS wasn't his main aim of the case.

I also have secondary reasons for voting WoS.

And thank you for the welcome.


well if you plan on staying this course then I might have to fight you later but for now I'd rather WoS manage it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
November 04 2013 23:19 GMT
#327
That's reasonable. What's your opinion of ET?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:29 GMT
#328
On November 05 2013 08:19 Cephiro wrote:
That's reasonable. What's your opinion of ET?


Eh, not sure yet. I just recently realized that I played with him in Looney Lynching, but that was a long time ago and I think he was killed early on. It's been hard for me to judge his play because I can't ever remember what he talks about. That is understandable as the game's only lasted 24 hours so I'm withholding judgement on him because I really have no clue at this point. In my notes all I've written about him is "need more to decide." If I had to guess I'd say he's town because his posts seem direct and honest.

short version = town points for tone, null points for content
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:33 GMT
#329
Why do you ask about ET? Were you just wanting to know what I think about him or do you have a reason to talk about him?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 04 2013 23:38 GMT
#330
Sigh, missed this.

On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con".

How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled?


On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con".

How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled?

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:
On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play.


Relax there.

Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it.

If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself?

I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.


Why is it so important for Syl to answer your question about blue roles?

I mean, that is the least important type of question that someone could ignore. What were you expecting to get out of Syl?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:43 GMT
#331
Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
November 04 2013 23:43 GMT
#332
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 04 2013 23:45 GMT
#333
On November 05 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 06:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Umasi is now a person of interest. Meta-mechanics discussion/finger pointing is the core of his contribution.

I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch.
I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy.


Well Vanesco has posted several things since your last post regarding him. How did they affect your read on him? Even if you still think that he is scum, there must be some more detail in there now.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:47 GMT
#334
On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote:
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must.


Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 04 2013 23:49 GMT
#335
On November 05 2013 08:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc.


When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 04 2013 23:51 GMT
#336
On November 05 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc.


When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game.


This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 23:59 GMT
#337
Fuck that, he said I smell. Hang'em.

Heat wave is coming
Sno man gonna melt
Dunked
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
November 05 2013 00:05 GMT
#338
On November 05 2013 08:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote:
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must.


Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it?


Yes, I didn't intend to start off with a case, neither reason my vote on WoS more specificly. If there is someone you want my general or specific opinion on, just ask. I have several reads to a direction or another, as well as many nullreads. I just don't consider most of them to be worth sharing right now. Nevertheless I'm content with joining in like this, and I intend to make my thought process clear regarding my reads to the most extent, excluding possible thingamagics I have a tendency of pulling off.

As for a more concise reply: It is because I wanted to not present all my thoughts in the open immediately. I can "fix" it by replying to any queries you might have. I will also be sharing more content when I find it necessary.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 05 2013 00:06 GMT
#339
On November 05 2013 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:15 Cephiro wrote:
Not a silly vote, most serious in fact. I very much liked some of the points gumshoe pointed out, even if targeting WoS wasn't his main aim of the case.

I also have secondary reasons for voting WoS.

And thank you for the welcome.


well if you plan on staying this course then I might have to fight you later but for now I'd rather WoS manage it

I'm sick of managing shit.
You go right ahead.


Interesting case on Sn0, hzflank. I don't feel particularly good about Sn0 right now but your case doesn't quite do it for me. He has basically specifically absolved himself of all responsibility in the day thus far so you attacking him on thsoe points is just kinda 'meh' with me because he isn't really going to care I imagine. I could lynch him BECAUSE he's being particularly useless but it would probably end up being more akin to a policy lynch than for the reasons you mentioned.

Also I still have to go back and look at your scum newbie because I kinda forgot.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 00:08 GMT
#340
On November 05 2013 09:05 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote:
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must.


Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it?


Yes, I didn't intend to start off with a case, neither reason my vote on WoS more specificly. If there is someone you want my general or specific opinion on, just ask. I have several reads to a direction or another, as well as many nullreads. I just don't consider most of them to be worth sharing right now. Nevertheless I'm content with joining in like this, and I intend to make my thought process clear regarding my reads to the most extent, excluding possible thingamagics I have a tendency of pulling off.

As for a more concise reply: It is because I wanted to not present all my thoughts in the open immediately. I can "fix" it by replying to any queries you might have. I will also be sharing more content when I find it necessary.


hmmm

can't really fault you for this as it's pretty close to how I'm feeling about this game

##Vote:Raynpelikoneet

lol rayn i'd much prefer our constant bickering from last game over our interactions in this one
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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