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On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum?
Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now.
On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro looks town to me.
thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in..
lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations?
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On November 05 2013 10:10 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum? Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro looks town to me.
thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations?
Are you and I the same person?
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yeah
There's a good chance that I'm going to buddy you all game. That shouldn't be a big deal cuz we are both obv town right?
confirmed town circle now accepting applications
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On November 05 2013 10:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah
There's a good chance that I'm going to buddy you all game. That shouldn't be a big deal cuz we are both obv town right?
confirmed town circle now accepting applications
/in
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oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list
nevertheless, accepted
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Ill catch up later in the morning.
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rayn where did you go, I just "lied" to you.... shouldn't you be in here spamming the thread trying to get me lynched?
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On November 05 2013 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list
nevertheless, accepted
We must use this power wisely.
Can we agree that gumshoe is a person of interest? Huh. I wonder if he has enough recent history to get a meta baseline.
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Blazinghand
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Remember to cast your Witchcraft votes via PM to both me and ange777 before the end of D1!
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Um....
I don't do well with town circles. I'm a pretty paranoid guy by nature even when talking to the towniest confirmed town that ever towned.
As is thrawn you are certainly not obvtown in my eyes at this point. In fact I think I like OO more than you currently. If you show me some of that play you were talking about in your above post then mabes we'll have something. 
In any case you need not worry about what I think of you because today's lynch comes down to one of Umasi/Onegu/Sn0 in my eyes. Currently still want Onegu.
Slightly below that on the scumdar are hzflank and Cephiro.
Hzflank because I expect a great deal more from him. White flag just ended and look at his activity and behaviour there----and I may be giving him an out here but perhaps his activity in this game suffered because of that one? The thing is low activity =/= scum with him since he was very towny and active in the newbie in which I coached him. He just doesn't look mega towny right now, but not super scum either.
Cephiro cause wtf.
As for the rest, I await big things. Even from you, Syl.
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On November 05 2013 10:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list
nevertheless, accepted We must use this power wisely. Can we agree that gumshoe is a person of interest? Huh. I wonder if he has enough recent history to get a meta baseline.
I'm fine on gumshoe right now.
You know, that witchcraft vote reminder gave me another convenient thought.
Why would you announce 'town circle' type stuff to the thread when we don't want scum knowing who we vote for? Are you creating 'easy targets' for town to sheep along their votes and as a result, easy targets for scum?
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Sorry the lower paragraph is directed at thrawn.
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I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.
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On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.
The scum Rayn I remember would be more likely to push for your lynch in some way than what I'm seeing here, considering his opinion from my interpretation of the game state is an unpopular one. You could pin him for not really thinking about the game or participating very much but it's early and from what I'm seeing he's not going out of his way to interact with his scum buddies in the thread which is another thing I expect of scum Rayn. Basically his apathy right now, for D1, and I'll have to reformulate my opinion about him later, is that he's more likely town than scum. Unless his partners are in the inactives and shit but again that's a problem for later.
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On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.
What did he catch you lying at?
As for not voting him---it's circumstantial.
First of all, when was the last time you've played with Rayn? I'm not a huge fan of people using a heavy meta basis for their reads on someone, especially when they haven't played with said person in a long time.
Rayn has been making a conscious effort not to spam thread anymore in his town games. The passive way he's going after people right now doesn't seem that much different from the poking and prodding you've done thus far, the only difference is yes, I am used to rayn being a lot more active and useful than this even in his 'reduced-spam' state.
He says he isn't going to be lazy so I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. If we're lynching him on the basis of laziness then we are policy lynching him and I am not comfortable with that currently. If his play continues as such I will become increasingly more comfortable with it---though I can say I would still rather find and lynch scum today and it is entirely possible (and likely imo) that Rayn is doing this as town. I have reasons for thinking this which I don't think are necessary or appropriate to bring into thread right now, though I will if absolutely necessary.
Rayn knows what I am talking about and can bring it up himself if he so chooses.
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I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn.
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On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn.
Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn.
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On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn. Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn.
HAHA have you been reading?
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On November 05 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads. The scum Rayn I remember would be more likely to push for your lynch in some way than what I'm seeing here, considering his opinion from my interpretation of the game state is an unpopular one. You could pin him for not really thinking about the game or participating very much but it's early and from what I'm seeing he's not going out of his way to interact with his scum buddies in the thread which is another thing I expect of scum Rayn. Basically his apathy right now, for D1, and I'll have to reformulate my opinion about him later, is that he's more likely town than scum. Unless his partners are in the inactives and shit but again that's a problem for later.
So you're saying that his play here doesn't look like his scum play? I have been saying that this doesn't look like town rayn and I think both of us are right. So throw all the meta out the window and judge his play based on this game only, you still think he's townie?
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On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
What did he catch you lying at?
earlier I said I dont remember ever playing with Syl when apparently he was scum in the most recent game I played lol
On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
First of all, when was the last time you've played with Rayn? I'm not a huge fan of people using a heavy meta basis for their reads on someone, especially when they haven't played with said person in a long time.
Rayn has been making a conscious effort not to spam thread anymore in his town games. The passive way he's going after people right now doesn't seem that much different from the poking and prodding you've done thus far, the only difference is yes, I am used to rayn being a lot more active and useful than this even in his 'reduced-spam' state.
Desert mini, he was a pain in my ass all game long
I just looked at Onegu and I'm not seeing it. I can tell you why I think he's town but I'd rather have you tell me why he's not.
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