World Heavyweight Championship mafia - Page 139

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=10#196
His opening post comes in with a lot of town reads but nothing of real note. Why give town reads there? I'm already against giving town reads in general, but why give town reads there? You should never give town reads because that gives scum information for the night kill... unless you're just flat out not worried about giving scum information for their night kills and want that town cred.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=11#201
retraction
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=11#205
justification
Why does a town Clarity feel the need to justify his retracted town read and say "I totally wasn't laying a trap." Why not just leave the retraction? Better yet, why not explain in your retraction what you find scummy about sloosh?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=11#208
This is filler, and I wouldn't point it out if it didn't set the course for what Clarity has done all game, blend. Why does Clarity look at around 5 pages of posting and think there's nothing to talk about? Why does town Clarity decide there's nothing to talk about, and then ask BH if there's anything he'd like to talk about? Why are you just sitting around doing nothing and not contributing. It's pretty clear that BH has been active in the thread, so he's already talking about things. Why are you asking him what he wants to talk about when he's already talking about something?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=11#213
This is the post immediately after Dirk makes his post. So Clarity is around and sees that post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=11#219
Jumps on marv for dropping a vote without actually reading it, which means he's around and reading the thread, and has read Dirk's case on HF.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=12#223
Says he totally agrees with Marv's reasoning, not just after reading Dirk's post but after also calling marv out and getting smacked down for it. Why is this scummy? Because an apparently suspicious of marv individual immediately does a 180 and sheeps with the suspicious individual after not finding Dirk's post suspicious. It goes towards the blending throughout the game that Clarity does.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=12#240
Clarity questions his sheep vote after Dirk begins to defend himself. So you agreed with marv earlier after doing a flip around of your suspicions, and you still agree with him because you say you're not going to move your vote (why say that at all) and then you defend Dirk while still not moving your vote.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=13#246
First sloosh soft push. Why?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=13#250
No reason.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=15#283
More sloosh pressure, not alignment indicative, just here to establish the pattern.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=15#292
First instance of Clarity/marv brofest, but Clarity's post is 3 minutes after marv's. Plenty of time to make a sheep post. If the posts were made at the same time like later ones I'd be more inclined to believe it really was two people thinking the same.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=15#294
Why say this when marv is clearly making the first posts and you're sheeping him? This is really suspect, because it implies that Clarity is trying to paint the picture in marv's mind that this is typical Clarity sheepage when it really isn't.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=15#294
This is where Clarity and rayn first interact with each other. I think it's telling. It feels forced. Read the entire conversation through and ask yourself, "Is there really anything here?" As far as I can tell, it's Clarity giving rayn a summary of what has happened without noting that the need for him to summarize for rayn is scummy, and then leading rayn through the conversation. Didn't I get called scummy for summarizing things in my cases even though in addition to summary there was actual accusations and things that needed to be answered?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=17#336
Clarity's defense of my initial case on him. None of it is particularly alignment indicative, but the very ending where he agrees with the town read from rayn is sketch as fuck. Why? Because why does rayn have an unqualified town read on me? Why isn't Clarity pointing this out? Why is Clarity advancing this point?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=17#337
More rayn/Clarity interaction. This time Rayn begins to pressure Clarity and immediately drops it. Like no follow up post, just a Clarity response that is super sketch and then nothing. Why does rayn go nowhere with this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=18#347
Back to sloosh. It appears here that Clarity thought giving town reads meant town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=20#385
Just kidding, back to soft pushing sloosh. Note that his vote hasn't been on sloosh at all this entire game to this point, as seen here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=20#386 , and yet he's been soft pushing him over and over. This unwillingness to commit to a vote that isn't a sheeped vote seems really odd.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=21#408
Clarity case on Dirk. Damn, he must find this guy really scummy, I wonder if he's going to maintain that pressure.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=21#412
First defense of rayn. Calls rayn the easy lynch instead of addressing what has made people think rayn is scummy in the first place.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=22#433
Marv comes in with a defense of Dirk and unvotes, note that this occurs shortly after Clarity has begun waffling on Dirk after BH endorses Dirk with an "I don't want to lynch him" post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=22#434
Clarity says marv is sheeping him, again attempting to paint the picture that marv has been sheeping Clarity and they therefor have similar thoughts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=22#435
Marv immediately catches it, Clarity responds that he has been joking.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=22#437
Marv calls out what, in essence, is a defense of everyone post. Like you can't find anything scummy out of everything that has gone down thus far? Other people find people scummy, why don't you?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=23#448
Clarity is defending me against Oats by saying I was the first to push him. Clarity clearly has a developed awareness of the thread, but his awareness doesn't extend to doing anything beyond soft pushing sloosh?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=25#486
Sweet, someone bit.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=25#489
I normally wouldn't have a problem with this vote, but it has come now after a serious amount of soft pushing. Why wasn't your vote on him earlier? Why did you need Dirk coming in and finding sloosh suspicious before you moved your vote there?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=26#504
Another defense of rayn. Don't think it's a defense? It's what Calrity has been doing all game, but now in favor of rayn instead of himself. He calls out the scummy thing, and immediately slides it under the rug by shifting the attention to my attitude following my case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=26#507
Didn't you guys already have this almost exact conversation? Didn't you include something very similar to it in your defense of my case? This is followed by more defending rayn.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=31#602
Unproductive? There's so much in the thread. You have your vote on sloosh. You have cases all over the place, and you call it unproductive? This fits the pattern of Clarity trying to paint a picture for people that doesn't resemble what has actually happened.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=32#625
How about the reverse, do YOU have a read on rayn? Why are you asking for other people's reads on someone you've defended while not commiting to anything on?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=35#697
Continuation of a soft push that has been building on me for a while now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=37#729
More soft push, but this time he's not the one who had to get his hands dirty, so he can just point the finger at marv. Why didn't you check the times here if you're going to bring it up? Why soft push me, aim the blame at marv, and then slink away?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=42#821
Sees my name in a post, sees the word case, immediately rushes to make a post hassling me. Wouldn't town Clarity have taken his time to read my post here 15 minutes prior? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=41#816

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=43#846
Sloosh makes a really good point here. Why is Clarity speaking for rayn?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=43#850
You knew rayn's response because you asked BH the question? Is that a scum slip? I don't see town Clarity doing something like this. Did Clarity realize his error and then slip up with this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=44#865
More defense of rayn. No, rayn was quite clearly in thread willing to vote for someone he had a public town read on. He listed the people he thought marv would direct him to, and then said marv choose someone. That means exactly what I was saying at the time, that rayn was willing to lynch a town read. Why have you spent so much time defending rayn instead of looking into what others have found scummy about him at this point?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=45#895
Nah, don't lynch rayn, lynch Risen
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=46#914
Unexplained town read is bad for anyone not rayn.

It's really just a lot of rayn defense towards the end of page 7 in Clarity's filter. Go there yourself.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=53#1055
This sounds really familiar, who could be just like that I wonder?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=56#1113
"Hey guys you willing to move over to someone I haven't really made a case on but is not named rayn?"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=56#1120
Rayn wagon gaining speed, won't lynch rayn.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=57#1134
Desperation is setting in, thread sentiment is leaving sloosh. Who can possibly get enough votes to at least cause a no lynch? Risen.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=58#1142
Still a person not named Rayn.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=59#1169
Directing rayn to me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=60#1186
Directing holy to me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=60#1199
Rayn is trying to cause a no lynch and Clarity is still unwilling to lynch him. Still trying to push anyone not rayn.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=61#1214
Not rayn.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=62#1235
Finally rayn. In the end where there is no option left to Clarity but to lynch rayn or watch rayn get lynched d2 and then himself d3 Clarity moves over.

The sequence of defenses and pushes onto people he actually doesn't make a case on but are not named rayn are what make Clarity the final scum. He's done it before, conveniently in a game marv was a part of. Sweet. Let's look at Clarity that game in Mario Mini.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=Clarity_nl&currentpage=6
Look at page 6 in particular. Does he defend someone who is going to flip scum? Sure, but only because of the last second nature of it. Nowhere in his defense of rayn does Clarity say that. Rayn's lynch isn't last second, because cases HAVE been made against him, unlike the hapa situation where Clarity says there have NOT been cases made against him so don't lynch him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=71#1403 Here with rayn the only similarity is an unwillingness to lynch. I'm only addressing this because you all seem to love meta so much and this was used as a defense of Clarity earlier.

Marv in this night does something that's anti-town, but that I have done in a very recent town game of mine, offer the 1 for 1. It doesn't seem alignment indicative to me, though, and could honestly be slightly scummy, but Clarity is of the opinion 100% that marv is town. How does he have such certainty? Up to this point he's simply been sheeping marv over and over.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=69#1375
Marv is pushing someone, better make it apparent that marv is the driving force behind this push though and not you, just in case sloosh flips town and someone sees how much soft pushing you've been doing.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=73#1454
This should indicate that a town Clarity would be doing the things he advises, but he isn't. He's just saying this to try and paint me in a bad light. Where has Clarity actually pushed a read of his all game with any conviction? I see the Dirk thing after Dirk is already suspected by the thread and nothing else.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=83#1644
I've tried to avoid it, but I really fucking HATE when people misrepresent what I say. It doesn't help that Clarity has been misrepresenting a lot of things already this game. I didn't call three people scum. I said very clearly I felt we should be lynching into people not on the rayn train. It also conveniently happens that both my top scum reads were marv and Oats because both of them were saying something that was straight out WRONG. Something marv has come out and said he was wrong on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1651&topic_id=430498
More misrepresentation of me by Clarity. Are you setting up for a lynch on me after sloosh? (First part scummy, second party speculation)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=84#1673
Now that rayn has flipped scum you call his town read on me weird when before it didn't even make you suspicious of him (I'm making an assumption here, since you defended him so hard)

In my notes I have something about Clarity calling me town only after marv does.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=89#1761
He tosses out that he might be willing to lynch marv after sheeping the guy throughout the entire game. This reads to me as someone who is keeping their options open because they know sloosh is going to flip town, but he totally still has a town read on marv.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=92#1829
What's with the pointless question? There's regular filler, not that scummy, and then there's filler where someone is simply posting in an attempt to blend. This is case number 2. Clarity knows exactly what it means. In fact, after sloosh has flipped town Clarity is all about the Dirk lynch, so why is he expressing surprise here?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=95#1891
I said it in my notes and I'll say it again here. This IS confirmation bias, but it fits like a glove. Clarity sees everyone left giving out town reads on me and decides he needs a new patsy, and who is left? He can't say marv at this point, he's been riding him since the beginning of the game. He has to say HF. I can't stand straight up town reads he's handing out, either. So he has HF and Dirk left to him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=97#1940
What happened to HF? Do you stick to reads at all? Seems to me it's been sheep marv and stick with it all game long. How convenient that very recently before this marv has given HF a town read. Screw your suspicion earlier, marv has a town read folks!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=107#2124
I'm really fucking bothered by this post. Where did you drop your HF suspicion? It literally is, "Marv had a town read on HF and I dropped it entirely." This is so fuckign scummy, how are you blindly trusting Marv like this? Very recently in your filter you advocating for lynching me over Dirk your main scum read here so I couldn't lead a mislynch onto marv at lylo. HOW DO YOU KNOW MARV IS TOWN?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=107#2127
Seems like a totally town thing to do. Drop off a HF scum read and then scoot away. I swear marv called sloosh out on something like this early in the game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=111#2201
And what are you doing to remedy the situation? Looks to me like you're once again soft pushing the shit out of someone and waiting for someone else to come along and grab onto it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=117#2335
Another preemptive defense that casts a shadow on anyone who would dare cast suspicion on Clarity or marv who are both confirmed town right? No.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=119#2364
Another dop off he waits for someone to pick up on. Dirk grabs on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=119#2371
Shouldn't this be something you do before casting the suspicion? How fucking scummy is this? HOW FUCKING SCUMMY IS THIS?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=126#2509
You're willing to simply accept that you've sheeped someone from day 1? Is that because you know marv is town? Is it because you know you're playing with a town marv?

And now we're to tonight. We have Clarity's trolling and his fishing for night kills. Nothing clears him tonight, in my opinion.