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On August 20 2013 00:24 OmniEulogy wrote:just got on the computer, read through things quickly and I'll give a more detailed answer to everything in a little bit but I've played with a lot of people who play like LosK has been doing, all of them have been town. Most of what he's said and done has largely just messed with town, and although he is my weakest town read he is still town imo. All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment. Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts. Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead. I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me 
I expect more of you. In this post you only repeat what has been said earlier (by me).
The most important question for me is: Why do you think scum Deus or slam voted like that if you think iVLosk is town? Why should they make themselves look bad if they could just stay on the active townie instead of the completely useless one?
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On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"?
Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on?
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On August 20 2013 00:52 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"? Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on?
Yeah. Principle was "I refuse to lynch town and we said we would lynch lurkers and also it feels like I am being svengali'd to vote iVLosK! somehow". In other words, I was practically going nuts, is it impossible to read the intense atmosphere at the time?
And lol- good point, but yes my read is idunno, leaning town. I am saying if he thinks it's scum it's my fault anyway, so being wrong is not scummy like I wish it was. Then anyone who accused me would be scum and I'd win every town game :D
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EBWOP: *If he thinks I'm scum
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Now more on Deus.
I personally like him shutting down discussion of the Xzav tomfoolery, because no more suspicion of me- Yay!
However, as a Town oriented player, I really dislike it. Why should any discussion be stifled? And here he is using bully tactics too; "It is scummy to talk about it anymore"- no it isn't! Although I wish everyone would just forget it, we need to hash out whether or not scum was involved. I really don't like stifling that.
That being said, I think Deus could be thinking about "Priority 1: establish your innocence", so this is the best way to do that. However, it could be "Scum priority: stay alive" so not anything better than null from me.
I will keep looking into things and talkin
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On August 20 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:24 OmniEulogy wrote:just got on the computer, read through things quickly and I'll give a more detailed answer to everything in a little bit but I've played with a lot of people who play like LosK has been doing, all of them have been town. Most of what he's said and done has largely just messed with town, and although he is my weakest town read he is still town imo. All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment. Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts. Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead. I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me I expect more of you. In this post you only repeat what has been said earlier (by me). The most important question for me is: Why do you think scum Deus or slam voted like that if you think iVLosk is town? Why should they make themselves look bad if they could just stay on the active townie instead of the completely useless one?
Just clarifying, is this FoS on iVLosK!?
Or clearing of Deus, Me, Holy?
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For now it is just a question I want answered.
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On August 20 2013 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:52 LoneMeow wrote:On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"? Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on? Yeah. Principle was "I refuse to lynch town and we said we would lynch lurkers and also it feels like I am being svengali'd to vote iVLosK! somehow". In other words, I was practically going nuts, is it impossible to read the intense atmosphere at the time? And lol- good point, but yes my read is idunno, leaning town. I am saying if he thinks it's scum it's my fault anyway, so being wrong is not scummy like I wish it was. Then anyone who accused me would be scum and I'd win every town game :D
I don't really see how it was that intense compared to many other lynches that have gone around in games you've been in.
Could you point out what changed your opinion on iVLosK! so drastically from "I could lynch him" to "he's definitely town, so I'll rather random lynch a 0-poster"? You must have been quite sure that he's town to consider a 0-poster lynch a better option at 2/9 odds of hitting scum.
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So Alakaslam, who would you lynch right now?
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On August 20 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:24 OmniEulogy wrote:just got on the computer, read through things quickly and I'll give a more detailed answer to everything in a little bit but I've played with a lot of people who play like LosK has been doing, all of them have been town. Most of what he's said and done has largely just messed with town, and although he is my weakest town read he is still town imo. All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment. Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts. Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead. I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me I expect more of you. In this post you only repeat what has been said earlier (by me). The most important question for me is: Why do you think scum Deus or slam voted like that if you think iVLosk is town? Why should they make themselves look bad if they could just stay on the active townie instead of the completely useless one?
I'm back, I think one if not both of them scum slipped in the worst way possible. Scum make mistakes and it is our job to find those mistakes and lynch them for it. In my first game scum literally said "this is my first game as mafia" and because I didn't push that lynch hard enough we ended up lynching a townie who tried to defend him. I see the vote on Xzavier by Slam and Deus as pretty much the same thing. "Oops I'm not used to playing as scum and I panicked" LosK's alignment doesn't fucking matter until we know which one of Deus or Slam is scum. If they both are we win the game but if it's only one of them and the other sheeped him or tried to make it look like a sheep vote THEN we can discuss LosK being scum.
I've mentioned it before but trying to figure out LosK's alignment from this is pointless right now.
On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
instead of trying to put together connections that don't exist yet I believe we should ONLY be looking at Slam and Deus for lynch candidates today.
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@above: I was NOT THINKING THAT CLEARLY lone. The way I saw it was WHOLLY UNreasonable; I saw it as not falling for a day1 mislynch again without giving a player with some exp a chance to shine versus someone lurking like mad.
I have no thought to "how likely is Xzavier to be scum" because I was thinking "HolyFlare made a good point about lurking last-second posters, I bet Xzavier does last minute" etc etc- the switch was 100% nervous voter's remorse sheep.
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Oh yeah
I would lynch either you or deus xD more likely Deus
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Fuck I have a post on a lot of people but seeing as you're talking about slam now, I'll just paste that bit, don't wanna dilute the conversation
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This is to get people to shape the fuck up, it's not going to be a read on everyone because that would get me killed but rather I want you to look at the overall shape of the game so far. What has been happening, who has been pushing who? Who has died and why? Who has not contributed anything?
When you can look at it objectively things become incredibly transparent. Koshi was a replacement for a town member, he was killed within the first night of him joining. Why? It's because he was on the right track and had it all figured out (I mean it's not rocket science anyway). I therefore only want to focus on the 3 people that were most suspicious to him: iVLosK!, Alakaslam and Deus. Yes, they might not ALL be scum, but at least one of them is probably. The real question is who should we be lynching today?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars. But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker? If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars. Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him? While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content? If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM? Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true  ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this: Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!!
+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 09:19 reps)squishy wrote:On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around. This one liner is pretty funny. It's like I am not a Lurker ahhh!!! I as far as who we lynch always the most obvious person day1. If you don't have a super obvious person day 1 go lurker. And as the games go on Liars over Lurkers. Some people have alot of IRL stuff going on but if they don't contribute they need to go. As far as Alakaslams videos and iVLosK!'s rap + Show Spoiler +Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing.
Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am everything you ever were afraid of.
Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing.
Holla-Holla Loo-Yuh
Yeah, you rappers bore me, I wanna kill you
Do it for me and I'll holla-holla. I do mind it very much. But when it gets repetitive I will not tolerate it. Hiya! Glad you're here. Have you listened to Chloe? The most relevant stuff is up to 0:55 and the most relevant part follows immediately. "You DON'T say!" "WHERE ARE YOU YOU OLD BAT" It's my lurker siren. Better than a list post, as it's more personal. A fast way to state my opinion on it. As for page 35 FTW type stuff I promise not to do that unless you seem like you are actually scum this time. Also, the lynch style is different. So we are more encouraged to stick to our guns. And believe me, I am trying hard to tone it down but I get the juices flowing... I mean really I can be nuts like 3 vids one page & stuff. I promise to not do that here.
He started off initially really differently from the last game I played with him. I put this down to wanting to evolve his play but over time he has made me question that.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 11:20 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 11:08 iVLosK! wrote:
We in Kansas tend to look at California with a mixture of disdain, pity, and confusion. Even more so outside the city. Seems they know our politics well. /can't saytoomuch online Yeah. County by county it gets nuts, but it's a great state. Gun in the truck? CA; Huge fine, gotta register all over the place etc. unless you have a good reason, and obey tons of statutes to do it legally when you have said reason AZ: dude laughs at me calls me paranoid enough potassium to destroy an office building? CA; "Move along, move along". AZ: "excuse me. What is the load you're carrying?" ... "I see you are with a fertilizer company. I think you had better tell me what you're carrying son." ..." Ok good. What for?" ... "Ok. ID?" ... "Thank you. Go." And AZ gets a bad rap. Hmm. I think it is just different priorities. So back to mafia: what is who is scum and why isn't anyone else talking?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 11:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 11:31 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 11:20 Alakaslam wrote:On August 17 2013 11:08 iVLosK! wrote:
We in Kansas tend to look at California with a mixture of disdain, pity, and confusion. Even more so outside the city. Seems they know our politics well. /can't saytoomuch online Yeah. County by county it gets nuts, but it's a great state. Gun in the truck? CA; Huge fine, gotta register all over the place etc. unless you have a good reason, and obey tons of statutes to do it legally when you have said reason AZ: dude laughs at me calls me paranoid enough potassium to destroy an office building? CA; "Move along, move along". AZ: "excuse me. What is the load you're carrying?" ... "I see you are with a fertilizer company. I think you had better tell me what you're carrying son." ..." Ok good. What for?" ... "Ok. ID?" ... "Thank you. Go." And AZ gets a bad rap. Hmm. I think it is just different priorities. So back to mafia: what is who is scum and why isn't anyone else talking? Gun in the truck? Kansas: No reaction because there's a gun in every truck in Kansas. reps looks like shit for: EDITING HIS FUCKING POST On August 17 2013 09:19 reps)squishy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around. This one liner is pretty funny. It's like I am not a Lurker ahhh!!! I as far as who we lynch always the most obvious person day1. If you don't have a super obvious person day 1 go lurker. And as the games go on Liars over Lurkers. Some people have alot of IRL stuff going on but if they don't contribute they need to go. As far as Alakaslams videos and iVLosK!'s rap + Show Spoiler +Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing.
Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am everything you ever were afraid of.
Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh
I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing.
Holla-Holla Loo-Yuh
Yeah, you rappers bore me, I wanna kill you
Do it for me and I'll holla-holla. I do mind it very much. But when it gets repetitive I will not tolerate it. EBWOP: Correction I don't mind it. Also I am not to fond of constant one liners or posts that are not constructive "I fucking mind you coming in and WASTING the very first post of the game (which was totally going to be filled with more useful scumhunting) with a bomb-ass rap song... EBWOP: Wait, I don't mind. So this post is just filler now." On August 17 2013 09:49 reps)squishy wrote:I read all pages so far. I am suspicious of iV. He believes in lynch all liers and also stated town has plenty of reasons to lie. Is it me or does that seem a little scummy. Proof. 1. On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM? 2. There are plenty of reasons to lie as town. Part of this game is misleading scum about what your own abilities and intentions are. He's suspicious of me because he caught me contradicting myself. Okay. I, of course, made it clear that the above was plain sarcasm. On August 17 2013 10:01 reps)squishy wrote:
Welp that clears my suspicion of you, Sorry. iVLosK! who do you think is suspicious? And he's done. He's made his D1 contribution and wants to know what others think now. Reps, you claim to hate one-liners and lurkers, but if you take away your first real post (and you did, with that EBWOP), that's about all that you've done here. As it is, you just moved a step up on my "To lynch" list and Deus is going up there with you for immediately jumping on the first wagon he could find when he had just been talking about pressuring lurkers 15 minutes earlier. There are border patrol stations in Kansas? ... Why? And oh man iVLosK!, careful there. You may wanna check out the game to which I refer with "page 35 FTW".... These aren't scum tells with reps.
These 2 posts (and a few more) are where he completely devolved into off-topicness and then lightly throws in a question of asking for reads.
However, these things pale in comparison to what the fuck happened at the voting stage. This is exactly the same scenario as last game too which is beyond annoying because last game he did the same thing and was town.
Initially I posted a lot of info against iVLosK! because quite frankly he was scummy as fuck and many of the town agreed with me, including Slam: + Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 02:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Why is this town so inactive? What happened to Deus for example? Is it the timezone? Deadline is in one hour if I'm not mistaken so people should start posting! I will definitely second this. If I am right in my suspicions, IVLosk should be first lynch. If I am wrong we really shouldn't lynch any of them ofc.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 03:01 Alakaslam wrote:
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 03:03 Alakaslam wrote:
I can't be another modkill ##vote iVLosK!
and finally
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##Vote Xzavier
He has a "bad feeling" that makes him completely switch his vote, like what, there is NO reasoning whatsoever for that. Obviously there are several conclusions that can be drawn from this:
1) He was actually indecisive. Although for no reason. At that point in time after being sure IvLosK! would be the first lynch he had second and seemingly third thoughts, his voting pattern seems to be that of a extremely indecisive townsperson that has trouble seeing everything in perspective, although this could be because of #2.
2) He was surprised by the towns vote concensus, knew IvLosK! was scum and had to bandwagon, saw that I had an afk vote on Xzavier and took that into consideration. However, it should be shown that Slam changed his vote to Xzavier AFTER Deus did, he saw that he could bandwagon and kill a townie, taking his vote off a scum counterpart for a free town kill would be easy seeing as 2 people were already on him so he would take less flak for it because other townies would be supporting his decision.
What further raises suspicions is the posts afterwards, + Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 05:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Sigh... That vote was really stupid.
Deus man, why didn't you answer me.
I should have stayed on iVLosk or something.
Man I don't know what to make of the game yet, I have those gut reads but I want to back them up. I can't this calendar day but I will be back during this day phase (tomorrow). Stuff hast come up.
Man the consternation, watch me go from being a scumread to 100% scum just because I'm gone. That is exactly what happened to vlosk and probably why I felt bad about it- and that may actually go for deus.
What, must I be the town voice of caution or are we to go nuts lynching our own. Last couple games scum wins go figure.
But yeah srsly vlosk defend even just a little while I'm gone plz. On August 19 2013 14:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 13:18 iVLosK! wrote:On August 19 2013 10:51 iVLosK! wrote:
Pages 27-29 are almost exclusively filled with connection theories. And poor ones. A connection theory where the theorist doesn't know the alignment of both subjects is complete shit. ... And useless fluff used to appear contributory. Also, apparently I'm supposed to respond to something. If you quote it, I might. Hi I'm back Read Holyflare's filter But basically I need to help convince town we aren't scum team because I went and was an idiot and got wishy washy The juices flow Ok so I voted vlosk because he hasn't been explicitly helpful, and then I remembered my meta impression of him was fallacious... Then I get the juices of reservation flowing and lo and behold deus is reserved too and I think to myself "I was reps hammer last time and in the event iVLosk is messing around to later be bamcis town he would be a great loss as a mislynch crap crap what we do now" and he voted Xzavier and I remembered HolyFlare and was like "oh yeah" and I was in hurry like 5 minutes from deadline so I just did it was not thinking straight and boom. So scummy like "ok let's bus vlosk and then not do it lol and since I think he is so bamcis I should just not make sense" or I don't even know what my scum motive for that mistake is.
To top this all off, scam has not pressured a single person in this entire game, the only bit of 'pressure' he applies was on koshi: + Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:Just a note. Why koshi go from "why were you guys voting iVLosk" ... To this? Cherry pick town mistakes and push agenda and what? Why is he trying so hard to make me look bamcis? When did I ever have skill? I mean, I'm trying to pick it up but man, what you prefer, true spam so you know I sux or this somehow "still spammy" reserved style? You gonna push the LS meter to 110% Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 08:34 Koshi wrote:guis guis guis. No worries. Just remember. Need to kill Alaksalam,Holyflare, DeusXmachina or iVLosK. Just kill the one that is the most useless day 2. Alaksalam knows better than to create such a shit environment and to do 0 scumhunting the entire game. And I am certain he knows that voting a 0 poster is horrible. His biggest contribution were giving out general advice. It is a newbie game but I don't like it. On August 18 2013 01:26 Holyflare wrote:On August 18 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Indeed, iVLosK! Looks bad after reading up on HolyFlare, but are there enough reasons to voteswitch? Shall he defense hisself? I would rather get rid of the guy that says nothing than the person who can defend himself and (hopefully) contribute. You need to get rid of scum. Not of guys that can't defend themselves. Especially when they flip town most likely. On August 18 2013 06:17 iVLosK! wrote:On August 18 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok, so seriously. Those 3 people on Xzavier. Why the fuck would you vote on a 0-poster? He did flip scum. Umadbro? This guy is trying to WIFOM me and I don't like it. On August 18 2013 03:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
Yeah don't vote modkill I get it
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4 votes and we need 5
5 spamposts in the same minute these are 3 of it. He knows he shouldn't vote for a modkill. He votes for the modkill. And then he says it is majority lynch when it is plurality. So bad it hurts my soul. iV and Alaksalam should be lynched next time unless magic happens on day 2. The other 2 follow closely.
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It was totally unfinished but I want to get your shit focused rather than wander off onto other people.
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Just post the whole thing HolyFlare.
Omni it is important dammit. I don't see any scum motivation behind this voteswitch if iVLosk isn't scum Newbie mistake or not.
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:
@above: I was NOT THINKING THAT CLEARLY lone. The way I saw it was WHOLLY UNreasonable; I saw it as not falling for a day1 mislynch again without giving a player with some exp a chance to shine versus someone lurking like mad.
I have no thought to "how likely is Xzavier to be scum" because I was thinking "HolyFlare made a good point about lurking last-second posters, I bet Xzavier does last minute" etc etc- the switch was 100% nervous voter's remorse sheep.
Unfortunately that works perfectly as an excuse a scum could make. It really doesn't help your case that you're being wishy washy about your reads (just check what you gave as a "read" on Omni above). So please tell us who's your top lynch candidate and make it at least somewhat convincing.
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah
I would lynch either you or deus xD more likely Deus
Why? Reasons required here. Also, who was "you" in this?
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Anyway to cover everything else that has been said.
Deus immediately starts his thoughts on me by again being inconsistent
"After that he has a couple posts that target holy, ending in a case against holy, then drops holy. "
"It's possible that Omni begins pushing a lynch on Holy, using the voting catastrophe, and drops it when it doesn't seem to be working. "
and finally
"and a few others. Here is the thing. Holy's defense is strong, and it seems like a town defense. He did bring up good points. "
I say Holy doesn't look as bad as Slam and Deus anymore as well.
On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I still believe LosK to be town, and tbh my case against Holy is largely centered on his vote on Xzavier which clearly some townie made the mistake of voting for. I'm not ruling out the case of scum Holy but I do believe given everything that has happened so far we are more likely to lynch scum by going after Deus and Slam.
Holy has not cleared himself with me but he looks a lot better than Deus or Slam, Why would I continue to push for his lynch when I've said multiple times D2 lynch should be focused around Slam and Deus.
moving on I appreciate that Deus at least admits that he believes I do make some strong points and have been actively posting along with those. He also says that I seem genuine to him.
Deus your first question doesn't actually apply to anything. Nobody had said anything more other than discussing the vote and I did make some other points on Holy for why I suspected him other than just his vote.
I dropped Holy for reasons mentioned above. He was no longer my top scum read.
3) Because either all three of you are fucking useless as town or there was scum on the Xzavier lynch. How can you not see that is the better question.
Deus goes on to mention that the only way you should ever use the lynch on Xzavier to scum hunt is if you make a case against Holy for it. Holy shit. (pun not intended)
He then claims that I am trying to mislead town when apparently he thinks I'm genuinely scum hunting, making a case against Holy when in his opinion that is the correct thing to do and actively contributing to towns discussions.
Fake Paranoia is so annoying.
JAT sorry, I hadn't read your response to Deus when I had posted and I realize I did pretty much rehash what you had already said to him. My objective in giving my town reads is to try and strengthen / unify town when there was some very obvious shit that is happening around the Xzavier lynch. I also give my scum reads, and why they changed twice, please don't ignore that.
Also stop trying to convince yourself there is a connection between Deus/Slam and LosK before we see any flips. It's hurting you if you assume there is one as it will impact your ability to see them as individual scum.
I think I covered your question on why I still think LosK is town JAT.
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On August 20 2013 01:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Just post the whole thing HolyFlare.
Omni it is important dammit. I don't see any scum motivation behind this voteswitch if iVLosk isn't scum Newbie mistake or not.
we're just going to have to disagree. I think it was a really bad mistake from scum, and when we nail scum for making such a mistake, then we can get into association cases.
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