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On August 15 2013 04:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'll be back in a couple of hours, and I'll go to bed shortly after I'm back.
Am curious to hear grack's points.
On August 15 2013 04:42 strongandbig wrote:
Clarity, I also like how you're telling me I had no presence in pms on d2 when the reason for that was that YOU told me you wanted to keep things more in the thread!
On August 15 2013 04:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 04:35 strongandbig wrote:
why would i want to be lord d2 when i knew i wouldn't be active on sunday.
how am i supposed to prove that i'm townie when idiots keep calling for me to be shot and i have to spend all my time defending myself.
and it's straight up not true that everyone thought that list post was terrible. for example, iamperfection told me that risen was town just because of that post, because he thoguht scum risen would never put that much effort into a post. i had to explain why that post was scummy so i could counteract that argument.
and of course my case is comprised of risen's day one he posted like three one-liners on day 2!
Your case boils down to "you disagree with my case on risen and you don't like that I've had to defend myself all the time after I got back."
Well let me ask you a few things.
(1) What happened to your "strong town read" on me after day 1? Do you think I would have been that active as scum in PMs and then suddenly decided I didn't care anymore?
(2) I was practically yamato's ONLY REAL PUSH. Do you think if we were on a scum team together he would have been pushing me, for the EXACT SAME REASONS you are pushing me for now - inactivity and "not caring", when he would have known I would be away and not defend myself for several days? Seriously? 1) it.. like... went away or something, I dunno. 2) He was pushing you d1. You were around d1, nor were you under any threat of being lynched. He didn't push you d2 he was too busy posting baby seals and shit. So you're misrepresenting stuff now. he was pushing me after i went camping. I was camping friday through sunday aka the second day of D1 (when he started pushing me and if we were scum he would have known I wouldn't be able to respond), the night phase, and the first day of D2
yeah i read your shitty case
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On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts.
where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions?
your other answers fall into the category:
You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is?
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On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen.
I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point.
My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote.
And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about.
AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.
Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum.
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On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: Show nested quote +You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is?
From iamperfection's last will:
"Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though."
I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro.
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On August 15 2013 04:38 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:59 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 15 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
I was just going to say that Risen is basically mentally retarded. There's no way anyone sane could think I was scum from our exchange. Like what? I'm starting to lose faith in humanity and most of all in Risen's ability to think at all. On August 15 2013 03:35 Xatalos wrote:
But it does feel like he truly believed that so it's not really scummy. Just unbelievably dumb. Like totally ridiculous in every imaginable fashion. "Too dumb to be scum".... Not sure. He's taking that so far, is it intentional...... To be honest I doubt it. That's just such a great amount of stupid. What a nice person you are. Throw insults and then give him a townread, is that advancedz scumz tacticz? lol i do that all the time as town i may add. You are (far) more useless than usual. You scum, bro? you know, you could check MA META and find the answer out easily instead of softpushing me all the time.
How about instead of relying on meta you just scumhunt meta be damned.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum.
To be fair, what SnB says here is true. Do not make stupid connection cases. Yamato's stance on SnB does not mean shit.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum.
Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro.
So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't?
To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that.
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SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian.
Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant.
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On August 15 2013 04:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum. Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts.
yeah the one you quoted is the one i'm talking about
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On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that.
I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant?
I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive.
It's time to increase the pressure.
##Vote strongandbig
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On August 15 2013 05:04 Koshi wrote:
SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian.
Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant.
a townie's first duty is to not get lynched. defending yourself if you're going to get lynched is the most important thing.
i want to kill risen as i have made abundantly clear. i'm not satisfied at all with either of their answers. I think risen's day 1 shows his scum mindset and he hasn't gotten much better since then, he's spent the whole rest of the game tunneling sharrant and now he's voting me because i thought he had one good point in his case on sharrant but i still think he's scum.
i also still think vivax is probably scum but risen is still number one on my kill list atm.
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On August 15 2013 05:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:59 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum. Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts. yeah the one you quoted is the one i'm talking about
The post I quoted didn't have anything to do with you explaining why you weren't talking?
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On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig
seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed?
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On August 15 2013 05:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:59 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:
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In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum. Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts. yeah the one you quoted is the one i'm talking about The post I quoted didn't have anything to do with you explaining why you weren't talking?
i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots.
i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy?
I explained why i didn't think some things were worth commenting on
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On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:
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What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed?
You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro.
This seems like something you cherry picked to sit on instead of coming up with it on your own. That's pretty scummy.
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On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town.
Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case.
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On August 15 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:04 Koshi wrote:
SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian.
Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant. a townie's first duty is to not get lynched. defending yourself if you're going to get lynched is the most important thing. i want to kill risen as i have made abundantly clear. i'm not satisfied at all with either of their answers. I think risen's day 1 shows his scum mindset and he hasn't gotten much better since then, he's spent the whole rest of the game tunneling sharrant and now he's voting me because i thought he had one good point in his case on sharrant but i still think he's scum. i also still think vivax is probably scum but risen is still number one on my kill list atm.
And rayn? or not anymore? why?
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On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town.
(1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said.
(2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself."
(3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy
(4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else.
So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed?
oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!!
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