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s0Lstice Baratheon Lord. Who are you voting?
It could help if all Lords would just pressure vote/real vote. Because I can't follow who we are lynching.
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On August 15 2013 04:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You fucking called me out on D2 for "not doing shit". Now you are calling me out for not doing shit. I wanted to be lord on D2, i wanted to be lord on D3. If i had not consolidated our house would have not a lord at all. wtf are you talking about Acro. You are full of shit. Maybe if you did shit, I wouldn't call you out for not doing shit. Still waiting for Risen's assessment of you. You claim to have PM'd a lot with him, but he hasn't responded. Maybe you did really want to be lord and were just being cockblocked. Why can't you stand up to a bully like Risen? Seems pretty simple from where I'm standing.
Because Risen is not a bully. He is actually willing to discuss stuff if people would just discuss stuff with him instead of calling him idiot.
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On August 15 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
I need to know if Onegu's claim was real, is he really One-shot-medic?
This is important cause we need to think about the chance that there is a 1-shot cop in this game compared to normal cop.
If there really was 1-sh-med and medic too then that makes Sharrant's claim more credible.
Usually when there are 1-shot-roles then there are multiple or none in a game of this size, 1-shot and standard seems unlikely.
Also, did anyone else notice Chrom, s0lstice and Grackdisappearing? I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why? Is Onegu your scumread?If so, your only one?
Sorry I was taking a crap. I'm a lot more unsure about Onegu as of late. Oberyn obviously trusted him a good deal so he must be doing some good stuff in pm's.
I've been taking some notes on S&B's filter and unfortunately clarity beat me to it but I'll still put in some of my thoughts.
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On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: Show nested quote +The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig
when have i not been under pressure since i came back. how can i show up when i'm not under pressure.
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On August 15 2013 04:15 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 03:57 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you actually think i am scum Acro? 1. You are focusing on all the wrong stuff. You spend an inordinate amount of time trying to "figure out" stuff, that is not indicative of alignment at all. It looks as if you're really busy and uncovering important information, but you're not. You're just wasting everybody's time. 2. You have few reads, and those you do have are badly explained. When asked about your reads, you promptly forget about what reads you had before, indicating that you made them up in the first place. SnB also pointed out that you have given 0 reasons for the reads that you HAVE posted in the thread. Your two reads that you have followed up on are Onegu, and more recently Mocsta. Onegu looks quite likely town to me. Mocsta is a bad lynch target for today and you should know that. Other than that you have gone after johnnywup, who I have explained a few times now, is probably town. 3. Your apparent unwill to be lord and take the spotlight of House Greyjoy. Now you can just yell and wave your arms about with no consequences: you have no vote. Fucking easy way out imho. Giving other people a turn if they want to and you have a town read makes some sense (your reasons for not contesting Risen on D2) to further gauge their playstyle. When it turns out they are batshit insane and will cause more harm than good regardless of their actual alignment, a townie would want that vote back. A scum would be happy to just sit out the ride and watch Risen cause wanton destruction: he was obviously going tunnel mode on Sharrant at the end of yesterday. Do you have a scumread on Sharrant? I don't think so. Why are you so complacent about the house vote, YOUR vote ending on someone you don't have a scumread on? 1. Point out that stuff. 2. Fuck you. That's plain out wrong. 3. Fuck you. That's plain out wrong. You could be a bit more constructive. Insulting doesn't really benefit the thread (I know, I'm one to speak, I just lost control there). Why is Acro plain out wrong?
If you have read my filter you would know why these things are bullshit.
I don't care to explain stuff over and over again unless i want to lynch someone (this is something i apparently need to do over and over again because people do not understand shit).
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On August 15 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
I need to know if Onegu's claim was real, is he really One-shot-medic?
This is important cause we need to think about the chance that there is a 1-shot cop in this game compared to normal cop.
If there really was 1-sh-med and medic too then that makes Sharrant's claim more credible.
Usually when there are 1-shot-roles then there are multiple or none in a game of this size, 1-shot and standard seems unlikely.
Also, did anyone else notice Chrom, s0lstice and Grackdisappearing? I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why? Is Onegu your scumread?If so, your only one? Sorry I was taking a crap. I'm a lot more unsure about Onegu as of late. Oberyn obviously trusted him a good deal so he must be doing some good stuff in pm's. I've been taking some notes on S&B's filter and unfortunately clarity beat me to it but I'll still put in some of my thoughts.
OMFG THIS MADE MY DAY! Confirmed town because of townslip! ^_^
i can't stop laughing.
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On August 15 2013 04:29 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig when have i not been under pressure since i came back. how can i show up when i'm not under pressure.
I dunno....
How about....
THE ENTIRETY OF DAY 2
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On August 15 2013 04:29 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig when have i not been under pressure since i came back. how can i show up when i'm not under pressure.
This is the prime example of showing up when under pressure.
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why would i want to be lord d2 when i knew i wouldn't be active on sunday.
how am i supposed to prove that i'm townie when idiots keep calling for me to be shot and i have to spend all my time defending myself.
and it's straight up not true that everyone thought that list post was terrible. for example, iamperfection told me that risen was town just because of that post, because he thoguht scum risen would never put that much effort into a post. i had to explain why that post was scummy so i could counteract that argument.
and of course my case is comprised of risen's day one he posted like three one-liners on day 2!
Your case boils down to "you disagree with my case on risen and you don't like that I've had to defend myself all the time after I got back."
Well let me ask you a few things.
(1) What happened to your "strong town read" on me after day 1? Do you think I would have been that active as scum in PMs and then suddenly decided I didn't care anymore?
(2) I was practically yamato's ONLY REAL PUSH. Do you think if we were on a scum team together he would have been pushing me, for the EXACT SAME REASONS you are pushing me for now - inactivity and "not caring", when he would have known I would be away and not defend myself for several days? Seriously?
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On August 15 2013 04:31 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:29 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig when have i not been under pressure since i came back. how can i show up when i'm not under pressure. I dunno.... How about.... THE ENTIRETY OF DAY 2
I was only here on Monday of day 2, I was still gone on Sunday - andy I posted like a full page of filter on day 2! That's when I posted my risen case! How was I not active then?
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On August 15 2013 03:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 15 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
I was just going to say that Risen is basically mentally retarded. There's no way anyone sane could think I was scum from our exchange. Like what? I'm starting to lose faith in humanity and most of all in Risen's ability to think at all. On August 15 2013 03:35 Xatalos wrote:
But it does feel like he truly believed that so it's not really scummy. Just unbelievably dumb. Like totally ridiculous in every imaginable fashion. "Too dumb to be scum".... Not sure. He's taking that so far, is it intentional...... To be honest I doubt it. That's just such a great amount of stupid. What a nice person you are. Throw insults and then give him a townread, is that advancedz scumz tacticz? lol i do that all the time as town i may add. You are (far) more useless than usual. You scum, bro?
you know, you could check MA META and find the answer out easily instead of softpushing me all the time.
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On August 15 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:29 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig when have i not been under pressure since i came back. how can i show up when i'm not under pressure. This is the prime example of showing up when under pressure.
i'm trying to not get lynched here. if i hit f5 on the thread and i see clarity's finally posted his case on me which i asked him for like an hour ago, of course i'm going to post about it.
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On August 15 2013 04:35 strongandbig wrote:
why would i want to be lord d2 when i knew i wouldn't be active on sunday.
how am i supposed to prove that i'm townie when idiots keep calling for me to be shot and i have to spend all my time defending myself.
and it's straight up not true that everyone thought that list post was terrible. for example, iamperfection told me that risen was town just because of that post, because he thoguht scum risen would never put that much effort into a post. i had to explain why that post was scummy so i could counteract that argument.
and of course my case is comprised of risen's day one he posted like three one-liners on day 2!
Your case boils down to "you disagree with my case on risen and you don't like that I've had to defend myself all the time after I got back."
Well let me ask you a few things.
(1) What happened to your "strong town read" on me after day 1? Do you think I would have been that active as scum in PMs and then suddenly decided I didn't care anymore?
(2) I was practically yamato's ONLY REAL PUSH. Do you think if we were on a scum team together he would have been pushing me, for the EXACT SAME REASONS you are pushing me for now - inactivity and "not caring", when he would have known I would be away and not defend myself for several days? Seriously?
1) it.. like... went away or something, I dunno.
2) He was pushing you d1. You were around d1, nor were you under any threat of being lynched. He didn't push you d2 he was too busy posting baby seals and shit. So you're misrepresenting stuff now.
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Clarity, I also like how you're telling me I had no presence in pms on d2 when the reason for that was that YOU told me you wanted to keep things more in the thread!
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On August 15 2013 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:35 strongandbig wrote:
why would i want to be lord d2 when i knew i wouldn't be active on sunday.
how am i supposed to prove that i'm townie when idiots keep calling for me to be shot and i have to spend all my time defending myself.
and it's straight up not true that everyone thought that list post was terrible. for example, iamperfection told me that risen was town just because of that post, because he thoguht scum risen would never put that much effort into a post. i had to explain why that post was scummy so i could counteract that argument.
and of course my case is comprised of risen's day one he posted like three one-liners on day 2!
Your case boils down to "you disagree with my case on risen and you don't like that I've had to defend myself all the time after I got back."
Well let me ask you a few things.
(1) What happened to your "strong town read" on me after day 1? Do you think I would have been that active as scum in PMs and then suddenly decided I didn't care anymore?
(2) I was practically yamato's ONLY REAL PUSH. Do you think if we were on a scum team together he would have been pushing me, for the EXACT SAME REASONS you are pushing me for now - inactivity and "not caring", when he would have known I would be away and not defend myself for several days? Seriously? 1) it.. like... went away or something, I dunno. 2) He was pushing you d1. You were around d1, nor were you under any threat of being lynched. He didn't push you d2 he was too busy posting baby seals and shit. So you're misrepresenting stuff now.
he was pushing me after i went camping. I was camping friday through sunday aka the second day of D1 (when he started pushing me and if we were scum he would have known I wouldn't be able to respond), the night phase, and the first day of D2
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On August 14 2013 23:39 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:30 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2013 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
kush scumreads 1.0 (probably all wrong)
yamato
xatalos
sharrant On August 14 2013 23:27 kushm4sta wrote:
Acro I gave you reasons in pm. For thinking sharrant might be scum. I changed my mind because his claim didn't seem scummy you said.
Johnny I thought was scummy because of his first post. Didn't make it any further in his filter lol.
Yes I have flip flopped. This is a huge town tell from me. I can't believe you shot me bro.
My Shitty scumreads
Johnny
Acro
Kush can you explain what happened in between these? FOR YOU VIVAX ANYTHING.. as long as you keep teh semen out yamato- flipped scum xatalos- oh yeah i just forgot about him sharrant- acro told me his claim seemed townie. rather than look into it myself i decided to just take his word for it johnny- i read the first post of your (vivax) filter which lead me to the first post of johhnny's filter and it seemed hella scummy acro- feel read. backed up by recent interactions by pm. first he's on my dick hard, wanting the kush sauce, then he is all mad at me for no reason and thinks im scum.
acro tells you sharrant is town -> sharrant is town = in your scum list = taking his word for it?
acro is a scumread for you but you're taking his word for his reads?
this whole post just makes no sense
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On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that.
I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false.
1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI.
2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection.
It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.)
On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is?
I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him.
I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind.
The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts.
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Wait, yeah you did post that on day 2... I made a mistake, I'm explaining how there's only 2 people in that house, when at that time there were 3. You thought it was 4 though so I guess you were still wrong too. Are you sure you read my case, though?
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I'll be back in a couple of hours, and I'll go to bed shortly after I'm back.
Am curious to hear grack's points.
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What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato.
On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you.
On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you.
He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning.
On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu
At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further.
On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote:
okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy?
I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence.
Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen.
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