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On August 15 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case you meant D1 lynch you know what my & iamps thought process was.
We also decided the Lord KP targets because noone was giving shit about anything.
I cared about night shots d1 and even had a list of people I'd like to see shot. Saying no one was giving a shit about anything isn't true, and skews how the day actually went.
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On August 15 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:
I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this:
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So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
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Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless.
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I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point.
Onwards to the Mocsta case.
- I agree that jrkirby was scummy
- You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing
- At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused)
Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant?I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig I won't let go of this yet. The bolded part: Why should i consider what "wrong things" mean when i am not aware of those and you can't point them out? I have discussed the rolename stuff in detail with Solstice. If you find that scummy point it out and not throw shit on me for nothing. One-liners you have not explained, nor has iamp. "whatever iamp meant", yeah what? As I said, I can't prove what happened in PM land. But I trust iamperfection's judgement and that something was off. Nothing more that I can say about it. Maybe you could explain your PM's with iamperfection? I can see a townie getting worked up over the rolename stuff. But I can also see scum wanting to bury the thread under useless spam. It's quite null, but slightly concerning. I never said you were scum for it. Same with the one-liners (seriously, a major part of your posts are one-liners, only part of them meaningful). Null / slightly scummy. The problem is that you were so radiantly townish in NWM that when you're not, it concerns me. What do i have to explain? I don't fucking know because noone is telling me. People are telling people are town "because of PM's", now you are telling me i might be scum "because of PM's". What should i answer? I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you point out (quote) some one-liners that bother you, so i can tell you what the purpose behind them are and we can drop this bullshit argument?
Shouldn't you know what where the pointless discussions you had with iamperfection......?
In general that you have SO many one-liners. It's impossible to quote even a small fraction of them all. Some of them are decent questions in themselves, but the fact that you have like 200+ small posts, some of them relevant and some jot.... It's a ton of spam. Like these:
On August 10 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Keep on guys, this is funny to watch. :D
On August 10 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post.
On August 12 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is with you guys? Why did you discuss the watcher situation?
On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum.
On August 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum. People aren't dumb 1) Yes, people are dumb 2) Even if they weren´t there is no reason to tell anyone what answers you are going to accept before they answer..
On August 13 2013 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 11:19 s0Lstice wrote:On August 13 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos. i dont know perhaps you should ask them, acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it. ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town? If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop? Is that what you're getting at? *ding ding* , or roleblocked. ...until the check was revealed, wasn't acro the only person sharrant told? so? Xatalos was suspicious of him after that. And Sharrant was town.
Btw what does the bolded part mean?
In any case, we should drop this particular issue. It's taking a lot of time that could be used better. I think you're town atm and you'll probably be NK'd before long if you are. If you are alive at LYLO, some doubt should be shown.
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xatalos, ia m heading out for tonight. I am gonna answer your points tomorrow. Promised.
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On August 15 2013 05:52 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case you meant D1 lynch you know what my & iamps thought process was.
We also decided the Lord KP targets because noone was giving shit about anything. I cared about night shots d1 and even had a list of people I'd like to see shot. Saying no one was giving a shit about anything isn't true, and skews how the day actually went.
Yeah you did, i meant the current lords.
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On August 15 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
xatalos, ia m heading out for tonight. I am gonna answer your points tomorrow. Promised.
I predict an unfulfilled promise.
SCUM!
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On August 15 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
i've wasted way too much time at work already. i'll be back in a few hours or something, idk. i'm not sure if i can keep this up, maybe it would be easier just to say fuck it. Just keep in mind that martyring means auto-lynch. It creates a terrible meta where scum can martyr and stop posting whenever they're pressured. Even if you are genuinely frustrated, it's not acceptable.
I disagree. There's genuine and fake martyring. This doesn't sound like martyring at all, but go and look at goodkarma's martyring post in Catch 22. So incredibly townie.
Also, I FINALLY remember where Rayn was playing scum. He got shot out of the blue by Coag. I don't think anybody else saw he was scum in that game. Gonna look at that again, and will also check Titanic.
About Strongandbig: he has been hovering on the edge of my scumdar. I suggested to Iamp that we shoot him in the face, but then he posted his case on Risen, which was good (at the time). I also thought this was a rather townie response to me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19495430
But it doesn't seem to be enough. Been watching this discussion from the sidelines (at work) and all I really see SnB doing is repeat "I'm not scum" in different words. Yeah, that's what anybody would say. Less saying that you're not scum and more doing stuff.
I do like the bits about Vivax.
On August 15 2013 05:35 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that.
I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false.
1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI.
2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection.
It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.)
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I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him.
I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind.
The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! This post sounds like the dying cry of a wounded animal for some reason. I think yamato's push on you is pretty null. He could have chosen to softly bus you (not going to get you lynched in any case). Or you're town and he just chose some townie. Actually the bussing theory makes more sense, but it's pretty null. Reactive: posting under pressure. Not doing anything meaningful while not under pressure. Scumhunting is the most important attribute of a townie. It's the most important part of defending yourself. If you can't provide that, even under pressure, you're not showing a town mindset. The problem is that when you're under pressure, you "can't focus". When you're not under pressure, you choose to just be passive. Why is Vivax scum? Do you have any other scumreads besides him and Risen? What do you think of Risen's failure attack on me? yamato's pressure was not soft, he was the one who started the arguments and themes that are currently getting me killed. i was not passive on day two, i put together a large case on risen, and i was not passive earlier this morning when i started posting about vivax. vivax is scum because he gave up his reads so easily when lords didn't agree with him, which is absolutely nothing like the town vivax i've played with, who shouts his reads at the mountains until the end of time and just rages when people don't listen to him. that's the main reason
That is a pretty accurate description of town Vivax and I haven't seen that Vivax this game either. House Stark sucks. Clarity should have the inside information and he says Strongandbig. Clarity seems like town.
Clarity, I have asked you twice now and still nothing: can you tell us more about Vivax, what he said about Yamato and why you seem to think he's town?
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For some reason this post always makes me laugh:
On August 12 2013 17:17 yamato77 wrote:WIFOMShow nested quote +On August 12 2013 16:59 Xatalos wrote:Btw I'm going to laugh so hard if Sharrant comes here and says that his red check was a fake as well. yamato would sure feel dumb  ;] Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 16:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 12:08 Oberyn wrote:
##Vote yamato77
I haven't been around a computer all day, but I should be available most of tomorrow. The thread should be made aware that I am not a watcher and Onegu is not a 1-shot medic. It was probably a long shot, but I have received no information regarding the identity of the roleblocker. Carry on. Kind of expected sadly. Whats with the new meta to fakeclaim everything? Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush. ![[image loading]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/088/113/plan2jh7.jpg)
More seriously: snb, your (short) interaction with yamato didn't really feel scummy. You seemed frustrated at him. And yamato's "bus" on you can't really be blamed on you (who knows what WIFOM yamato planned).
With that said, it takes more than showing that you don't have a scummy connection with yamato to show you're town. What are your scumreads out of Risen or Vivax? I can accept your reasoning for Vivax and kind of for Risen, although I'm thinking that Risen is more null than scummy at the moment.
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Going to sleep now.
rayn, remember your promise 
snb, show what you're made of.
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On August 15 2013 05:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 05:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?).
Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes?
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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- Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him.
- Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place?
- About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf?
- You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes?
You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant?I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig I won't let go of this yet. The bolded part: Why should i consider what "wrong things" mean when i am not aware of those and you can't point them out? I have discussed the rolename stuff in detail with Solstice. If you find that scummy point it out and not throw shit on me for nothing. One-liners you have not explained, nor has iamp. "whatever iamp meant", yeah what? As I said, I can't prove what happened in PM land. But I trust iamperfection's judgement and that something was off. Nothing more that I can say about it. Maybe you could explain your PM's with iamperfection? I can see a townie getting worked up over the rolename stuff. But I can also see scum wanting to bury the thread under useless spam. It's quite null, but slightly concerning. I never said you were scum for it. Same with the one-liners (seriously, a major part of your posts are one-liners, only part of them meaningful). Null / slightly scummy. The problem is that you were so radiantly townish in NWM that when you're not, it concerns me. What do i have to explain? I don't fucking know because noone is telling me. People are telling people are town "because of PM's", now you are telling me i might be scum "because of PM's". What should i answer? I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you point out (quote) some one-liners that bother you, so i can tell you what the purpose behind them are and we can drop this bullshit argument? Shouldn't you know what where the pointless discussions you had with iamperfection......? In general that you have SO many one-liners. It's impossible to quote even a small fraction of them all. Some of them are decent questions in themselves, but the fact that you have like 200+ small posts, some of them relevant and some jot.... It's a ton of spam. Like these: Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Keep on guys, this is funny to watch. :D Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post. Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is with you guys? Why did you discuss the watcher situation? Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum. Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum. People aren't dumb 1) Yes, people are dumb 2) Even if they weren´t there is no reason to tell anyone what answers you are going to accept before they answer.. Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 11:19 s0Lstice wrote:On August 13 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos. i dont know perhaps you should ask them, acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it. ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town? If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop? Is that what you're getting at? *ding ding* , or roleblocked. ...until the check was revealed, wasn't acro the only person sharrant told? so? Xatalos was suspicious of him after that. And Sharrant was town. Btw what does the bolded part mean? In any case, we should drop this particular issue. It's taking a lot of time that could be used better. I think you're town atm and you'll probably be NK'd before long if you are. If you are alive at LYLO, some doubt should be shown.
fuck it.
if you are in Vaasa come to Hullu Pullo where there is 2eur (all main drinks) so i can punch you in face. :D
okay for reals:
- I agree, that was spam. It was just so fun.
- I think this is a fair question? Is it not to you?
- This one + the nxt one. Why the fuck would you give an answer to mafia (in case Oberyn/Onegu were telling the truth)? I wanted answers, you never provided a sufficent one besides "it was clear in the first place". Well fuck you, mafia can be dumb aswell.
- Why would you think Acro is scum if Sharrant is town? I explained it very well after that.
Also, why do you call these "one-liners"? Every fucking post of those has an agenda, an agenda that i can succesfully point out. They are not one-liners, thay are a part of bigger picture. Why are you painting them out to be like that??
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@ Acro, it really was the fact that he pushed yamato so hard in pms. He tried to get snb to shoot yamato as well and he had good arguments and reasoning. As I said in my deathpost it was his only redeeming quality, although with vivax' recent posts I actually feel more comfortable that if one of snb/vivax is scum, it's snb.
@snb, stop saying you're not scum and scumhunt. Make a list. Do something that makes you look townie. Screaming that you're town accomplishes nothing, and blaming the lack of scumhunting on pressure is what I did in my first scumgame.
You think risen and vivax are scum. Who else?
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alright going to sleep will be afk pretty much all of tomorrow. probably.
hf, lynch bitches, etc
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On August 15 2013 06:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
alright going to sleep will be afk pretty much all of tomorrow. probably.
hf, lynch bitches, etc
##nuke Dandel Ion 
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On August 15 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
i've wasted way too much time at work already. i'll be back in a few hours or something, idk. i'm not sure if i can keep this up, maybe it would be easier just to say fuck it. Just keep in mind that martyring means auto-lynch. It creates a terrible meta where scum can martyr and stop posting whenever they're pressured. Even if you are genuinely frustrated, it's not acceptable.
i'm not martyring
just expressing my frustration is all, i'll be back.
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On August 15 2013 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Acro, it really was the fact that he pushed yamato so hard in pms. He tried to get snb to shoot yamato as well and he had good arguments and reasoning. As I said in my deathpost it was his only redeeming quality, although with vivax' recent posts I actually feel more comfortable that if one of snb/vivax is scum, it's snb.
@snb, stop saying you're not scum and scumhunt. Make a list. Do something that makes you look townie. Screaming that you're town accomplishes nothing, and blaming the lack of scumhunting on pressure is what I did in my first scumgame.
You think risen and vivax are scum. Who else?
please respond to my answers to you or else unvote me
On August 15 2013 04:42 strongandbig wrote:
Clarity, I also like how you're telling me I had no presence in pms on d2 when the reason for that was that YOU told me you wanted to keep things more in the thread!
On August 15 2013 04:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 04:35 strongandbig wrote:
why would i want to be lord d2 when i knew i wouldn't be active on sunday.
how am i supposed to prove that i'm townie when idiots keep calling for me to be shot and i have to spend all my time defending myself.
and it's straight up not true that everyone thought that list post was terrible. for example, iamperfection told me that risen was town just because of that post, because he thoguht scum risen would never put that much effort into a post. i had to explain why that post was scummy so i could counteract that argument.
and of course my case is comprised of risen's day one he posted like three one-liners on day 2!
Your case boils down to "you disagree with my case on risen and you don't like that I've had to defend myself all the time after I got back."
Well let me ask you a few things.
(1) What happened to your "strong town read" on me after day 1? Do you think I would have been that active as scum in PMs and then suddenly decided I didn't care anymore?
(2) I was practically yamato's ONLY REAL PUSH. Do you think if we were on a scum team together he would have been pushing me, for the EXACT SAME REASONS you are pushing me for now - inactivity and "not caring", when he would have known I would be away and not defend myself for several days? Seriously? 1) it.. like... went away or something, I dunno. 2) He was pushing you d1. You were around d1, nor were you under any threat of being lynched. He didn't push you d2 he was too busy posting baby seals and shit. So you're misrepresenting stuff now. he was pushing me after i went camping. I was camping friday through sunday aka the second day of D1 (when he started pushing me and if we were scum he would have known I wouldn't be able to respond), the night phase, and the first day of D2
On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:
I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this:
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So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
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Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless.
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I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point.
Onwards to the Mocsta case.
- I agree that jrkirby was scummy
- You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing
- At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused)
Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!!
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acro can you plz not shoot me again
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SnB I'm around but I don't want to make large posts until I can use my laptop. Talk to me.
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On August 15 2013 06:52 kushm4sta wrote:
acro can you plz not shoot me again
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I just had to. Good night for realz now.
I'm not sure if there's any sense in continuing this anymore, rayn. You spam as both town and scum. Mostly it's just about my gut feeling not being so good about you as in NWM. You just play pro-town and it should be okay. One thing I'm thinking that in NWM the player pool was generally worse meaning that it was easier for you to be townish compared to the average. That might also be a factor. Your persistence about this matter also feels pretty townish (why direct attention to yourself unnecessarily as scum?). I don't think you can change the slight suspicion I have of you by discussing with me, but rather by doing stuff.
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Pretty sure we're finishing you off unless you become useful today, kush.
@ snb, I'm not quite sure when I said you weren't active in pms d2 specifically.
Yamato pushing you could mean anything, doesn't prove you town.
3rd post isn't even me, that's xata...
Risen however is an easy target, and vivax has been a popular person to push this game, so it's not hard seeing scum going for those two.
Really though, scumhunt please. Make a list post.. anything but more posts of you saying "but I'm town"
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k gg then. you guiz are nubs because im obv town.
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On August 15 2013 07:33 kushm4sta wrote:
k gg then. you guiz are nubs because im obv town.
So you're confirming that you won't be useful today?
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