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On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try?
It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum?
On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you.
Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really?
And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
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On August 15 2013 11:27 s0Lstice wrote:
no.
if you think he is scum, which you must have since you were voting him, then you shouldn't give two shits about what his read on you is. make sense?
'my dearest scum read...I'm concerned with your read on me even though I think you're scum and your reads are therefore bullshit.'
so either you don't care what his read on you is, or your vote was a sham because you didn't actually think he was scum.
I agree that townies should keep talking to their scum reads to make sure they have it right, but I don't see a townie approaching this by being concerned with how his scumread is supposedly reading him.
You can't ignore anyone in this game. You should care what everyone's read on you is. I don't know he's scum. I also don't know who he influences in this game. Not responding to cases is stupid. I know you're not stupid. Obs is still laughing at you.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Sharrant said he gave Acro the option of Kush or yamato of who to check. He didn't just straight ask for advice on who to check. When you're saying something and another person says no it didn't happen like that you should very quickly run over your facts and double check them or you end up looking like an idiot in the thread. Just look what happened to me earlier today with Xatalos. At least I caught myself before I had made a complete ass of myself like you, though.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story.
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EBWOP: First post responded to the top, second to the bottom. My bad on that one.
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hmm. i had a case ready to go.. but I don't want to interupt this Risen discussion either.
Fark....
s0lstice.. clarity had some queries for you, aroound page 132 I think.
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On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.
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"When you're saying something and another person says no it didn't happen like that you should very quickly run over your facts and double check them or you end up looking like an idiot in the thread."
-Risen
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Hahaha oh man how bad am I, though. This is awesome. Two times in one game!
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yea still don't like it Risen.
I'm still catching up atm so we'll see how it looks in context, haven't gotten there yet.
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On August 15 2013 11:48 Mocsta wrote:
hmm. i had a case ready to go.. but I don't want to interupt this Risen discussion either.
Fark....
s0lstice.. clarity had some queries for you, aroound page 132 I think.
i like how you call questions queries.
I answered clarity's main beef with me...the acro thing. you got some more queries for me though? ;D
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So Risen, what do you think about Sharrant now?
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I have very limited comp access currently. So am going to post the post I originally intended. Sorry, Im not trying to be disruptive to the flow.
One of the points is out of date, but you get that (i.e S0lstice).
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Good to see much activity overnight.
Firstly,
I am still waiting for S0lstice to get back into the thread. He seems to have been forgotten about.
Secondly,
There were some outstanding questions addressed to me:
Koshi:
If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well? Short answer is no.
In the past 4 months, I have only replaced into mafia games - about 4 or 5 now.
Each game I I have never cared what my predecessor did. I have my role PM and my own thoughts.
The only times I read predecessor posts is if I am a lynch candidate, and the cases against me quote predecessor posts.
Rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19509194
The games I have played with Sharrant (two); He was unamiously mislynched. This game is quickly heading towards a 3rd.
Aside from that, there is not much to respond to. The main objective of this case is to say "I don't like why he did/said that". It does not detail how or why anything I am doing is pushing a scum objective.
Overall: I think this case exemplifies why Rayn is scum.
Typically a tunneled townie will use flawed logic to state why someone is scum.
Here, Rayn doesnt use any logic to state why I am scum. He is essentially trying to throw dirt over my name by picking out things that stick out to him; without actually processing how that enables me to push a scum objective.
Acrofales summed it up perfectly in his case against Rayn. By not being lord; it enables Rayn to be loud in the thread, but have no responsibility. Essentially he can "pretend to contribute". This case is a prime example of that.
Thirdly,
That Oats was killed with iamp/Oberyn suggests that Oats was shot Night1.
This has concerned me since the Day post; as I don't think it was clear to anyone in the thread that Oats was a medic.
Day 1 Lords: SnB, iamp, Chromatically, Oberyn, rayn, Acrofales
Day 2 Lords: Oats, iamp, Chromatically, Oberyn, Risen, Acrofales
Day 3 Lords: Clarity, Xatalos, S0lstice, Onegu, Risen, Sharrant
iamp/Oberyn make sense: they were driving forces in PM land and many viewed them town.
Acrofales makes sense: many have speculated over his alignment, so is safe to not NK.
Therefore, where I get confused is... why Oatsmaster over SnB, rayn, Chromatically? (if targeting lords,and assuming all are town)
Chromatically, apparently has been a driving force in PM land.
Rayn, has had thread presence and many respect his town play.
SnB had done nothing in the thread or PM land; so at the least, Rayn was a better kill.
Yes, Oats was pretty clearly town; but that doesnt make him an important night kill. Heck, the guy gave yamato a town read for their argument, so its not like he was threatening the scum team.
And yes, even though Oats was incoming Lord; surely, Chromatically would have been a better kill if driving things in PM land?
To me, the only thing that makes sense is that Oats either blue slipped to someone in House Stark or there is scum between (Chromatically, Rayn, SnB) and they decided somehow Oats was more valuable.
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Now if Oats blueslipped, I would like to think with his openness in calling his house town, that he would have blueslipped to all three members (Clarity/Vivax/SnB). Clarity has not suggested he was aware of Oats=medic; so I can put this to rest.
That leaves at least one scum in Chromatically, Rayn, SnB.
Chromatically: Many have town reads on him. Also his most recent case does in fact show signs of him being active and inquisitive in PM land, aligning with what others have said. I am willing to drop him as a scum read for the time being.
SnB: I still think is unlikely to be scum. Hes appears to be flexible with his reads as people present new information, and the frustration of being called mafia is reading to me as genuine.
Rayn on the other hand makes a lot of sense as scum, as poined out previously.
I can't see a town Rayn relinquishing lord power to an unknown factor like Risen. His reasoning that "he did not want to cause a house shitfight" doesn't cut the mustard. Based on Day1, Risen was an unknown and unpredictable factor; and if Rayn cared so much about the game. He would want to remain as lord, to ensure his house vote goes on the correct person.
Lords, Raynpelikoneet of House GreyJoy is who needs to be lynched this cycle
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On August 15 2013 11:52 Chromatically wrote:
So Risen, what do you think about Sharrant now?
I honestly don't know man... I had thought this entire time Shar went to Acro asking him what he thought of those two. I guess my mind saw the whole "I had them in mind" part and melded it into Shar shooting out the first two suggestions.
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QUERIES
here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.
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don't duck off before answering that please
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
QUERIES
here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.
This is what I've been trying to defend Rayn with. It's one of those things that feels scummy b/c town don't know who other townies are, and it came to me when it first happened, but I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all.
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
QUERIES
here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.
???
If risen didn't object to rayn. Rayn as town surely would want wanted to remain town.
Anyhow I don't get this no lord stuff being perpetuated.
I just double checked up..voting mechanic is majority wins.
In case of tie it's rng.
As long as a house has members. There shall be a lord...
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think again
On August 13 2013 14:07 DrParnassus wrote:Night 2
"Lords, I trust you finally have something to show for all your bickering? Our king grows tired of this farce. His Grace has given you ample time to bring forth the traitors. King's Landing has never been a more dangerous place; nobody trusts their neighbor and many have suffered or died due to false accusations. Even now, there is a mob outside our gates demanding blood! Bring forth the traitors so that we might end this!" The Lords stood in a line facing the King. Nobody spoke. At some unseen signal the lords parted halfway, and behind them knelt yamato77 of House Martell. The King's Hand stared at him and began to speak. "You are accused of treason. Do you serve your King? Tell us true, where do your loyalties lie?" yamato77 looked up and opened his mouth, as if he wished to speak. Instead, he lowered his eyes to the floor and was silent. "Well? Your King demands an answer!" yamato's head lifted, his gaze locked firmly onto the King. A shadow seemed to cross his face and he struggled to his feet. For a brief moment he seemed to be the tallest person in the room. The court froze, as if everyone expected violence to break out at a single misspoken word. "I will not give you the satisfaction you seek. I am Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken. Do with me as you will." yamato77 was beheaded! + Show Spoiler [role pm] +You are Doran Martell, a Mafia Goon of House Martell. You may communicate with your house partners Oberyn, jrkirby, and onegu. You may only use TL forum pms for this. PM your nightly lord election votes to DrParnassus. Vote Count yamato77 (6) Acrofales, Chromatically, iamperfection, Oberyn, Oatsmaster, Risen yamato77 was lynched!
It is now Night 2. This night and all nights are silent. You may pm members from your house. Lords can no longer pm other lords. Send all lord election votes and night actions to DrParnassus. Lord election uses majority voting (3of4, 2of3, 2of2). If you don't come to a majority then your house will NOT have a lord for the next cycle. Night 2 ends in at 05:00 GMT (+00:00)!
PM me for obs.
see that 2/2?
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