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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: Do you think there is a mole in the Lannister House? If so is it JrKirby, iamp, or Grack? If there was one, it would be Grack (just by process of elimination), but he's not a priority right now. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: Do you think there is a mole in the Lannister House? If so is it JrKirby, iamp, or Grack? Just to clarify, Jrkirby is not a Lannister (And if he is, we've got a nice dungeon cellar for him) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote: yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia? Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence. Huge post - makes him scum how? "Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how? How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"? The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17707 Posts
The reason I had that impression must therefore have either come from Oberyn, Yamato, kirby and Onegu's public pronunciations, or it came from Grackaroni, which would be rather damning. I will read the minutes of the relevant parts and report back. For now I withhold judgement of Ser Grack. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:45 Oberyn wrote: Just to clarify, Jrkirby is not a Lannister (And if he is, we've got a nice dungeon cellar for him) Ah yeah. Sorry... Was trying to trap Chrom but that didn't work out well lol...... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:51 Koshi wrote: Ah yeah. Sorry... Was trying to trap Chrom but that didn't work out well lol...... What was the trap? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17707 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:51 Koshi wrote: Ah yeah. Sorry... Was trying to trap Chrom but that didn't work out well lol...... You were trying to "trap" your own lord by insinuating a Martell was a Lannister? I am intrigued by this plot and would love an explanation of how that works. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote: unsure was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos unsure scum scum Hmmmm. What? Actually you thought I was scum (in big part) because I had a "connection" to DI, not the other way around. How come I know your reads better than you do yourself.....? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:03 Xatalos wrote: Hmmmm. What? Actually you thought I was scum (in big part) because I had a "connection" to DI, not the other way around. How come I know your reads better than you do yourself.....? Back and negative. He was only first in the post because his filter is first on the front page post. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
And remember, SNITCHES GET STITCHES. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote: Alrighty so... Oats v Yamato is either two scum destroying the thread or one of them taking advantage of the other to destroy the thread. Oats had a really simple mistake that bothered me pointed out by Koshi here in number 1. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. On August 08 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote: personal attacks and jumping to conclusions not cool As for the Yamato end, he's been consistently null. He trashed up the thread, but at least he didn't lie or change course. I actually really like this part of his filter + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote: Every house has powers, IT'S IN THE OP. >_______________> I guess Onegu and jrkirby thought he was townie. I didn't really have time to talk to so I'm not surprised they chose the other person who was considered a candidate. Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler + but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. Because koshi is scummier. sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] ) He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure. I'm looking at Onegu now b/c of thread feelings and I don't see anything inspiring me to chime in. I don't see the contradiction rayne was pointing out. I see why he would think it was a contradiction, but I don't believe it is. On to Xatalos. First thing that caught my eye. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote: Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote: Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. On August 08 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote: LOL. Well, this post from you is definitely more than I got out of you in all your posts *combined* when you were scum last time. So I'm pretty sure you're town and telling the truth. Chrom seems pretty null from that. Both s0Lstice and Koshi look scummy. I'm more concerned about s0Lstice than Koshi, since Koshi is new (although he fooled me well last game) and s0Lstice should be able to see that you're a good choice for Lord - at least better than Chrom or Koshi (or probably himself, even if he was town). On August 08 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote: Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses. On August 09 2013 02:18 Xatalos wrote: rayn, why would Clarity "throw stupid stuff" as scum? Just to cause confusion or something? Is that plausible? I don't mind Grackaroni coming in and posting without reading the thread, simple mistake. My problem is that he posts the identity of people without asking his house and without reading the thread. That's something major and anyone should know that. It's a WIFOM, though. Did he make a stupid mistake as town, or is he scum trying to appear as having made a stupid mistake. Wash. I DO have a problem with him coming in and saying + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. s0lstice hasn't posted anything. Can't really judge anything. Doesn't look particularly good for him, though. I'm going to reserve judgement on Clarity for the time being to see how this plays out. It's clear he thinks REDACTED will have his back. Plenty of lurkers, but the game has just started. Please post your opinions on other people in the thread and tell me what you think about my four scum reads (but really discuss my top 3 of Dandel Ion, Xatalos, and Oats) The only connection case there is the bolded one (my connection to DI). Don't try to twist the truth. There are other reasons you "thought" I was scum as well, but you clearly don't remember your own reads. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I'm twisting nothing, you just simply aren't understanding. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen where's your promised giant post after lunch? Building it while simultaneously keeping up with PMs and such. Currently reading filters and sorting things. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9634 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:19 Risen wrote: Building it while simultaneously keeping up with PMs and such. Currently reading filters and sorting things.  | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:17 Risen wrote: That's not a connection at all. That was pure speculation and the point would have been made regardless of my case against DI. That was simply me calling out you for having such a useless post. I'm twisting nothing, you just simply aren't understanding. The amount of wrong in this post... 1) All connection cases are speculation and that was most definitely a connection case about my connection to DI. 2) There is no connection case about DI's connection to me. Why would you lie about that? To make it look like you suspected me more than DI all along? Don't try to squirm your way out of this one. There's a clear contadiction with your posts that could only result from scum making stuff up as they go. No way would town forget or twist their own earlier reads to fit better with their current plans. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9634 Posts
On August 13 2013 03:33 strongandbig wrote: iamperfection your read on risen seemed like it was mostly based on his effort in his one long post, at least that's what you said in pms with me on day1. You also said you were going to read some of his old games, did you do that? no i didn't | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17707 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote: I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. Quite a bit later: On August 09 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote: I wanted to be lord, but I didn't really have time to exchange PMs until most of the votes had been decided, and Oberyn was chosen. As of right now, I'm not dissatisfied with this. As for the rest of the game, I've only had time to read over it once, and I won't be back until later. Hopefully by then some of this PM drama will be clearer than it is now. However, Onegu states the contrary: + Show Spoiler [Onegu's point of view] + On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote: Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it. Oberyn enters the discussion with a brief blurb: + Show Spoiler [looong speech] + On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Lords and Ladies of Westeros, Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ From this I can see how someone in the public could think that House Martell is not particularly active, but it would in fact be indicative of NOT following the public debate properly and relying mainly on Yamato's viewpoint. While Yamato has said it clearest and most often, both Onegu and Oberyn contradict it. Jrkirby himself is completely silent on the matter. Honestly, I don't think this displays Grackaroni having inside information, as the information is there. While you could make the point that because Yamato is a Blackfyre pretender, this would also be the opinion that prevails in their private channel, you can absolutely not make the case that it is ONLY in private that this information was communicated. I have taken the liberty of going through the annals of Ser Grack's public speeches and see no indication of him being a Blackfyre. He posts very freely and he has ran ahead of himself and blabbed information, not once, but twice, that his House may have wanted to keep private. I feel it is incredibly unlikely that after doing this once and being yelled at and suspected of Blackfyre intentions, a true Blackfyre would repeat the same mistake. It seems more likely a loyalist would make this mistake twice. | ||
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