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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could. I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though) Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: Important I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? Sounds reasonable. If town/majority agrees we can use it as a double lynch. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: Important I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? You propose we do it but don't want to? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
But if scum use the shot then they will strike town and get weasel their way out of it. We don't want scum getting a free kp. We should make sure the kill is a consensus by town before lynch so we control it. That said, a scum who is about to get lynched will most certainly use it to kill off their mason if he is town. No reason not to. So we need to be careful. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Don't discuss games in progress period is the general rule. If it's a finished game, quote away. Ok, too bad. But I still stand by the policy. "If you kill your Mason, you get lynched" | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
Not day 1. Unless we have a billion good lynches. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, that is a retarded policy Why? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you. I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could. I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though) Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you. I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could. I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though) Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. Oh THIS policy. Yeah it's retarded if the town has consensus. If you just randomly use it for LOLKILLHIMHESCUM and it's town then... wtf.... | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 25 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote: This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that? Hmm completely true. If town agrees. Then you can kill obviously. I am talking about an out of the blue Mason kill because 1-2 people thought he was scummy. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Glad that you are active now, and also glad you pressed on the point about rayns suspicions on you that I raised earlier. I'm curious though, you seemed pretty confident that he was scum earlier in some of your posts. On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote: @rayn: We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing. Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? This post seemed a ton less aggressive. Do you still think rayn is scum? @Malongo On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote: I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'd really like you to elaborate on lazermonkey, I'm not following you... are you suspicious of him because you disagree with him on the mason pairing bit? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote: Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. lol, you are doing the same exact thing nay? Anyways On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: Important I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? I actually think this is a good idea. If Malangos kill doesn't click, we use this mechanic as a double lynch, with town votes (probably during the night phase). I also agree that it should be used later on, when there is more information on the thread, so I second this post. On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote: I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead. Here you show that you feel that Tofu's wagon is not warranted using the VT claim as an argument, because rayn was more vocal about it. Do you think rayn is more suspicious? What do you think of the SHiaopi/rayn interchange? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! I think you're making Koshi's policy bigger than it is. He proposes we only kill random mason kills not on towns consensus. And that's fine, as long as nobody random kills. I want to use the mason-KP as a way of double lynch, and hopefully nobody fucks with that. Even if you are town and about to get lynched don't martyr-KP your mason, we can always do that later if he's suspicious. If you're about to get mason killed by the consensus of town and are town, think of it as a double lynch --- you're denying town information by denying your flip. Anyway, I think scum have more motivation to mason kill if they are about to be killed in any way lynch or otherwise. If you're town and strike town with your mason kill martyr-KP then only shit can ensue imo. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Let's just leave the mason-kill as a vigi-shot and move on? | ||
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