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On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
FirmTofu or Sylencia.
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On July 24 2013 22:04 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired? I meant that mafia knows if they got 2 of them paired. Lazer is assuming there were no mafia paired *but* that the pairing is random. Do you see the flaw? If he really thinks the pairing is random there is no way to assume a 1-1 pairing unless you actually noted that mafia is not paired together.
If you just go with the numbers and the probabilities involved a 1-1 pairing instead of a doublescum pairing in the qt is more likely.
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Deadline is in ~28,5 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory!
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Guys, it's called speed dating. Probably we will change masons each day/night cycle.
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Love that kermit song. My first reaction after reading opening post and ShiaoPi claim VT was ...
Euuhm wait, I shouldn't tell you guys. Rain and FT would get upset again.
I can tell you it wasn't "oh I am also VT". It was waaay bigger. I always think big.
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Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target?
I am looking at FT his filter and the only reason people are focusing him is because he asks why ShiaoPi claimed? I have read a couple guides on mafia, and they all say that it isn't smart to claim first day even as VT. I am not a big fan of this "Kenpachi rule", I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person.
On July 24 2013 18:49 Lazermonkey wrote:I don't like FirmTofu. Look at this first post Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? Here he seems to think the VT claim is really random but doesn't really go too much into it. Doesn't actually push the issue nor does he seem to think it is alignment indicative in any way, But look how he reacts after it becomes clear that Rayn is suspicious of ShiaoPi Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
SNIP Its like he wanted to test the waters with the first post and then when he saw an opportunity in rayn's post he just jumped on it. This was ShiaoPi's only post at the time and he didn't post anything in between the two posts of FirmTofu, yet it takes Firm 1 hour and 20 minutes to say that he is suspicious of ShaioPi as well. And he was still in the thread during these 80 minutes. he just didn't comment on the matter. ##Vote: FirmTofu
I have a bigger problem with this reaction from Lazermonkey.
FT his first reaction was neutral, you can't tell that he is or isn't upset by the claim. His second post 1h20m later, reveals his opinion on the claim, the opinion he already had while asking ShiaoPi why he claimed.
Artanis his first post is this:
On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie.
That's an interesting first post. I always have to let everything sink in for a while when I read a new mafia game. This guy is straight to business. Maybe because he is pretty good at this game, maybe because FT is scumtarget for day 1?
FT said he was going to be back in +-6 hours from now. Let's hear him out. Hopefully you guys didn't put too much pressure on him, or he might post his role PM again :D
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On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia.
Really? How does that happen?
Except for saying that the VT claim rubbed him in the wrong way. What did FT do that is so scummy?
Why is Sylencia scummy? It's a clean filter.
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Malongo let's not shoot the Koshi. It's a very scummy thing to suggest. You will get lynched for it. Ask SloOsh.
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On July 24 2013 23:08 Koshi wrote:
Malongo let's not shoot the Koshi. It's a very scummy thing to suggest. You will get lynched for it. Ask SloOsh.
-_- Shoot? How can I shoot?
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Shoot/lynch/kill. It's all the same.
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You find Sylencia scummy Malongo?
Out of all people here. That guy looks really neutral.
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On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak.
Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate.
On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia.
Explain thx.
Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it)
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Also, Malongo was your attempted kill on Lazer just a joke since he isn't dead (and there's been a vote count since then)?
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My qt partner still hasn't revealed himself. Worst date ever.
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Oh wait, we weren't supposed to reveal? I thought the opposite was better - what am I missing =|
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I don't think it really matters if you reveal who your partner is in thread. If someone kills with it, everyone will know. At some point we definitely need to reveal, just a question of when. But for now at the very least each person should know who they're partnered with I think.
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You are supposed to say to your mason who you are, but not reveal mason in chat. At least that is what has been decided in this thread.
Nobody mentioned that masons will be swapped each cycle though, I believe t hey will so keeping your mason secret sounds useless to me.
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On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum.
Oh, I was under the assumption that the last point was kinda being followed. I also thought the reasoning was horrible to start, but I now completely understand that blue death will cause those linked to them to be targetted fast in the case information was given out.
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