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Ange is a boss co-host. She seriously spends more time co hosting than most do playing lol.
/in
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I would join this but GoT should start while this is going on.
I have to play in GoT.
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/obs until it starts after next weekend
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I have no idea what Cora has planned for you guys :D
Thanks Stutters ^^ I'd love to play more but I know I'd have to lurk excessively 
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On July 22 2013 06:09 Ange777 wrote:I have no idea what Cora has planned for you guys :D Thanks Stutters ^^ I'd love to play more but I know I'd have to lurk excessively
Btw sorry about that missed night action in NMM XLIV.
/obs, wanna watch an epic series, and would join but for wanting to stick to one game at a time, wanting to normal up in the last newbie, and therefore remain eligible for it.
Thank you so much for everything ange777!
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Breaking News
This just in. The next best show to hit the TL Mafia forums is currently casting the contestants for the show. The main hostess of the show, Ange777, was selected earlier today by the executive director Cora. The most pressing question the public wants answered is whether Miss Smurfette will be on the show. Miss Smurfette has not entered the spotlight since back in August 2009 when rumors started to spread that one young hopeful blue smurf proposed to her. Multiple investigations have undergone to settle the dispute as to whether Miss Smurfette has accepted the proposal, but none seem to be conclusive as no one has even located her whereabouts.
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On July 22 2013 18:28 ReporterSmurf wrote:Breaking News This just in. The next best show to hit the TL Mafia forums is currently casting the contestants for the show. The main hostess of the show, Ange777, was selected earlier today by the executive director Cora. The most pressing question the public wants answered is whether Miss Smurfette will be on the show. Miss Smurfette has not entered the spotlight since back in August 2009 when rumors started to spread that one young hopeful blue smurf proposed to her. Multiple investigations have undergone to settle the dispute as to whether Miss Smurfette has accepted the proposal, but none seem to be conclusive as no one has even located her whereabouts.
Lolwut
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are you talking to yourself Cora?!
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On July 23 2013 01:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
/obs
/in
Good call.
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Would everyone be ok with a deadline of 04:00 GMT (+00:00)? That would work out a lot better for me. Please leave your feedback on this. Thank you.
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I will never be able to make that deadline
not that that's a real problem...
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On July 23 2013 04:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will never be able to make that deadline
not that that's a real problem...
Dandel, I'm not sure what the difference is between the two deadlines for you. In fact it might actually let you wake up at a decent time to catch the deadline. Just saying...=P
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The difference is two hours.
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but as i said, I'm k with missing deadlines, it's not that bad.
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I'd rather play this than GoT, so /in!
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I am fine with both deadlines
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I can do whatever time either. That's 1-am est right?
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So, given that this game is [N], would it be resonable to assume that its mechanics aren't total bonkers? Or how wierd can game be before it is [T]?
Anyhow
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Ow, this deadline is kinda painfull for me... But given that I'm on holiday I can probably manage it. But if you could move it just a few hours in any direction it would be excelent : )
Edit: Ah, yhea 06:00 is better I'd say.
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On July 23 2013 19:37 Malongo wrote:
/in ?
I believe the game is already full. You are free to sign up for replacement though 
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Why whenever I go to these speed dateing things I alwaysget the womens lib chick or the dominatrix? My asshole is my own and you cant have it. Im going home to my computer it is twice the woman, and only half the man you are.
/out
/replacement
I replaced into bluelights so I will just replace into here if needed.
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Ok, the game is full. Malongo got in because Onegu is going to replace. Everyone seems ok with the new deadline as well (I'm sorry for changing it, when I wrote the OP I was on 3 hours of sleep and had been traveling for 2 days straight), so the game will start at the deadline tonight.
The game will not be too crazy. I put it as Normal in the queue for that reason.
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Unless it's endgame I am not going to wake up for the deadline. But I'll just find scum and vote for them ezpz.
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Role PMs should be going out within the next few minutes. No posting allowed until I post the D1 post.
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Day 1
One day, Kermit the Frog was wandering down the street, sad and lonely because he was green and no one wanted to be his friend. He would spend his days simply walking the city, looking for a companion who was green, just like him.
"I'll be alone forever, no one will ever love me." he would tell himself everyday when he woke up. He had tried everything to find a mate. He tried match.com, greenisgood.net, trashcanhobo.gov...and yet none of these dating sites could help him find his life companion.
He had just started to give up hope and walk back home when he spotted a strange building. On the top, it said "Speed Dating" in big letters. Refilled with hope, Kermit walked in, and sat down...
Day 1 has begun! Lynch is plurality; the player with most votes at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) will be lynched.
By now, you should all have figured out what I meant by "speed dating". I'm doing a one-time special; the first player to ask me to kill their mason partner will have their wish granted as soon as I get the pm. All they need to do is pm me. Beware, as your identity will be revealed should you choose to kill your mason partner.
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If you have a question about your role (or didn't receive a role pm) or want the Obs QT, pm me. GL HF!
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WooHoo! It started! I hope my partner is active. This game sounds fun!
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Firm, thoughts about anonymity in the qts?
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sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw
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On July 24 2013 13:17 Sylencia wrote:
Firm, thoughts about anonymity in the qts?
I already told my partner who I was so it's too late...
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On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw
dude, why you claim?
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Sorry i couldnt resist. 
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Hey dudes
I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia
Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used.
To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used.
HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that.
For clarity:
Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT
Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread
Thoughts/comments?
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On July 24 2013 14:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hey dudes
I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia
Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used.
To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used.
HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that.
For clarity:
Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT
Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread
Thoughts/comments?
What do you think about revealing who your partner is? Should you do it no matter what or only when you think you have dirt on them?
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Z-Boson, if you trust your partner enough to be able to share cases with each other, discussing it in the QT may be beneficial before posting in the thread. Doing so will allow the pair to keep observing the suspect without scaring them from acting the way they are.
Relevant cases should still be posted in the thread some time after, but I don't see a reason why we should be trying to cut out things to do in the QT.
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@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
@shiaoPi
I disagree with you. Having someone to polish their cases with before posting it out in the open is better for scum, because it will be harder for everyone else to fish out lies and inconsistencies that would be present in the original case.
However, I think discussions regarding certain people should take place before making a case, but not to the point where theh case will come from two people instead of one. Am I being clear about my meaning? What do you think?
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i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information.
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ebwop: @sylencia, not shiaopi
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On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information.
How do you think the QT should be used effectively? What do you think of my thoughts in the other post?
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On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
Nono, you didn't understand what I said. I'm asking do you think we should tell the thread who our QT partners are?
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Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction?
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On July 24 2013 15:07 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. How do you think the QT should be used effectively? What do you think of my thoughts in the other post?
The game has just started. I think the QT's at this point should be used to figure out your mason partner's alignment. Subject to change later on.
You mean this post?
On July 24 2013 14:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hey dudes
I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia
Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used.
To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used.
HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that.
For clarity:
Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT
Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread
Thoughts/comments?
I think there should be no random thoughts & fluff. Why do you? Also what do you mean by other stuff?
At this point all analysis should be on thread. There is no reason to be not transparent.
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On July 24 2013 15:09 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
Nono, you didn't understand what I said. I'm asking do you think we should tell the thread who our QT partners are?
Oh.
No, I disagree. I think that the information associated with the timing of future mason claims is relevant. TBH, I dont see the point at all to announce your partners for no reason at this stage of the game.
What say you?
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On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction?
Because the claim is either stupid or scum.
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On July 24 2013 15:13 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:09 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
Nono, you didn't understand what I said. I'm asking do you think we should tell the thread who our QT partners are? Oh. No, I disagree. I think that the information associated with the timing of future mason claims is relevant. TBH, I dont see the point at all to announce your partners for no reason at this stage of the game. What say you?
Agreed.
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On July 24 2013 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:07 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. How do you think the QT should be used effectively? What do you think of my thoughts in the other post? The game has just started. I think the QT's at this point should be used to figure out your mason partner's alignment. Subject to change later on. You mean this post? Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hey dudes
I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia
Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used.
To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used.
HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that.
For clarity:
Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT
Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread
Thoughts/comments?
I think there should be no random thoughts & fluff. Why do you? Also what do you mean by other stuff? At this point all analysis should be on thread. There is no reason to be not transparent.
I added "fluff" in there so as to mean that there wont be fluff in the thread. But yea, the less fluff the better.
Random thoughts = related to the game, but that would be disruptive in the thread.
Other stuff = masterful game-ending plans to dish out scum
I agree 100% that transparency is best for now, so Im glad that on this regard we are on the same page.
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I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum.
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What do you think of Sylencia?
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On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum.
Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.
However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
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On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt.
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Going to sleep. Will be active in approx 14 hours.
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On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
@shiaoPi
I disagree with you. Having someone to polish their cases with before posting it out in the open is better for scum, because it will be harder for everyone else to fish out lies and inconsistencies that would be present in the original case.
However, I think discussions regarding certain people should take place before making a case, but not to the point where theh case will come from two people instead of one. Am I being clear about my meaning? What do you think?
What's wrong with the part where someone from the QT posting cases made after it's been proven/given up on? As long as we still show the cases that were made, they can't hide behind anything
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On July 24 2013 15:34 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
@FirmTofu
I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts.
IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan?
@shiaoPi
I disagree with you. Having someone to polish their cases with before posting it out in the open is better for scum, because it will be harder for everyone else to fish out lies and inconsistencies that would be present in the original case.
However, I think discussions regarding certain people should take place before making a case, but not to the point where theh case will come from two people instead of one. Am I being clear about my meaning? What do you think? What's wrong with the part where someone from the QT posting cases made after it's been proven/given up on? As long as we still show the cases that were made, they can't hide behind anything
Theres a difference between one person reading a case and 11. While one person may not find anything noteworthy in a case, some other townie might. Cases should go in thread first.
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On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia?
Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention?
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On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt.
Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi?
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Well, Im off to sleep. Be back tomorrow.
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On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi?
That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him?
I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were.
On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention?
Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention.
Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
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We claim our names in QT, we claim who we are in the QT with, I already did it anyway. My partner hasn't posted yet so I'm unable to do that atm but will do that as soon as he does post. I'm assuming right now that everyone
got 1 mason partner, no more no less.
scum got 3 players.
Every scum player is paired with a town player.
Which doesn't seem very unresonable to me. This means that scum already knows 3 of the mason pairs. Claiming our QTs means that scum will know 3 more QTs by having everyone to claim but town will know 5 more QTs. This is a very favourable trade off for town. Also, more openess is almost always a positive thing for town.
Another thing we could discuss is revealing all posts from the QTs every night. This is an idea we used in Mad men mafia, where we had 6 millers (the ones who chooses a player every day to chat with, not these types, but still) in a 24 player game. Some time before the NK one of the players outed every post made in the QT the last 72 hours. Not only did this give more information to work with for the thread but it also prevents scum from faking posts in the QT if the partner dies. I haven't really analyzed this idea too much, but I think it is probably a good one.
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sorry i disappeared. but got busy. i am on my way home now, will share my reasons once i get there. phoneposting is not the best way to elaborate
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Lazer, how do you know scum are paired with townies?
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On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
I see no reason why you'd hide the information. More info = more chances town can find hidden gems in the future. The reason why I asked was because I was caught off guard by the amount of freedom we had been given in the QTs, and having never masoned before I wasn't sure what the right move was.
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On July 24 2013 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer, how do you know scum are paired with townies? I don't. I assumed it. Thats why I wrote that I assumed it -.-. And don't start with this "herp, town doesn't know that therefore scum, derp". Do you not think it is a resonable assumption that every scum maison is paired with a townie?
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I don't like FirmTofu. Look at this first postOn July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:dude, why you claim? Here he seems to think the VT claim is really random but doesn't really go too much into it. Doesn't actually push the issue nor does he seem to think it is alignment indicative in any way, But look how he reacts after it becomes clear that Rayn is suspicious of ShiaoPi
On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
SNIP Its like he wanted to test the waters with the first post and then when he saw an opportunity in rayn's post he just jumped on it. This was ShiaoPi's only post at the time and he didn't post anything in between the two posts of FirmTofu, yet it takes Firm 1 hour and 20 minutes to say that he is suspicious of ShaioPi as well. And he was still in the thread during these 80 minutes. he just didn't comment on the matter.
##Vote: FirmTofu
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EBWOP: And to make it clear, I don't see anything alignment indicative in Shiao's post.
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EBWOP2: nor do I think its stupid.
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Apparently my mason partner killed me for some reason....
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So in case i die:
raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 06:28 AM ET (US) omg. seriously? :EE 4 Malongo 07-24-2013 05:14 AM ET (US) hi Ryan. I am sorry, i asked to get you killed . Nothing personal, i actually didnt knew it was you and just resent a hold up msg a minute ago (trying to revert the hit). ShiaoPis claim is null to me, more likely just a plain townie/dt trying to prevent a hit from the mafia, Z-Boson null for now. I think Lazermonkeys post is more of a threat. Again sorry if I cant hold the hit, I thought most the guys posting were already on contact (still 5/6 players to post), also thats why I posted "sorry i couldnt resist". 3 raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 02:01 AM ET (US) hey! what do you think of shiaoPi's/Z-Boson's first post? 2 Malongo 07-24-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) What is this? I got caught by surprise haha.
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So I am back home.
Reasons for claiming vt:
First off it's true lol, more importantly however I wanted to get some juicy reactions and I got some noteworthy already.
the thing is the claim itself is entirely not indicative of alignment and in my opinion town should just take a note on it and move on. Sure you can't prove anything at this stage, but does it matter? You should be scumhunting not harping around a non-alignment indicative behavior. So let me summarize some reactions to it.
Z-boson is doing the right thing, just noting it and moving on as seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
FirmTofu and rayn however strike me as incredibly scummy right now. Lazer already pointed out the thing that stands out about FirmTofu's behavior, so no need for me to elaborate on him.
On Rayn however:
Do you see the blatant contradiction?
His first reaction is just a wtf, which is okayish to me, but a bit on the scummy side.
Then he says that it is "pointless" and either "stupid or scum". Saying that there is no reason for me to do it: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt.
As Z boson points out however that it is simply not alignment indicative rayn goes to this position:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
So let me summarize:
-WTF --> Stupid or Scum --> He has a plan!!!!
I don't apprehend how you can go through these stages based on logic. It is much more likely he tried to paint me in a bad manner, then saw that it did not quite work out and reverted course. I mean in the beginning he does not even entertain the notion of my claim being part of a plan, he just says stupid/scum.
Anyway since he apparently got killed already not much more to say about him.
##Vote: FirmTofu
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EBWOP:
Reading through the posted log.
Seriously Malongo? Also wtf do you mean by Lazer's post is more of a "threat"?
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I think he is faking. If not, I'll probably hurt myself very badly. Unless you are scum. Then it is all cool : )
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Stupid or scum does not mean i think you are scummy. It means i don't see any reason for you to claim vt as town. I know the claim is not alignment indicative, but your reasons might be. As for your reasons that's the only thing that counts as a good reason for a townie, so no, i don't think you are scum atm.
I'm interested in hearing why you think Z-Boson's post about the claim is any better than mine? Look at what he says:
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Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.
However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
He calls the post pointless and actually for me that bolded line reads he is suspicious of you no?
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but not based on the claim itself. It was based on activity after the claim, a much more solid tell than the claim.
Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway?
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On July 24 2013 19:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
but not based on the claim itself. It was based on activity after the claim, a much more solid tell than the claim.
Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway?
I wanted you to give your reasons for claiming and i was promoting discussion by hopping on you. I don't know your alignment so there is always the possibility that you just did something stupid as scum and can't explain it. I would have insta-lynched you if you said "because i am a vt" or something like that.
Look at what my pressure on you did? I think both of Z-Boson/FirmTofu's follow up's on this are fishy. Z-Boson somehow thinks i think you are scum. And FirmTofu's actions are already pointed out.
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Not only Z boson thinks that you think I am scum, I do too <3
I am more interested whether or not you are actually dead now.
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Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
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On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
lol
scum for not even reading properly?
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This is what i mean. Why the fuck should i scumhunt like this:
"Hi ShiaoPi, why did you claim VT? It's scummy or stupid, or maybe you have some sort of a plan, like gauging reactions which is reasonable for a townie to do. Which is it?"
Why the fuck should i give you the answers that are right? What's the point of questions in that case?
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You should just fucking ignore it like most of the thread did, since it does not even matter....too hard of a matter for you to grasp?
Outlined my thoughts more than enough. and your subsequent vote is just terrible reasoning as well.
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WHY ARE YOU SAYING SOMETHING THAT "DOES NOT MATTER" TO THE GAME?
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to get the reactions I got
FirmTofu and yours are precisely what I was hoping to get
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I am soon going to write what i think, but you need to answer this first:
On July 24 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is what i mean. Why the fuck should i scumhunt like this:
"Hi ShiaoPi, why did you claim VT? It's scummy or stupid, or maybe you have some sort of a plan, like gauging reactions which is reasonable for a townie to do. Which is it?"
Why the fuck should i give you the answers that are right? What's the point of questions in that case?
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You do not even get the point do you?
There is no need to question me on the claim, just note it down like you would a miller claim or something. You cannot prove it you cannot make out whether I am lying or not until I flip. You could have easily just noted my lack of activity right after as Z boson did, as that is much more alignment indicative than the claim.
Do I have to repeat myself? Well whatever you are scum bro
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Why are you avoiding my question?
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hahahahaha, I am avoiding the question? Are you sure you are reading what I am posting? Even without my claim there was plenty of other possible discussion you could do in thread about usage of the QT for example. Scumhunting in there is something you have done, sure but your reaction to my claim and the subsequent vote now is just terrible beyond measure.
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Lol why would I actually lie? The hit would be known anyways. However it is not my call anymore, as I sent the kill when I made the first post and the pm asking to stop it when ryan contacted me.
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Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer
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On July 24 2013 20:13 ShiaoPi wrote:
hahahahaha, I am avoiding the question? Are you sure you are reading what I am posting? Even without my claim there was plenty of other possible discussion you could do in thread about usage of the QT for example. Scumhunting in there is something you have done, sure but your reaction to my claim and the subsequent vote now is just terrible beyond measure.
Yes you are avoiding the question.
Another one. Why do you want people to talk about setup rather than other people's actual actions in this game? Setup talk usually finds you scum right?
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I have no clue in what delusional space you live in rayn /shrug
Not saying that I am encouraging setup speculation, I am saying that the discussion about QTs had more worthwhile things going on than a claim, which is not alignment indicative at all. Seriously you even reading what I am writing without trying to twist the words?
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What exactly about them is more important? And btw i told my stance on the QT's very clearly because i find that discussion irrelevant to finding mafia.
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On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer
I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings).
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Look for example at FirmTofu's posts on QTs:
He first asks questions to the thread in regards to stances on QT (in this case whether or not to reveal you mason partner): but avoids posting this first:On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum.
Which would instantly clarify his stance in any case. Why test the waters first with questions, if you have already made up your mind? It is scummy to me, trying to blend in with threadflow after asking where it is.
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@Malongo: What is your opinion on FirmTofu?
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On July 24 2013 20:30 ShiaoPi wrote:Look for example at FirmTofu's posts on QTs: He first asks questions to the thread in regards to stances on QT (in this case whether or not to reveal you mason partner): but avoids posting this first: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. Which would instantly clarify his stance in any case. Why test the waters first with questions, if you have already made up your mind? It is scummy to me, trying to blend in with threadflow after asking where it is.
I don't understand a single bit of this post. Are you accusing me of blending in by asking you questions, when i have clearly stated what my thought process was?
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On July 24 2013 20:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo: What is your opinion on FirmTofu?
Not so firm. But no that mafiaso either. If we are looking lynch targets I rather lynch a non poster. There are at least 4 people that have yet to post once. Lynching a participative player is dumb when mafia is more likely to be inactive.
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On July 24 2013 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:30 ShiaoPi wrote:Look for example at FirmTofu's posts on QTs: He first asks questions to the thread in regards to stances on QT (in this case whether or not to reveal you mason partner): but avoids posting this first: On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. Which would instantly clarify his stance in any case. Why test the waters first with questions, if you have already made up your mind? It is scummy to me, trying to blend in with threadflow after asking where it is. I don't understand a single bit of this post. Are you accusing me of blending in by asking you questions, when i have clearly stated what my thought process was?
You really aren't reading what I am posting....
You asked what I thought was important from the QT discussions. I provided an example from it, further enhancing why FirmTofu is securely in the scumcamp for me (besides the claim thingie).
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Any more questions ShiaoPi?
What do you think of lynching Koshi first day?
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On July 24 2013 20:45 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo: What is your opinion on FirmTofu? Not so firm. But no that mafiaso either. If we are looking lynch targets I rather lynch a non poster. There are at least 4 people that have yet to post once. Lynching a participative player is dumb when mafia is more likely to be inactive.
Assume for a second that there are no other players besides those who have posted until now. Who do you want to kill?
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ebwop: why koshi? why not artanis or dandel or rainbows or stutters who have done exactly the same thing? what makes koshi stand out?
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On July 24 2013 20:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: why koshi? why not artanis or dandel or rainbows or stutters who have done exactly the same thing? what makes koshi stand out?
I answered 2 questions already.
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On July 24 2013 20:50 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: why koshi? why not artanis or dandel or rainbows or stutters who have done exactly the same thing? what makes koshi stand out? I answered 2 questions already.
and that makes you unable to answer more questions?
No to koshi right now.
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I don't think I'll date my date.
Dude lost on his second post.
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@Dandel: Read the thread and come back with something useful then.
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On July 24 2013 20:51 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:50 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 20:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: why koshi? why not artanis or dandel or rainbows or stutters who have done exactly the same thing? what makes koshi stand out? I answered 2 questions already. and that makes you unable to answer more questions? No to koshi right now.
I never said I was unable to answer more, it was You that answered with a question my friend.
Who do you want to lynch?
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Look where my vote is. Firmtofu is my lynch of choice today.
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On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'm sorry, I literally don't understand this post at all. Like not even a single bit. I'm no veteran and even if I were, why is my way of presenting suspicions scummy? Isn't the mason pairing random? at least I got paired with some random dude. And what do you mean with "he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings)."
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Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie.
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I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter.
Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool?
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So let me get this straigth ShiaoPi. This is your thought process:
I am scum because i did discuss your claim and wanted to know your reasons for claiming VT. You say i should have focused on other things like QT-talk, which i did. At the same time you accuse FirmTofu of being wishy-washy about the QT-thingy (asking useless questions). By that logic i should come up as townie to you, because i did what you by your own words expect from a townie. You say Z-Boson did a townie thing by saying your claim is not alignment indicative. Guess what. I said that too, i said your reasons for the claim might be alignment indicative. Z-Boson however implies he is supicious of you in the very same post, when activity is really not a thing that's alignment indicative, at least in the first 12 hours of the game. You take that as a face value, actually you YOURSELF call your actions (or rather lack of them - activity) scummy, but when i state my reasons for my actions you are not willing to even try to understand them.
By using that logic i could say you are scum because you fucked up at the start. You can't explain that, it is set in the stone. But i am not, so can you now clarify your thought process to me.
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On July 24 2013 21:03 Malongo wrote:
I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter.
Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool?
If you checked the timestamps of his last posts in sicilian you could see that he has not been posting since our game started, probably just no time I would guess.
And yes I believe to have a better shot on an active player. Since lynching somebody who has not even posted yet is fucking stupid beyond measure. you might as well flip a coin
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On July 24 2013 21:03 Malongo wrote:
I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter.
Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool?
Why are you calling people inactive 8 hours into the day? We've only just started, some people are still sleeping or browse TL during the evening only. Give people some time, man.
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Malongo... what?
Why would you ask about koshi? it doesn't fucking make any sense at all. What diferentiated him from everyone else who had not posted at that point? You don't make any sense at all.
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On July 24 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let me get this straigth ShiaoPi. This is your thought process:
I am scum because i did discuss your claim and wanted to know your reasons for claiming VT. You say i should have focused on other things like QT-talk, which i did. At the same time you accuse FirmTofu of being wishy-washy about the QT-thingy (asking useless questions). By that logic i should come up as townie to you, because i did what you by your own words expect from a townie. You say Z-Boson did a townie thing by saying your claim is not alignment indicative. Guess what. I said that too, i said your reasons for the claim might be alignment indicative. Z-Boson however implies he is supicious of you in the very same post, when activity is really not a thing that's alignment indicative, at least in the first 12 hours of the game. You take that as a face value, actually you YOURSELF call your actions (or rather lack of them - activity) scummy, but when i state my reasons for my actions you are not willing to even try to understand them.
By using that logic i could say you are scum because you fucked up at the start. You can't explain that, it is set in the stone. But i am not, so can you now clarify your thought process to me.
are you familiar with the kenpachi rule?
I just used it on you and firmtofu. The point is there is no need for a townie to discuss my claim in any way larger than a passing notice of "alright, let's see what you deliver the following days".
Your reaction of first trying to paint me scummy and then backtracking is exactly the scummy reaction I was hoping to receive. Scum will jump on the claim since it is such an easy way to "contribute" and "scumhunt". I do not deny that you were doing correct things as well (such as discussing QT-things). On ZBoson, the important thing is he is not basing his suspicions on the claim but rather on activity, which is a better measure than a VT-claim.
You discussing QT-stuff is also the reason you are only my secondary scumread at the moment. FirmTofu is a much more certain scum to me than you right now. What I dislike is your vote on me and attempting to twist my words in the discussion we had earlier.
I do not understand what you are trying to say in your last sentence btw. Are you saying I fucked up at start and therefore must be scum?
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I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand?
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I read the thread now.
But I won't post my thoughts.
That'll show them.
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On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand?
lol u got kenpachi'd
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On July 24 2013 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:03 Malongo wrote:
I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter.
Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool? Why are you calling people inactive 8 hours into the day? We've only just started, some people are still sleeping or browse TL during the evening only. Give people some time, man.
Well, in my experience mafia is more likely to skip the starting part of the day. Maybe you want to call them "yet to post" people? I dont really care.
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ShiaoPi knows his stuff. Rayn doesn't.
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On July 24 2013 21:15 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:03 Malongo wrote:
I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter.
Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool? Why are you calling people inactive 8 hours into the day? We've only just started, some people are still sleeping or browse TL during the evening only. Give people some time, man. Well, in my experience mafia is more likely to skip the starting part of the day. Maybe you want to call them "yet to post" people? I dont really care.
The early part is actually the only one I ever post in as scum. It's easy.
Tru story.
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[unless the deadline is at 6 am]
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On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand?
Tell me, what else does that mean:
On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information.
"what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively
On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum.
saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy.
On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt.
This post implies that I am not town to you.
On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
This is where you backpedal
On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum.
Did I miss anything?
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There's lotta things rayn doesn't know.
But there are also things Shiaopi doesn't know.
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On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand? you are correct, you didn't. You said it was scumy or stupid. Its none of that. Its just a null tell. You shouldn't really make a deal of it but you did. That is why people are suspecting you. Really, try to think the situation through for one sec. He really could have any fucking role in the game while claiming VT. It doesn't confirm him as anything.
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And yes, I am mildely suspicious of Rayn but not more than off Firm. Koshi's posting strikes me as very geniun. Scum doesn't want this much attention at themelves for no apparent reason.
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People are gonna not post in thread and pretend they do post in QTs
Calling it now
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On July 24 2013 21:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
There's lotta things rayn doesn't know.
But there are also things Shiaopi doesn't know. Yhea but the thing ShiaoPi doesn't know isn't his stuff : )
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On July 24 2013 21:22 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
There's lotta things rayn doesn't know.
But there are also things Shiaopi doesn't know. Yhea but the thing ShiaoPi doesn't know isn't his stuff : )
There is stuff.
There is always stuff.
You don't even know the kind of stuff there is.
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Dandel, who are you masoned with?
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On July 24 2013 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
Dandel, who are you masoned with?
The self-appointed ruler of the world.
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On July 24 2013 21:22 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 24 2013 21:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
There's lotta things rayn doesn't know.
But there are also things Shiaopi doesn't know. Yhea but the thing ShiaoPi doesn't know isn't his stuff : ) There is stuff. There is always stuff. You don't even know the kind of stuff there is.
The stuff is strong in this one.
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On July 24 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:The self-appointed ruler of the world. Did I miss something? O.o
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On July 24 2013 21:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
Dandel, who are you masoned with? The self-appointed ruler of the world. Did I miss something? O.o
Probably my mason chat.
Oh yes, that must be it.
Just read that one, then you'll understand.
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Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game.
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On July 24 2013 21:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
And yes, I am mildely suspicious of Rayn but not more than off Firm. Koshi's posting strikes me as very geniun. Scum doesn't want this much attention at themelves for no apparent reason.
Really? Care to explain that?
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On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game.
I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest.
Your stuff is weak.
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On July 24 2013 21:26 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
And yes, I am mildely suspicious of Rayn but not more than off Firm. Koshi's posting strikes me as very geniun. Scum doesn't want this much attention at themelves for no apparent reason. Really? Care to explain that? Haha, I meant your posting lol.
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I read Koshi's filter he clearly is supertown.
towniest town ever, genuine as shit.
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On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak.
y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it.
?
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On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Well, I need to read better I guess -.-
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Hey ShiaoPi dont you really think that Lazermonkey is far better lynch target?
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Well, I need to read better I guess -.-
the stuff is weak in that one.
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ?
Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world.
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Malongo wrote:
Hey ShiaoPi dont you really think that Lazermonkey is far better lynch target?
Would you care to elaborate on that?
I currently don't see a reason to kill him
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On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world.
but there can only be one carrot per monkey.
Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it.
If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no?
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On July 24 2013 21:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'm sorry, I literally don't understand this post at all. Like not even a single bit. I'm no veteran and even if I were, why is my way of presenting suspicions scummy? Isn't the mason pairing random? at least I got paired with some random dude. And what do you mean with "he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings)." Malango plz
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On July 24 2013 17:48 Lazermonkey wrote:
We claim our names in QT, we claim who we are in the QT with, I already did it anyway. My partner hasn't posted yet so I'm unable to do that atm but will do that as soon as he does post. I'm assuming right now that everyone
got 1 mason partner, no more no less.
scum got 3 players.
Every scum player is paired with a town player.
Which doesn't seem very unresonable to me. This means that scum already knows 3 of the mason pairs. Claiming our QTs means that scum will know 3 more QTs by having everyone to claim but town will know 5 more QTs. This is a very favourable trade off for town. Also, more openess is almost always a positive thing for town.
Another thing we could discuss is revealing all posts from the QTs every night. This is an idea we used in Mad men mafia, where we had 6 millers (the ones who chooses a player every day to chat with, not these types, but still) in a 24 player game. Some time before the NK one of the players outed every post made in the QT the last 72 hours. Not only did this give more information to work with for the thread but it also prevents scum from faking posts in the QT if the partner dies. I haven't really analyzed this idea too much, but I think it is probably a good one.
On July 24 2013 21:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'm sorry, I literally don't understand this post at all. Like not even a single bit. I'm no veteran and even if I were, why is my way of presenting suspicions scummy? Isn't the mason pairing random? at least I got paired with some random dude. And what do you mean with"he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings)."
Its not random if 2 mafia cant be paired. Only the mafia knows for sure if they got 2 of them paired, something not good for the mafia (as they are already in contact).
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@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things.
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I'd be really surprised if mafia can't be paired with each other.
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On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things.
So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows.
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On July 24 2013 21:17 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand? Tell me, what else does that mean: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. "what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively
This is an implication to you that i want a reason for your claim.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. This post implies that I am not town to you.
This is pressuring you to answer.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? This is where you backpedal
See, i explain it here. In the set of quotes there is also the post you call Z-Boson town for. I don't understand how you get a town read on him for this as explained. I am not backpedalling, i am explaining what i am doing.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum. Did I miss anything?
Yes, that's where i really thought you were scum. However now i am not so sure about it any more as i can see what you mean. However you are wrong if you are town. You started discussion with VT claim. I found that odd and wanted your reasons for the claim. If you think i am scum because of that then there is not much i can answer to you regarding that other than you are wrong. I, like you wanted to start the discussion on something other than setup. Last game (Bluelightz game) i tried playing more passively than usual and see what the D1 was like. Fucking awful.
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I am not sure on that. From a hosting perspective it does make sense to have scum not paired with scum and since the setup is closed it is unlikely that we will get answers for that anyway.
It is a nice detail you found, something to keep in mind but not convincing me enought to switch of FirmTofu right now.
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On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows.
How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired?
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Well, I assumed host made up resonable mason teams and assumed he wouldn't pair two scum together. I think this is a good and not very bold assumption yet its obviously still just an assumption and I wouldn't want to base the whole game around it. However, for early D1 discussion its all good IMO. I interpreted your post as that mafia had the option to chose their mason partners, thus my confusion. I see where you are comming from but I really don't see how it makes scum at all yet you want to lynch me...
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired?
Actually this is a good point. Also i don't understand why Lazer said what he did (assuming scum are paired with town - then saying it's likely random).
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@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
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Artanis you still need to answer the monkeys.
I will not forget.
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired?
I meant that mafia knows if they got 2 of them paired. Lazer is assuming there were no mafia paired *but* that the pairing is random. Do you see the flaw? If he really thinks the pairing is random there is no way to assume a 1-1 pairing unless you actually noted that mafia is not paired together.
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The monkeys are key, you see.
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On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
FirmTofu or Sylencia.
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On July 24 2013 22:04 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired? I meant that mafia knows if they got 2 of them paired. Lazer is assuming there were no mafia paired *but* that the pairing is random. Do you see the flaw? If he really thinks the pairing is random there is no way to assume a 1-1 pairing unless you actually noted that mafia is not paired together.
If you just go with the numbers and the probabilities involved a 1-1 pairing instead of a doublescum pairing in the qt is more likely.
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Deadline is in ~28,5 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory!
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Guys, it's called speed dating. Probably we will change masons each day/night cycle.
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Love that kermit song. My first reaction after reading opening post and ShiaoPi claim VT was ...
Euuhm wait, I shouldn't tell you guys. Rain and FT would get upset again.
I can tell you it wasn't "oh I am also VT". It was waaay bigger. I always think big.
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Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target?
I am looking at FT his filter and the only reason people are focusing him is because he asks why ShiaoPi claimed? I have read a couple guides on mafia, and they all say that it isn't smart to claim first day even as VT. I am not a big fan of this "Kenpachi rule", I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person.
On July 24 2013 18:49 Lazermonkey wrote:I don't like FirmTofu. Look at this first post Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? Here he seems to think the VT claim is really random but doesn't really go too much into it. Doesn't actually push the issue nor does he seem to think it is alignment indicative in any way, But look how he reacts after it becomes clear that Rayn is suspicious of ShiaoPi Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
SNIP Its like he wanted to test the waters with the first post and then when he saw an opportunity in rayn's post he just jumped on it. This was ShiaoPi's only post at the time and he didn't post anything in between the two posts of FirmTofu, yet it takes Firm 1 hour and 20 minutes to say that he is suspicious of ShaioPi as well. And he was still in the thread during these 80 minutes. he just didn't comment on the matter. ##Vote: FirmTofu
I have a bigger problem with this reaction from Lazermonkey.
FT his first reaction was neutral, you can't tell that he is or isn't upset by the claim. His second post 1h20m later, reveals his opinion on the claim, the opinion he already had while asking ShiaoPi why he claimed.
Artanis his first post is this:
On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie.
That's an interesting first post. I always have to let everything sink in for a while when I read a new mafia game. This guy is straight to business. Maybe because he is pretty good at this game, maybe because FT is scumtarget for day 1?
FT said he was going to be back in +-6 hours from now. Let's hear him out. Hopefully you guys didn't put too much pressure on him, or he might post his role PM again :D
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On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia.
Really? How does that happen?
Except for saying that the VT claim rubbed him in the wrong way. What did FT do that is so scummy?
Why is Sylencia scummy? It's a clean filter.
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Malongo let's not shoot the Koshi. It's a very scummy thing to suggest. You will get lynched for it. Ask SloOsh.
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On July 24 2013 23:08 Koshi wrote:
Malongo let's not shoot the Koshi. It's a very scummy thing to suggest. You will get lynched for it. Ask SloOsh.
-_- Shoot? How can I shoot?
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Shoot/lynch/kill. It's all the same.
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You find Sylencia scummy Malongo?
Out of all people here. That guy looks really neutral.
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On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak.
Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate.
On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia.
Explain thx.
Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it)
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Also, Malongo was your attempted kill on Lazer just a joke since he isn't dead (and there's been a vote count since then)?
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My qt partner still hasn't revealed himself. Worst date ever.
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Oh wait, we weren't supposed to reveal? I thought the opposite was better - what am I missing =|
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I don't think it really matters if you reveal who your partner is in thread. If someone kills with it, everyone will know. At some point we definitely need to reveal, just a question of when. But for now at the very least each person should know who they're partnered with I think.
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You are supposed to say to your mason who you are, but not reveal mason in chat. At least that is what has been decided in this thread.
Nobody mentioned that masons will be swapped each cycle though, I believe t hey will so keeping your mason secret sounds useless to me.
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On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum.
Oh, I was under the assumption that the last point was kinda being followed. I also thought the reasoning was horrible to start, but I now completely understand that blue death will cause those linked to them to be targetted fast in the case information was given out.
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On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no?
There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known.
On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target?
Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town.
I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person.
That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting.
On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate.
I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
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Your mom feels itchy.
SHOTS FIRED
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On July 25 2013 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your mom feels itchy.
SHOTS FIRED
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Shit just got real. Anyway now that I'm at work I'm catching up.
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I fell for the Kenpachi rule like 5 times(his name is in my phone's dictionary despite never playing with him lol) and not once of those times was I actually scum. Not saying one of them can't be scum, but I really don't understand the appeal of it for finding scum.
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On July 25 2013 00:53 Stutters695 wrote:
I fell for the Kenpachi rule like 5 times.
How do you fall for that five times? What?
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Five might be excessive, but there have been multiple games where I've been called scum d1 because of the Kenpachi rule. I usually don't think shit through d1 and wing it as I go since that generally makes better discussion.
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So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far.
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Anyway, if my qt partner doesn't identify himself/actually post by the 24/36? hr mark, what do you guys think about me killing him. We could use this for a dual purpose. Get rid of a hardcore lurker and we could test what Mal was saying about cancelling the shot without hitting someone we can read if he's lying (I think he is).
Actually second part might be gaming the setup too much, but figured I'd still post it since the first part is worth considering at least.
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Anyway I'd totally be game to lynch Mal until he explains better why he thought it was a good idea to try and get someone killed so early in the day. If this was an attempt at a play from a town to force discussion the obvious choice is to not actually PM the host and just say you did so he'd contribute before he died.
Something doesn't add up.
##vote: Malango
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Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this?
Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.
On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
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Dandel giving any shit= probably town. Basically wait and see if it continues or if he gets bored. Bored=100% scum
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On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far.
I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post.
I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there.
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Rainbows, are you masoned with stutters? If not, I'm cool with stutters killing his partner.
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The other person I really want to hear about is Rayn. He looks way scummier than FT.
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On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there.
I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.
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On July 25 2013 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rainbows, are you masoned with stutters? If not, I'm cool with stutters killing his partner.
I am.
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On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.
We will be friends this game!
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So Stutters asked me about Malongo in the QT and I responded thusly:
If Malongo is scum then he obviously wanted to make sure the KP from masoning was in scums hands and not towns, which is a very good option. However, he becomes known and is put under scrutiny. I don't know if you can PM the host to deny the killing or not, but why would he openly tell him that he was killing him if scum? Wouldn't he just wait for the kill-post and then explain to the thread?
I'm not sure it makes him scum in that regard but it's something to question him about
Now I dug this up from earlier. It might just be wording but I think it could be significant.
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Malongo
07-24-2013
05:14 AM ET (US)
hi Ryan. I am sorry, i asked to get you killed . Nothing personal, i actually didnt knew it was you and just resent a hold up msg a minute ago (trying to revert the hit). ShiaoPis claim is null to me, more likely just a plain townie/dt trying to prevent a hit from the mafia, Z-Boson null for now. I think Lazermonkeys post is more of a threat.
Again sorry if I cant hold the hit, I thought most the guys posting were already on contact (still 5/6 players to post), also thats why I posted "sorry i couldnt resist".
Malongo uses the word "threat" as if he has some inherent guilty. Like he is trying to protect himself. He doesn't say suspicious or scummy but instead threat.
That's really all I think about Malongo atm. Rayn is kinda scummy but active. Z-BosoN is clean with his posting but something is off imo.
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Important
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.
That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts?
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Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you.
I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could.
I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though)
Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum.
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Don't discuss games in progress period is the general rule. If it's a finished game, quote away.
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On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote:
Important
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.
That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts?
Sounds reasonable. If town/majority agrees we can use it as a double lynch.
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Well, that is a retarded policy
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On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote:
Important
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.
That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts?
You propose we do it but don't want to?
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You can quote posts if the game is over.
But if scum use the shot then they will strike town and get weasel their way out of it. We don't want scum getting a free kp. We should make sure the kill is a consensus by town before lynch so we control it. That said, a scum who is about to get lynched will most certainly use it to kill off their mason if he is town. No reason not to. So we need to be careful.
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On July 25 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Don't discuss games in progress period is the general rule. If it's a finished game, quote away.
Ok, too bad.
But I still stand by the policy. "If you kill your Mason, you get lynched"
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On July 25 2013 02:57 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote:
Important
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.
That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? You propose we do it but don't want to?
Not day 1. Unless we have a billion good lynches.
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On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy
Why?
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On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you.
I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could.
I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though)
Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum.
This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that?
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On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you.
I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could.
I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though)
Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum.
Oh THIS policy. Yeah it's retarded if the town has consensus. If you just randomly use it for LOLKILLHIMHESCUM and it's town then... wtf....
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On July 25 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you.
I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could.
I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though)
Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that?
Hmm completely true.
If town agrees. Then you can kill obviously.
I am talking about an out of the blue Mason kill because 1-2 people thought he was scummy.
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@ShiaoPi
Glad that you are active now, and also glad you pressed on the point about rayns suspicions on you that I raised earlier.
I'm curious though, you seemed pretty confident that he was scum earlier in some of your posts.
On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
This post seemed a ton less aggressive. Do you still think rayn is scum?
@Malongo
On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings).
I'd really like you to elaborate on lazermonkey, I'm not following you... are you suspicious of him because you disagree with him on the mason pairing bit?
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On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing).
Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no!
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I keep reading Malongo's name as Mango T.T
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On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
lol, you are doing the same exact thing nay?
Anyways
On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote:
Important
I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.
That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts?
I actually think this is a good idea. If Malangos kill doesn't click, we use this mechanic as a double lynch, with town votes (probably during the night phase).
I also agree that it should be used later on, when there is more information on the thread, so I second this post.
On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.
Here you show that you feel that Tofu's wagon is not warranted using the VT claim as an argument, because rayn was more vocal about it. Do you think rayn is more suspicious? What do you think of the SHiaopi/rayn interchange?
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EBWOP: So both policies are really bad...
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On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no!
I think you're making Koshi's policy bigger than it is. He proposes we only kill random mason kills not on towns consensus. And that's fine, as long as nobody random kills.
I want to use the mason-KP as a way of double lynch, and hopefully nobody fucks with that. Even if you are town and about to get lynched don't martyr-KP your mason, we can always do that later if he's suspicious. If you're about to get mason killed by the consensus of town and are town, think of it as a double lynch --- you're denying town information by denying your flip.
Anyway, I think scum have more motivation to mason kill if they are about to be killed in any way lynch or otherwise. If you're town and strike town with your mason kill martyr-KP then only shit can ensue imo.
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Actually I think Lazermonkey makes a fair point. As a townie, the best play is to kill your mason pair before he kills you... "agreeing" to die if you are townie is pretty damn stupid. And scum will just do the same.
Let's just leave the mason-kill as a vigi-shot and move on?
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On July 25 2013 03:19 Z-BosoN wrote:
Actually I think Lazermonkey makes a fair point. As a townie, the best play is to kill your mason pair before he kills you... "agreeing" to die if you are townie is pretty damn stupid. And scum will just do the same.
Let's just leave the mason-kill as a vigi-shot and move on?
I guess you're right. I just really don't want scum to use it as free KP. Oh and I think Rayn is scummier than Shaio because the VT claim is null.
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On July 25 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! I think you're making Koshi's policy bigger than it is. He proposes we only kill random mason kills not on towns consensus. And that's fine, as long as nobody random kills. I want to use the mason-KP as a way of double lynch, and hopefully nobody fucks with that. Even if you are town and about to get lynched don't martyr-KP your mason, we can always do that later if he's suspicious. If you're about to get mason killed by the consensus of town and are town, think of it as a double lynch --- you're denying town information by denying your flip. Anyway, I think scum have more motivation to mason kill if they are about to be killed in any way lynch or otherwise. If you're town and strike town with your mason kill martyr-KP then only shit can ensue imo.
Well this is wrong IMO. Unless I'm really sure that my partner is town (and to be realistic, this is D1 noone is going to be THAT certain) then the correct play is to kill your partner and hope that he flips scum. If not, bad luck but at least you've got yourself 72 extra hours to argue yourself out of the lynch.
But let's ignore that for the time being. Too much setup speculation and policy talk and too little scum hunting...
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Well only scum will mason kill if they are about to be lynched. That much is true because town can always do it later.
But yeah I guess the policy doesn't really work because people love vigging other people. Especially on dates.
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On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no!
No, in that case the best play for a town who is going to get mason viged is to talk his way out of it before the shot. If it is clear that using the vig unless authorized by town is treated as a scum claim than any town who shoots so he doesn't die is throwing the game and I don't think anyone in this is that dumb.
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On July 25 2013 03:22 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:19 Z-BosoN wrote:
Actually I think Lazermonkey makes a fair point. As a townie, the best play is to kill your mason pair before he kills you... "agreeing" to die if you are townie is pretty damn stupid. And scum will just do the same.
Let's just leave the mason-kill as a vigi-shot and move on? I guess you're right. I just really don't want scum to use it as free KP. Oh and I think Rayn is scummier than Shaio because the VT claim is null.
If scum use it as a KP that is literally the best case scenario for us(unless we were going to vig the scum and they shot before they get lynched). And even in that scenario we come out ahead/even (1 town, 1 scum die and scum losses a kp probably, 1nk) compared to (mislynch, 2nk).
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On July 25 2013 03:34 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! No, in that case the best play for a town who is going to get mason viged is to talk his way out of it before the shot. If it is clear that using the vig unless authorized by town is treated as a scum claim than any town who shoots so he doesn't die is throwing the game and I don't think anyone in this is that dumb. Its inplicit that you try to argue yourself out of the lynch. But if you are about to die you really shoul kill your partner. Even if we would introduce stupid policy about lynching anyone who doesn't kill scum with mason kill, then so what? It is a situation where you have nothing to lose. Either you hit town and you might die, which you would've done anyway this day. Or you hit scum and its party time.
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I want to talk about sylencia for a little bit.
Here he posts asking about anonymity, demonstrating an interest in discussing such aspects of the QT mechanic.
On July 24 2013 13:17 Sylencia wrote:
Firm, thoughts about anonymity in the qts?
However, later on, when there was some discussion about whether or not it is worth it to mass claim the mason partners, he blatantly tells us his own:
On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia. Explain thx. Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it)
This is very inconsistent, and in my experience is much more likely to come from scum.
Add to that the zero amount of scumhunting he has done. All his talk is related to game mechanics, which is very easy and comfortable for scum to talk in.
Thoughts?
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Can we just set the kill mechanic aside and label it as a vig shot? If you think about it, it's not a discussion that's going to be productive.
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On July 25 2013 02:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway I'd totally be game to lynch Mal until he explains better why he thought it was a good idea to try and get someone killed so early in the day. If this was an attempt at a play from a town to force discussion the obvious choice is to not actually PM the host and just say you did so he'd contribute before he died.
Something doesn't add up.
##vote: Malango And Malago's play is scum indicative because...? I agree his early play was WIERD. But why the actual fuck would he do stuff like that if he would be scum? It would be even wierder. And bolded part: how do you know this was not the case?
This is the only time you've ever scum hunted despite having several posts where you discuss policy/setup/defending random dudes/fluff. I'm not impressed at all.
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On July 25 2013 03:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
Can we just set the kill mechanic aside and label it as a vig shot? If you think about it, it's not a discussion that's going to be productive. THIS GUY
HE KNOWS HIS STUFF!
I'm not even kidding, we are really discussing unimportant matters at the moment.
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On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
I'm already hard-confirmed town just based on my meta.
Deal with it.
But I do want to make zboson dead too.
On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.
So you think it's only about the kenpachi?
eyo
When there is stuff, there is always stuff, you see. Some stuff is stuffier than other stuff but it's never alone. Unless it's not there, you see, but if it's not there it can't be alone either because it's not even there, you see.
Artanis is also scum.
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I can tell because of tells
And the monkeycarrots told me.
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Deadline is in ~12 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory!
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Or you don't want to be temp-banned again dandel
@Lazermonkey Fuck yea.
tell me more about sylencia
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Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting.
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On July 25 2013 03:43 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:34 Stutters695 wrote:On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! No, in that case the best play for a town who is going to get mason viged is to talk his way out of it before the shot. If it is clear that using the vig unless authorized by town is treated as a scum claim than any town who shoots so he doesn't die is throwing the game and I don't think anyone in this is that dumb. Its inplicit that you try to argue yourself out of the lynch. But if you are about to die you really shoul kill your partner. Even if we would introduce stupid policy about lynching anyone who doesn't kill scum with mason kill, then so what? It is a situation where you have nothing to lose. Either you hit town and you might die, which you would've done anyway this day. Or you hit scum and its party time.
Being irresponsible with a vig shot because "you have nothing to lose" is not a good play at all. If you don't let it happen and don't hit scum you're responsible for a mislynch+1 town death and wasted the entire day. We don't have to use the vig but shooting unless you're sure someone is scum is straight retarded if you are town.
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On July 25 2013 04:03 Ange777 wrote:
VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Deadline is in ~12 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory!
I voted a couple pages back. Was there something wrong with how I voted?
Thanks
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On July 25 2013 04:08 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:43 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 03:34 Stutters695 wrote:On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! No, in that case the best play for a town who is going to get mason viged is to talk his way out of it before the shot. If it is clear that using the vig unless authorized by town is treated as a scum claim than any town who shoots so he doesn't die is throwing the game and I don't think anyone in this is that dumb. Its inplicit that you try to argue yourself out of the lynch. But if you are about to die you really shoul kill your partner. Even if we would introduce stupid policy about lynching anyone who doesn't kill scum with mason kill, then so what? It is a situation where you have nothing to lose. Either you hit town and you might die, which you would've done anyway this day. Or you hit scum and its party time. Being irresponsible with a vig shot because "you have nothing to lose" is not a good play at all. If you don't let it happen and don't hit scum you're responsible for a mislynch+1 town death and wasted the entire day. We don't have to use the vig but shooting unless you're sure someone is scum is straight retarded if you are town. Like I said, I don't care about this anymore. Feel free to keep this opinion of your but keep in mind that this policy is useless unless everyone accepts it. And there are already alot of guys doing so. This really feels like post game discussion TBH. Its very likely that someone will use this power during the day anyway, no matter if you like it or not. Now, comment on something else.
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On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting.
I see. How would you compare his playstyle/activity in that game and in this one?
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On July 25 2013 04:12 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting. I see. How would you compare his playstyle/activity in that game and in this one? Don't know really. Maybe I'll look it up later. Here is the link anyway: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404818
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Isn't the deadline in 30 hours from now?
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On July 25 2013 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Isn't the deadline in 30 hours from now? Lolno. Its in like 33 hours.
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Last mod message said 12 hours.
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On July 25 2013 04:23 Koshi wrote:
Last mod message said 12 hours. Well, Ange is clearly noob.
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
Malongo (1): Stutters
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Deadline is in ~33 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory!
I love Ange to death but she can't count =P
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@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game?
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Stutters where are you from? What time zone are you in?
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raynpelikoneet
1) Hard defening the Kenpachi claim from ShiaoPi. To a point he Rayn votes #ShiaoPi
2) After backing off from ShiaoPi, Rayn thinks FirmTofy is scummy for the reason he was discussing with ShiaoPi. (Kenpachi rule)
3) Getting "killed" by Malongo but not finding it strange that a town player would kill somebody out of the blue. (No pressure from Rayn to Malongo)
4) Leaving the thread with pointing fingers at Sylencia, who I don't find suspicious at all. (Unless Sylencia is a vet and normally finds scum within 12 hours)
Malongo
Killing somebody out of the blue, but then backing off because it was rayn? What's that all about.
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@Artanis
On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
Can you elaborate your town read on Shiao?
Also, I don't think three votes can hardly be considered a "wagon". I don't like how you back off a bit on your "first suspect" because of a 3-man wagon with 33 hours left to deadline... also, it was Firm that firstly expressed distaste in the vt claim, not rayn:
On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:dude, why you claim?
Tell me more about rayne/tofu.
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On July 25 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
raynpelikoneet
1) Hard defening the Kenpachi claim from ShiaoPi. To a point he Rayn votes #ShiaoPi
2) After backing off from ShiaoPi, Rayn thinks FirmTofy is scummy for the reason he was discussing with ShiaoPi. (Kenpachi rule)
3) Getting "killed" by Malongo but not finding it strange that a town player would kill somebody out of the blue. (No pressure from Rayn to Malongo)
4) Leaving the thread with pointing fingers at Sylencia, who I don't find suspicious at all. (Unless Sylencia is a vet and normally finds scum within 12 hours)
Malongo
Killing somebody out of the blue, but then backing off because it was rayn? What's that all about.
lol, did you slip? Why did you call Malong a town player if you think he's scum?
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True. That is bad. But I am no scum.
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On July 25 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
raynpelikoneet
1) Hard defening the Kenpachi claim from ShiaoPi. To a point he Rayn votes #ShiaoPi
2) After backing off from ShiaoPi, Rayn thinks FirmTofy is scummy for the reason he was discussing with ShiaoPi. (Kenpachi rule)
3) Getting "killed" by Malongo but not finding it strange that a town player would kill somebody out of the blue. (No pressure from Rayn to Malongo)
4) Leaving the thread with pointing fingers at Sylencia, who I don't find suspicious at all. (Unless Sylencia is a vet and normally finds scum within 12 hours)
Malongo
Killing somebody out of the blue, but then backing off because it was rayn? What's that all about. I really don't see how any of these would be alignment indicative... Can you explain?
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EBWOP: Several of your points are straight up wrong as well. IIRC, Rayn didn't even say why he suspected Tofu.
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Let it be known that Ange can count and that TL's BBCode is slightly bugged. The deadline is in 32 hours and 58 minutes.
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I did say why i do suspect FirmTofu. Because of what Lazer said. Tofu followed my "suspicion" on ShiaoPi when earlier he didn't impress any suspicion on him. Also Sylencia is not doing shit. Only talking about setup, wanting to follow the guidelines the thread has set and then failing to do so. There is nothing but fluff / stating the obvious in his posts.
Also lol Koshi. None of your points hold water.
1) I have already explained this. If you are gonna call me out on this you need to call me a liar, because i did not suspect ShiaoPi because of what you are saying.
2) Wrong. I have explained before, and now why i think FirmTofu is scummy to me.
3) Of course i found it strange. That's why i posted the fucking log. There is his explanation that does not add up to me. But the thing that he retracted from the shot makes me think he is town atm. If you are gonna use the shot why not just say nothing and go with it?
4) So because you don't find Sylencia scummy i am scum. Right. Do you think Sylencia is town? Why?
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On July 25 2013 04:35 Lazermonkey wrote:
Stutters where are you from? What time zone are you in?
EST
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On July 25 2013 04:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Or you don't want to be temp-banned again dandel @Lazermonkey Fuck yea. tell me more about sylencia
?
wat
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On July 25 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
raynpelikoneet
1) Hard defening the Kenpachi claim from ShiaoPi. To a point he Rayn votes #ShiaoPi
2) After backing off from ShiaoPi, Rayn thinks FirmTofy is scummy for the reason he was discussing with ShiaoPi. (Kenpachi rule)
3) Getting "killed" by Malongo but not finding it strange that a town player would kill somebody out of the blue. (No pressure from Rayn to Malongo)
4) Leaving the thread with pointing fingers at Sylencia, who I don't find suspicious at all. (Unless Sylencia is a vet and normally finds scum within 12 hours)
Malongo
Killing somebody out of the blue, but then backing off because it was rayn? What's that all about.
I didn't know ShowPee claimed Kenpachi.
Can I claim Kenpachi?
I'm Kenpachi.
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lol Dandel. Are you actually town this time or fooling me again?
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On July 25 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Dandel. Are you actually town this time or fooling me again?
I'm town in ~60% of my games.
There's a very good chance that I am.
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I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
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ull notice the difference when u dont have to harddefend me (thx btw) because i wont even be up for lynch because im such an amazing work of art.
my beauty knows no limits.
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On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
/shrug
stutters gonna stutt
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On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
What differentiaties Stutters from Sylencia?
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Because to me Stutters looks way better than Sylencia.
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Stutters is less of a lynchbait afaik. He also avoided talking with me about scum hunting several times dispite me calling him out. Not only did he not talk about scum hunting, he kept going about policy talk.
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With that being said, I am also suspicious of Sylencia...
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On July 25 2013 04:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game?
I think Mal is the best lynch currently. Not really sure otherwise.
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On July 25 2013 05:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
Stutters is less of a lynchbait afaik. He also avoided talking with me about scum hunting several times dispite me calling him out. Not only did he not talk about scum hunting, he kept going about policy talk.
I'm always lynch bait lol.
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Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one.
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And I actually scumhunt pretty well as scum if Imay say so.
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On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. It doesn't. But tha's why I'm more confident in killing stutters than Sylencia. Stutters playing scummy would (if my theory about Sylencia being more of a lynch bait than stutters, that is) make him more likely to be scum than if Sylencia was playing scummy.
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Stutters, why are ignoring like all my points?
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So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters?
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On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one.
Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not?
Im at work so very little posts.
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On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters?
What points?
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On July 25 2013 05:51 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not? Im at work so very little posts.
I don't think it's a good idea. People who are gonna get vig-lynched are obviously gonna shoot their mason partner if they fear they are close to getting shot and that's not alignment indicative at all.
I especially did not like your post where you say "if you are town and getting vig-lynched you need to accept your death". That's ridiculous. If i was gonna get vig-lynched i was 100% gonna shoot my mason partner because i know i am town and i can't be 100% certain of them being town, so at least there is a possibility of shooting scum.
On July 25 2013 05:52 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? What points?
What?
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Sorry meant to quote Lazer.
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On July 25 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:51 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not? Im at work so very little posts. I don't think it's a good idea. People who are gonna get vig-lynched are obviously gonna shoot their mason partner if they fear they are close to getting shot and that's not alignment indicative at all. I especially did not like your post where you say "if you are town and getting vig-lynched you need to accept your death". That's ridiculous. If i was gonna get vig-lynched i was 100% gonna shoot my mason partner because i know i am town and i can't be 100% certain of them being town, so at least there is a possibility of shooting scum. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:52 Stutters695 wrote:On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? What points? What?
Well I never thought of that tbh. I figured double lynch would be awesome for us d2 :/ ppl wont cpomply tho eh which is true.
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Rainbows who is your top scumread atm?
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I dont think i want to kill stutters today esp cus im masoned with him.
If Dandel does jack shit all day ill policy lynch him because hes a wild card.
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Im fairly not caring day 1 so idk yet. I usually have decent reads but never push them...
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So what happened to your scumread on me?
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this:
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LOL keep dandel alive nvm idc if he scum
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On July 25 2013 06:20 Rainbows wrote:
LOL keep dandel alive nvm idc if he scum
i cant say the same about u tho
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Rayn I think you came off scummier than shaiopi in the exchamge. never saidbyou were scum. Ive only played scum with you, and i know we can be super active as scum. It puts me on edge about you but you're far from the best lynch today. Never lynch really active dudes d1
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On July 25 2013 06:13 Rainbows wrote:
Im fairly not caring day 1 so idk yet. I usually have decent reads but never push them...
decent reads?
lets see
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On July 25 2013 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows who is your top scumread atm?
On July 25 2013 06:09 Rainbows wrote:
I dont think i want to kill stutters today esp cus im masoned with him.
If Dandel does jack shit all day ill policy lynch him because hes a wild card.
actually no reads!
gwobyo
On July 25 2013 06:13 Rainbows wrote:
Im fairly not caring day 1 so idk yet. I usually have decent reads but never push them...
Already setting up for not doing anything
This is a case.
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Hi guys, I'm back. Reading thread now brb.
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On July 25 2013 06:21 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:20 Rainbows wrote:
LOL keep dandel alive nvm idc if he scum i cant say the same about u tho
But im sexy.
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On July 25 2013 06:26 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:21 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 25 2013 06:20 Rainbows wrote:
LOL keep dandel alive nvm idc if he scum i cant say the same about u tho But im sexy.
I can't attest to that and that has no effect on ur alignment anyways
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Last game i wanted to kill scum all day but i never pushed it. Unfortunately nobodybis obv this game yet
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On July 25 2013 06:27 Rainbows wrote:
Last game i wanted to kill scum all day but i never pushed it. Unfortunately nobodybis obv this game yet
so you're neither finding scum nor pushing anything, yes?
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^just so we're clear on that
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Rainbows what do you think of Koshi?
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Thats correct. I have minor reads but nothing significant.
As scum i just tunnel 1-2 dudes all day.
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Koshi looks town imo, but bad points were bad.
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On July 25 2013 06:30 Rainbows wrote:
And yes im scum
EZ
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Dandel you said somewhere artanis was scum. Any follow up to that?
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On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? That and that the fact that he is was actively ignoring any form of scum hunting.
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Stutters, you are yet to exlplain your read on Malongo. Its really bad I'd say.
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Rainbows:
When i asked for your scumreads why did you feel the need to say "i don't think i want to lynch Stutters"?
Lazer:
I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not?
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Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are?
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I have no idea what this Kenpachi rule is but it is clearly a terrible way to find scum because I am town.
I'm going to explain exactly why I didn't like ShiaoPi's VT claim. You can decide whether my reasoning is scummy but don't give me this bullshit "Kenpachi rule" to justify your suspicions.
Why Claiming VT As Town Is Bad
Alright, so we are assuming the claimer is town. Great. Why is this bad play? Let me explain.
There are two situations possible if you are town.
You are either:
1) Blue claiming VT
2) VT claiming VT
1-> I think we can all agree that blue claiming VT is a terrible idea. It introduces unnecessary confusion in the town and serves no purpose.
2-> This is a little more debatable. Let's assume for a second that claiming VT as VT is a good play. If it was good, then everyone should agree that all VTs should claim VT, right?
Okay, let's play out what happens when all VT's claim VT.
Assuming some sort of balance with 6VT, 3Blue, 3Scum... we will have 6 VT claiming VT. However, this forces scum into a decision point. Do they claim VT or remain unclaimed?
If they choose to remain unclaimed, they would be associating themselves with the 3 blues. If they claim VT, they would be associating themselves with the VTs. Town would be subject to a mass roleclaim and it would be impossible to discern alignments because scum could have just as easily fakeclaimed into either grouping.
Town learns absolutely nothing and scum would easily be able to pick out the blues one by one while hiding in a sea of VTs barring fake roleclaims from town.
If you agree with this scenario, you must agree that claiming VT as VT is not good town play.
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On July 25 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway I'd totally be game to lynch Mal until he explains better why he thought it was a good idea to try and get someone killed so early in the day. If this was an attempt at a play from a town to force discussion the obvious choice is to not actually PM the host and just say you did so he'd contribute before he died.
Something doesn't add up.
##vote: Malango And Malago's play is scum indicative because...? I agree his early play was WIERD. But why the actual fuck would he do stuff like that if he would be scum? It would be even wierder. And bolded part: how do you know this was not the case? This is the only time you've ever scum hunted despite having several posts where you discuss policy/setup/defending random dudes/fluff. I'm not impressed at all.
I'm assuming this is what you say I'm ignoring.
The bolded part: If true then he lied about sending a PM to kill someone then sending another to cancel it. This isn't likely at all from either perspective as it creates a lie that is easily verifiable and would cause his lynch/mislynch over nothing.
Thus I assume he actually did send the PM. Why would he send that PM as either alignment?
Town: He's taking a shot on the 3/11 probability of hitting scum. Unlikely without some other plan. It certainly wasn't to pressure a lurker since the game had been only going for a couple hours.
Scum: He thinks it's a good idea to take the free KP before town uses it. Sends in the PM and tells his scum buddies. They flip their shit since their KP probably drops to 1 at 2 scum and we'd lynch him for a clearly retarded shot and they would actually lose KP so he reneged on his shot.
I don't see any town explanation that comes even close to the scum one so I think he's scum unless he has a damn good reason for it
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FT why di you not say this in the first place?
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On July 25 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:SNIP
Lazer:
I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not? I was about to write some stuff but realized my argument was really bad. You are correct in that they are both ignoring scum hunting. Still, I would be more comfortable with killing Stutters.
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On July 25 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FT why di you not say this in the first place?
Why would I need to say it? I thought it was common knowledge that claiming VT is a terrible idea. In bluelightz, everyone agreed that TG claiming VT was scummy. It should be considered scummy here as well.
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Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum?
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On July 25 2013 06:47 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway I'd totally be game to lynch Mal until he explains better why he thought it was a good idea to try and get someone killed so early in the day. If this was an attempt at a play from a town to force discussion the obvious choice is to not actually PM the host and just say you did so he'd contribute before he died.
Something doesn't add up.
##vote: Malango And Malago's play is scum indicative because...? I agree his early play was WIERD. But why the actual fuck would he do stuff like that if he would be scum? It would be even wierder. And bolded part: how do you know this was not the case? This is the only time you've ever scum hunted despite having several posts where you discuss policy/setup/defending random dudes/fluff. I'm not impressed at all. I'm assuming this is what you say I'm ignoring. The bolded part: If true then he lied about sending a PM to kill someone then sending another to cancel it. This isn't likely at all from either perspective as it creates a lie that is easily verifiable and would cause his lynch/mislynch over nothing. Thus I assume he actually did send the PM. Why would he send that PM as either alignment? Town: He's taking a shot on the 3/11 probability of hitting scum. Unlikely without some other plan. It certainly wasn't to pressure a lurker since the game had been only going for a couple hours. Scum: He thinks it's a good idea to take the free KP before town uses it. Sends in the PM and tells his scum buddies. They flip their shit since their KP probably drops to 1 at 2 scum and we'd lynch him for a clearly retarded shot and they would actually lose KP so he reneged on his shot. I don't see any town explanation that comes even close to the scum one so I think he's scum unless he has a damn good reason for it Yhea, I can come up with a 2 really good reasons.
1. It forces Rayn in a wierd spot. If he was to be scum he might panic and actually belive he will get shot. In that case he might stop posting completely (something rayn did not do) to avoid giving unnecesary information to town.
2. It creates discussion at a point where too much effort was spent on pointless policy discussions.
Also, regarding the PM thing. Sure it would create a lie that we could verify but why the fuck should we lynch him for that? He could at any time claim that he lied and there would be no big deal about it. Also, you say that from an optimal pov town shouldn't do this, and even if assume that that IS the optimal play, there is nothing that would guarantee that he would do that. Town are, in my experience, much more inclined to do random "dumb" stuff like this without thinking it through 100% because they aren't so afraid of getting lynched as scum are.
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Tofu you are correct in that claiming VT is bad. But he didn't really CLAIM VT. And that type of theory crafting is only really relevant when you know what roles there are in the and how many of them there are. Everyone in this game could be VT except for scum. We don't know because the setup is closed.
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On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are?
Shooting an unknown is pretty strange for town to do. Canceling your shot because you found out you shot Rayn is strange as well. Who did Malongo think he was shooting? Would Malongo have not canceled if it was somebody else?
Malongo should explain his action when he comes back.
For a brief second I thought Rayn and Malongo were both scum. I looked into rayn and made a "case". It was terrible and that's that.
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On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum?
No. If I had to guess his role, it would be VT. He's just stupid to accuse me based on how I responded.
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On July 25 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote:
Tofu you are correct in that claiming VT is bad. But he didn't really CLAIM VT. And that type of theory crafting is only really relevant when you know what roles there are in the and how many of them there are. Everyone in this game could be VT except for scum. We don't know because the setup is closed.
On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw
On July 24 2013 19:44 ShiaoPi wrote:So I am back home. Reasons for claiming vt: First off it's true lol, more importantly however I wanted to get some juicy reactions and I got some noteworthy already. the thing is the claim itself is entirely not indicative of alignment and in my opinion town should just take a note on it and move on. Sure you can't prove anything at this stage, but does it matter? You should be scumhunting not harping around a non-alignment indicative behavior. So let me summarize some reactions to it. Z-boson is doing the right thing, just noting it and moving on as seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... FirmTofu and rayn however strike me as incredibly scummy right now. Lazer already pointed out the thing that stands out about FirmTofu's behavior, so no need for me to elaborate on him. On Rayn however: Do you see the blatant contradiction? His first reaction is just a wtf, which is okayish to me, but a bit on the scummy side. Then he says that it is "pointless" and either "stupid or scum". Saying that there is no reason for me to do it: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. As Z boson points out however that it is simply not alignment indicative rayn goes to this position: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? So let me summarize: -WTF --> Stupid or Scum --> He has a plan!!!! I don't apprehend how you can go through these stages based on logic. It is much more likely he tried to paint me in a bad manner, then saw that it did not quite work out and reverted course. I mean in the beginning he does not even entertain the notion of my claim being part of a plan, he just says stupid/scum. Anyway since he apparently got killed already not much more to say about him. ##Vote: FirmTofu
See bold. It's relevant.
Are you seriously telling me that ShiaoPi is lying? Are you saying SP lying is more likely than not lying? Why the fuck do you think I'm the best lynch target if you think SP is lying?
LM is one scummy SOB.
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A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
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On July 25 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows:
When i asked for your scumreads why did you feel the need to say "i don't think i want to lynch Stutters"?
Lazer:
I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not? That wasnt in response to you. It was just a comment.
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You don't make any sense what so ever dude. Please reread what I said a couple of times and think a little.
Yes, why couldn't he be lying? Give me one reason. Why cannot prove him false anyway. His claim means jack shit. And why are you ignoring the fact that this is a fucking closed setup? There could be 9 VT claiming and for all we know it could actually be correct because we don't know what setup this is.
Also, lynch all liars is a terrible policy. lying about being VT in this setup isn't alignment indicative at all. It doesn't hurt town or help scum. Its 100% null.
I don't think you are the best lynch atm, read the thread better please.
And lastly, HOW DID THIS MAKE ME SCUMMY?
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On July 25 2013 07:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't make any sense what so ever dude. Please reread what I said a couple of times and think a little.
Yes, why couldn't he be lying? Give me one reason. Why cannot prove him false anyway. His claim means jack shit. And why are you ignoring the fact that this is a fucking closed setup? There could be 9 VT claiming and for all we know it could actually be correct because we don't know what setup this is.
Also, lynch all liars is a terrible policy. lying about being VT in this setup isn't alignment indicative at all. It doesn't hurt town or help scum. Its 100% null.
I don't think you are the best lynch atm, read the thread better please.
And lastly, HOW DID THIS MAKE ME SCUMMY?
I know you don't think I'm the best lynch anymore, but at one point, you did.
Of course he can be lying. It is a possibility. My point is, why did you feel the need to specifically point it out and then proceed to buddy him for a lynch of me?
If SP's claim is truly null to you, why did you act as if he was town and I was scum? Your behavior doesn't make any sense.
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@Lazer
1) it doesn't affect Rayn at all IMO. If he's scum he has to assume he'll live since otherwise he has to explain why he checked out when he wasn't dead. If he's town it makes no difference.
2) It did not really create content. He didn't even tell us it happened. That clearly isn't with the intent of discussion if he never discussed it.
There is a difference between sub-optimal play and play that has no value to town.
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On July 25 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't make any sense what so ever dude. Please reread what I said a couple of times and think a little.
Yes, why couldn't he be lying? Give me one reason. Why cannot prove him false anyway. His claim means jack shit. And why are you ignoring the fact that this is a fucking closed setup? There could be 9 VT claiming and for all we know it could actually be correct because we don't know what setup this is.
Also, lynch all liars is a terrible policy. lying about being VT in this setup isn't alignment indicative at all. It doesn't hurt town or help scum. Its 100% null.
I don't think you are the best lynch atm, read the thread better please.
And lastly, HOW DID THIS MAKE ME SCUMMY? I know you don't think I'm the best lynch anymore, but at one point, you did. Of course he can be lying. It is a possibility. My point is, why did you feel the need to specifically point it out and then proceed to buddy him for a lynch of me? If SP's claim is truly null to you, why did you act as if he was town and I was scum? Your behavior doesn't make any sense. That wasn't really your point at all. And you got it all backwards. I was the first to suspect you but not because of the kenpachi thing but because of your wierd take on ShiaoPi's claim. ShiaoPi was the one to agree with my suspicions on you. At this point I didn't think Shiao was town, just null. It was first later on when during his interactions with Rayn when I thought he was town, I still do. I don't see how this doesn't make any sense.
Also, why am I scummy?
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On July 25 2013 07:36 Stutters695 wrote:
@Lazer
1) it doesn't affect Rayn at all IMO. If he's scum he has to assume he'll live since otherwise he has to explain why he checked out when he wasn't dead. If he's town it makes no difference.
2) It did not really create content. He didn't even tell us it happened. That clearly isn't with the intent of discussion if he never discussed it.
There is a difference between sub-optimal play and play that has no value to town.
1. Yes, but this is once again assuming perfect play. With perfect scum play it would be impossible to ever lynch scum. The reason we can do so IS because scum makes mistakes. And being put in a trap, especially when you can be under stress could definitly cause mistakes.
2. There is a diference between "it didn't create content" and "it was susposed to create content".
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On July 25 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote:On July 25 2013 07:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't make any sense what so ever dude. Please reread what I said a couple of times and think a little.
Yes, why couldn't he be lying? Give me one reason. Why cannot prove him false anyway. His claim means jack shit. And why are you ignoring the fact that this is a fucking closed setup? There could be 9 VT claiming and for all we know it could actually be correct because we don't know what setup this is.
Also, lynch all liars is a terrible policy. lying about being VT in this setup isn't alignment indicative at all. It doesn't hurt town or help scum. Its 100% null.
I don't think you are the best lynch atm, read the thread better please.
And lastly, HOW DID THIS MAKE ME SCUMMY? I know you don't think I'm the best lynch anymore, but at one point, you did. Of course he can be lying. It is a possibility. My point is, why did you feel the need to specifically point it out and then proceed to buddy him for a lynch of me? If SP's claim is truly null to you, why did you act as if he was town and I was scum? Your behavior doesn't make any sense. That wasn't really your point at all. And you got it all backwards. I was the first to suspect you but not because of the kenpachi thing but because of your wierd take on ShiaoPi's claim. ShiaoPi was the one to agree with my suspicions on you. At this point I didn't think Shiao was town, just null. It was first later on when during his interactions with Rayn when I thought he was town, I still do. I don't see how this doesn't make any sense. Also, why am I scummy?
I don't care to argue with you about this quite just yet. I want to hear from rayn/Artanis/SP first and I will decide whether I I need to take a second look at you.
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He made no effort to create content. If he had attempted to create content (I.e. hey guys I shot my mason buddy since he wasn't here or something along those lines) I'd make note of that. But he didn't, he attempted to shoot someone without consulting anyone or even knowing who it was. That isn't a discussion generator.
To "trap" a scum you need to provide a scenario that changes someone's answers from null to a more binary scum/not scum. He has failed to show in any way how his actions have resulted in a read.
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On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out.
I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings.
Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now.
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Another thing i don't like:
On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
This has been on the table many times and this is completely false. Why are you not reading the thread? I don't know what other people are accusing you of but i am not accusing you of thinking ShiaoPi's claim was whatever. I am accusing you of the way you did approach the whole situation (calling the claim fishy only after you saw someone you thought thought ShiaoPi was scummy).
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Well I'm back home and this thread is still dead. Am I the only one who thinks Malongo is scum?
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I am going to bed. If you need anything in the next 12 hours, pm both myself and Ange.
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Hey guys we should lynch Artanis today. He looks blendy as fuck today and seems to be going along with thread sentiment as it appears. He hasn't done much of use.
On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie.
He says he's good with both lynches due to Kenpachi. Fine, but where's the support? He has not pressured either of his so-called scumreads this game. Most of his 1-page filter is trolling with Dandel. Aside from that, he gives a few questions...
On July 25 2013 01:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:53 Stutters695 wrote:
I fell for the Kenpachi rule like 5 times. How do you fall for that five times? What?
On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum?
The first is meh. The second is a valid question but I haven't seen any follow up on it. It's like he doesn't even care.
This is Artanis' most significant post of this game:
On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
Artanis defends Shaio as town (fine). The bolded is absolute waffle-mode engaged. "I don't think they're both scum, probably at least one. Firm is my top suspect, but not really because a wagon formed very quickly"
I have no idea who Artanis suspects the most here. He says Rayn and Firm are scum because Kenpachi... But only one is probably scum. Firm is most suspicious but he doesn't like how quickly the wagon formed (supposedly town?).
So far the only thing Artanis has done this game is call Shaio probably town and finger point at Rayn and Firm cus Kenpachi. This dude needs to step it up yo.
Vote: Artanis
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EBWOP: ##Vote: Artanis[Xp]
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On July 25 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are? Shooting an unknown is pretty strange for town to do. Canceling your shot because you found out you shot Rayn is strange as well. Who did Malongo think he was shooting? Would Malongo have not canceled if it was somebody else? Malongo should explain his action when he comes back. For a brief second I thought Rayn and Malongo were both scum. I looked into rayn and made a "case". It was terrible and that's that.
I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too.
On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now.
What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place.
##Koshi
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (2): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
Malongo (1): Stutters695
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (1): Lazermonkey
Artanis[Xp] (1): Rainbows
Koshi (1): Malongo
Deadline is in ~17,5 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon.
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On July 25 2013 16:28 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are? Shooting an unknown is pretty strange for town to do. Canceling your shot because you found out you shot Rayn is strange as well. Who did Malongo think he was shooting? Would Malongo have not canceled if it was somebody else? Malongo should explain his action when he comes back. For a brief second I thought Rayn and Malongo were both scum. I looked into rayn and made a "case". It was terrible and that's that. I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now. What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place. ##Koshi
Yo I can't be girl, but if you're in Austria, I can be Dandel Ion, supplier of beers.
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I don't really Koishi, but I Artanis.
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Vista]
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Wow, u murricans are sooo lazy Lol. EU representing!
Some quick thoughts
Guys I'm having town reads on:
Rayn
ShaioPi
Z-Boson
Have all put in a resonable amount of effort and their logic seems okay in most cases, I wouldn't want to lynch any of these guys today
Guys that are neutral:
Dandel
Artanis (though mostly because i haven't read him)
Rainbows (while his post about policy was bad, I think his play in general has been decent)
Guys that makes my brain hurt:
Malongo
koshi
Both these guys have the wierdest logic, haven't pushed their scum reads etc. I just don't know what to think really... In one hand I do think their play is bad and maybe even scummy. At the same time, I get a feeling that they are both quite inexperienced (have someone played with these before? am I correct about this?) and they are both getting alot of attention to themself, which I generally don't see scum do.
Guys I'm okay with lynching:
Stutters
Sylencia
FirmTofu
In order of preferance, read my filter for why I want to kill them...
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As per usual of my walls, I add on as I read etc
On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:59 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that is a retarded policy Why? Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no!
Man, how are people agreeing with this post, when it looks like a giant setup for a town misfire into a mislynch on a different person.
Normal Scenario:
Scum targets partner for lynch, a wagon starts.
Getting closer to the deadline, the partner decides to shoot since his mason partner turned on him, but before that happens scum shoots the partner.
Miskill happens.
After that, what happens? Town is in disarray as we would then only have a couple of hours to regain any sort of co-ordination, people aren't around for deadlines, and scum are in a powerful position to take control and choose the next lynch target. This results in 2 mislynches and destroys the town.
Following from that, his 2nd point can be interpreted as a way to protect a scummate after the shot by saying "Don't shoot the shooter" before it happens, so that there's limited ways for us to really justify shooting. I don't buy this.
On July 25 2013 03:44 Z-BosoN wrote:I want to talk about sylencia for a little bit. Here he posts asking about anonymity, demonstrating an interest in discussing such aspects of the QT mechanic. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 13:17 Sylencia wrote:
Firm, thoughts about anonymity in the qts? However, later on, when there was some discussion about whether or not it is worth it to mass claim the mason partners, he blatantly tells us his own: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia. Explain thx. Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it) This is very inconsistent, and in my experience is much more likely to come from scum. Add to that the zero amount of scumhunting he has done. All his talk is related to game mechanics, which is very easy and comfortable for scum to talk in. Thoughts?
I already explained why I asked that question, did you not read?
That said,
Rayn: I asked you why you found me suspicious, and you've tiptoed around the question or explaining anything about why you find me to be scum.
On July 25 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because to me Stutters looks way better than Sylencia.
On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia.
Trying to get others to start a wagon for you?
On July 25 2013 05:30 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
Stutters is less of a lynchbait afaik. He also avoided talking with me about scum hunting several times dispite me calling him out. Not only did he not talk about scum hunting, he kept going about policy talk. I'm always lynch bait lol.
So am I, the threat of being killed off everyday really gives me an adrenaline rush.
Dandel is playing like Blazing did in the first I Swear, so I'm not sure if he's trying to replicate his 'success' with it but it's still aggravating -_-
On July 25 2013 06:40 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? That and that the fact that he is was actively ignoring any form of scum hunting.
D1 Scum hunting is a skill I've yet to acquire, still too noob, still think your post above is suspicious though.
On July 25 2013 06:47 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 25 2013 02:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway I'd totally be game to lynch Mal until he explains better why he thought it was a good idea to try and get someone killed so early in the day. If this was an attempt at a play from a town to force discussion the obvious choice is to not actually PM the host and just say you did so he'd contribute before he died.
Something doesn't add up.
##vote: Malango And Malago's play is scum indicative because...? I agree his early play was WIERD. But why the actual fuck would he do stuff like that if he would be scum? It would be even wierder. And bolded part: how do you know this was not the case? This is the only time you've ever scum hunted despite having several posts where you discuss policy/setup/defending random dudes/fluff. I'm not impressed at all. I'm assuming this is what you say I'm ignoring. The bolded part: If true then he lied about sending a PM to kill someone then sending another to cancel it. This isn't likely at all from either perspective as it creates a lie that is easily verifiable and would cause his lynch/mislynch over nothing. Thus I assume he actually did send the PM. Why would he send that PM as either alignment? Town: He's taking a shot on the 3/11 probability of hitting scum. Unlikely without some other plan. It certainly wasn't to pressure a lurker since the game had been only going for a couple hours. Scum: He thinks it's a good idea to take the free KP before town uses it. Sends in the PM and tells his scum buddies. They flip their shit since their KP probably drops to 1 at 2 scum and we'd lynch him for a clearly retarded shot and they would actually lose KP so he reneged on his shot. I don't see any town explanation that comes even close to the scum one so I think he's scum unless he has a damn good reason for it
1) Killing someone isn't pressure.
2) 2KP @ 12 players (assuming 9-3 + free vig shot) is pretty strongly favoured to scum, since they can sit at 5-3 after 1 day..
My thoughts if he was scum was that he said he'd play it off as a bad townie/trigger happy play but then his scum buddies convinced him it was suicide to go down that route. But that's still all speculation (checking his filter, that reasoning pretty much would've fit this route)
Anyways, for now ##Vote: Lazer
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Hmm, Artanis is interesting. The only guys he ever took a stance on were Rayn and Tofu. But he doesn't push them at all nor does he seem to be very confident in his reads (Rainbows had a post explaining this, won't go in detail). He also has a few troll posts which I will ignore. But what really caught my eyes is how many times he is interacting with players, dissmissing their arguments yet not taking a stance on them...
On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now. All these times he clearly disagrees with said player, yet he is very reluctant to be taking an actual stance on the player. If he would think that these players are town, then I don't really see any problem with these posts because then he could be leading the thread in the right direction. But he doesn't have a town read on them, at least not that we know of.
I'm a bit torn on Artanis right now. He looks somewhat bad though I don't think I want to lynch him.
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Sylencia, you are basically voting my based upon a single post, correct? And the reason you do this is because you agree with my logic, correct? I don't feel like explaining why I am right and you are wrong for the seventh time. If you really are town, check my filter and you will understand that I have already answered your questions and suspicions. But disregarding that, how does me disagreeing with you make me scum? You don't explain this at all.
Also, there are alot of guys agreeing with my logic here which you even point out yourself. Why is it that I am scummy but not them? Do you seriously think scum would be the one to start the "suicidal and very stupid plan" and that a bunch of townies just sheeped it. Because I would actually argue its the other way around. Scum are very afraid of saying stuff that could cause them to look bad, like a "suicidal and very stupid plan", however if a plan like that is started by a townie then they could very well be sheeping that.
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To Malongo and Dandel, could you maybe explain your votes? I looked through your filters but I seriousl don't understand you guys voted who you voted...
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##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad.
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Also we need more content here. The only person who looks town to me atm is Lazer. Everyone else is either useless or scummy or both. Please post more. Especially i would like Artanis & Dandel to actually give us some analysis instead of jerking off with each other...
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^ hey this works both @rayn and @lazer
neato
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I'm pretty sure you haven't.
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Sure I have.
Artanis wants to make both monkeys dead even though only one can have actually eaten the carrot.
He doesn't even try to find out which ate the carrot.
That is because Artanis is a carrot farmer at night and can throw carrots at people.
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that is abundantly clear from my filter.
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On July 25 2013 13:47 Rainbows wrote:
Hey guys we should lynch Artanis today. He looks blendy as fuck today and seems to be going along with thread sentiment as it appears. He hasn't done much of use.
I think that's a terrible idea.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie. He says he's good with both lynches due to Kenpachi. Fine, but where's the support? He has not pressured either of his so-called scumreads this game. Most of his 1-page filter is trolling with Dandel. Aside from that, he gives a few questions...
Not true, the last post you quoted me in had some pressure in it.
Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 25 2013 00:53 Stutters695 wrote:
I fell for the Kenpachi rule like 5 times. How do you fall for that five times? What? Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum? The first is meh. The second is a valid question but I haven't seen any follow up on it. It's like he doesn't even care.
The first was just my unbelief at falling for the same trick twice. The second would have a follow up if he answered yes, but he answered no so I didn't pursue it. I checked to see his original post but he didn't strongly call Shiao scum for it, just noted that it was odd so I let it go.
This is Artanis' most significant post of this game: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Artanis defends Shaio as town (fine). The bolded is absolute waffle-mode engaged. "I don't think they're both scum, probably at least one. Firm is my top suspect, but not really because a wagon formed very quickly"
Not at least one, probably one. And yes, when three people vote for one person this early in the game I suspect something to be off.
I have no idea who Artanis suspects the most here. He says Rayn and Firm are scum because Kenpachi... But only one is probably scum. Firm is most suspicious but he doesn't like how quickly the wagon formed (supposedly town?).
I dunno who I strongly suspect right now either. I'm gonna give Rayn another look since I like Firm right now though that might just be because he has posted a lot and I cba to read through it properly.
So far the only thing Artanis has done this game is call Shaio probably town and finger point at Rayn and Firm cus Kenpachi. This dude needs to step it up yo.
Vote: Artanis
That's not true, I called Dandel probably town too even though he's being mean to me.
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Also I should probably look at Sylencia too but he's my mason buddy and our qt is so comfy that I don't want to start arguments
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Okay looks like Rayn is still alive and malango's shot was either fake or the recall was accepted.
Not sure what to make of that right now.
@Zboson:
Rayn is still scummy to a certain degree, I initially thought him more scummier than tofu, but thought he would be dead already so I voted FT. Now I am of the opinion that a FT lynch is actually pretty good.
Let's examine FT a little further, especially the posts he did when he came back.
First off the defense in regards to his reaction to the VT claim:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 06:45 FirmTofu wrote:
I have no idea what this Kenpachi rule is but it is clearly a terrible way to find scum because I am town.
I'm going to explain exactly why I didn't like ShiaoPi's VT claim. You can decide whether my reasoning is scummy but don't give me this bullshit "Kenpachi rule" to justify your suspicions.
Why Claiming VT As Town Is Bad
Alright, so we are assuming the claimer is town. Great. Why is this bad play? Let me explain.
There are two situations possible if you are town.
You are either:
1) Blue claiming VT
2) VT claiming VT
1-> I think we can all agree that blue claiming VT is a terrible idea. It introduces unnecessary confusion in the town and serves no purpose.
2-> This is a little more debatable. Let's assume for a second that claiming VT as VT is a good play. If it was good, then everyone should agree that all VTs should claim VT, right?
Okay, let's play out what happens when all VT's claim VT.
Assuming some sort of balance with 6VT, 3Blue, 3Scum... we will have 6 VT claiming VT. However, this forces scum into a decision point. Do they claim VT or remain unclaimed?
If they choose to remain unclaimed, they would be associating themselves with the 3 blues. If they claim VT, they would be associating themselves with the VTs. Town would be subject to a mass roleclaim and it would be impossible to discern alignments because scum could have just as easily fakeclaimed into either grouping.
Town learns absolutely nothing and scum would easily be able to pick out the blues one by one while hiding in a sea of VTs barring fake roleclaims from town.
If you agree with this scenario, you must agree that claiming VT as VT is not good town play.
I really disagree with a lot of those points. First off it is mainly arguing from setup speculation. He does not say anything about the fact that a vt claim like I did is pretty much a throwaway thing and null.
Now in regards to his scumhunting post: On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
1) explained it above already
2) It is rather obvious that Lazer thinks FT scummy so it is logical that Lazer is going after a scumleaning read instead of a null one??
3) Rayn is a scummy guy, we can agree on that.
4)This is something FT himself is guilty off, when you go through his posts later. He is pressuring but votes nobody.
5) I am not really a great fan of meta but this pretty much says that dandel is town.
That is his entire contribution for day 1 until now. Not very impressive, and these 5 points are all he got out from this thread?
Especially the point on Artanis really rubs me in a bad way. FT is scum, go kill him!
Somebody else who really got my attention was Rainbows.
He completely derails the thread with his policytalk (together with Koshi). My point on the proposed doublelynch is that it is not feasibly since you cannot assume that everyone will cooperate, so basically it is just a huge waste of time and might be a good thing for scum to appear contributing, while not actually doing so. Also the exchange he had with Dandel regarding his reads struck me as terribly scummy.....
Finally his case on artanis is weird. It feels forced and is not really convincing (at least to me). WHile it is true that artanis has not been one of the more vocal persons in thread I don't see anything lynchworthy right now. What is also interesting is that he has not commented on rayn or FT besides a I dont like the FT wagon.
Let me summarize a bit:
For day 1 I am interested in lynching into one of these: FT, Rainbows, Rayn. Would be most happy with a FT lynch.
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On July 25 2013 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sylencia, you are basically voting my based upon a single post, correct? And the reason you do this is because you agree with my logic, correct? I don't feel like explaining why I am right and you are wrong for the seventh time. If you really are town, check my filter and you will understand that I have already answered your questions and suspicions. But disregarding that, how does me disagreeing with you make me scum? You don't explain this at all.
Also, there are alot of guys agreeing with my logic here which you even point out yourself. Why is it that I am scummy but not them? Do you seriously think scum would be the one to start the "suicidal and very stupid plan" and that a bunch of townies just sheeped it. Because I would actually argue its the other way around. Scum are very afraid of saying stuff that could cause them to look bad, like a "suicidal and very stupid plan", however if a plan like that is started by a townie then they could very well be sheeping that.
I've already read it, and I explained how the post is literally setup to help scum. The reason why people agree is because it sounds sensible. Someone's about to die, and so they'll take the shot because they think their partner is scum. Sounds great in theory, but if you think about how it's done in practice it's a crappy idea.
Also, plans aren't about how suicidal they are, it's about how well you can sell the idea. It's the same with pushing for a lynch - if you're convincing enough you'll push the wagon all the way and everyone will hop on. In any case, completely brushing off the possibility that one team can perform an action because it's high risk is silly, I prefer to keep an open mind about things.
On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad.
Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game.
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad. Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game.
quote ftw
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I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
##Unvote
##Vote FirmTofu
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I've just gone through everyone's filters. I don't really like Artanis for trying to appear pseudo-useful but I don't think I can make a strong case against him. Lazer's logic is iffy to me but ultimately, I have to admit that his actions could have come from a town perspective as well. I'm null on rayn as well.
I'm currently don't like Sylencia very much.
On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia. Explain thx. Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it)
Bolded relevant.
On July 24 2013 23:57 Sylencia wrote:
Oh wait, we weren't supposed to reveal? I thought the opposite was better - what am I missing =|
On July 25 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. Oh, I was under the assumption that the last point was kinda being followed. I also thought the reasoning was horrible to start, but I now completely understand that blue death will cause those linked to them to be targetted fast in the case information was given out.
I find the last quote very scummy. Sylencia admits the reasoning is horrible but was under the impression that she should be following it? If she thought the reasoning was bad, she should have been questioning me and calling me out on it. That's what I would expect town to do. Scum, on the other hand, would sit back and wait for a town consensus. He also did exactly what I said we shouldn't be doing, so there's that.
I still don't have very strong scumreads and it is becoming frustrating. I'm going to run through the filters again and pick someone. I would like to hear from Sylencia first.
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On July 26 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
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##Vote FirmTofu
We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon.
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FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e.
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@koshi:
what makes FT so town that you are willing to just sheep his vote? what happened to your own scumreads?
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On July 26 2013 01:03 Koshi wrote:
FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e.
Sheeping me is the last thing I would want you to do if you were town. Start scumhunting. Find your biggest scumread and vote for him. If it's Artanis you should be voting for him right now.
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On July 25 2013 16:28 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are? Shooting an unknown is pretty strange for town to do. Canceling your shot because you found out you shot Rayn is strange as well. Who did Malongo think he was shooting? Would Malongo have not canceled if it was somebody else? Malongo should explain his action when he comes back. For a brief second I thought Rayn and Malongo were both scum. I looked into rayn and made a "case". It was terrible and that's that. I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now. What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place. ##Koshi
Seriously, no one wants to lynch him after this post?
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On July 25 2013 16:28 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.
Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are? Shooting an unknown is pretty strange for town to do. Canceling your shot because you found out you shot Rayn is strange as well. Who did Malongo think he was shooting? Would Malongo have not canceled if it was somebody else? Malongo should explain his action when he comes back. For a brief second I thought Rayn and Malongo were both scum. I looked into rayn and made a "case". It was terrible and that's that. I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now. What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place. ##Koshi
This is one of the worst posts ever.
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LOL ninja'd by my mason buddy
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On Malongo I am really unsure.
True that post is terribad, but the entire thing with the shot is iffy. If he was faking it, it was actually some good play, but dunno. I am more comfortable with the 3 I mentioned earlier
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ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that.
Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo
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On July 26 2013 01:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that.
Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo
I mentioned this early to my QT with Stutters. But Malongo afterwards seems so scumzorz =|. I'm kind of torn on that fact. Either it's a really bad scum move or a brilliant one. Or he's just town, in which case dafaq.
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On July 26 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@koshi:
what makes FT so town that you are willing to just sheep his vote? what happened to your own scumreads?
These is all I have atm
FirmTofu
1) The kenpachi rule thing is bullshit. I believe he was actually upset by the VT claim as a town player.
2) The attention on FT for only this Kenpachi bullshit was too big.
3) I think FT is town from his filter.
Lazermonky is crazy, but that being said I won't vote for the guy.
Artanis[xp]
I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope.
Malongo
Has been focusing me since the start. It began with the "let's lynch koshi" and the lie that I was posting in Sicilian, while in faxt I was sleeping. But meh, I have no read on the guy, except personal dislike.
All the rest of you. I have no clue. I made some cases before, they were bad. So I am going with gut. Gut = FT is town.
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So Rainbows, who is scummier to you? Artanis or Malongo?
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EBWOP: Koshi tell me what exactly makes FT town in his filter.....There is also more than just the kenpachi rule
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Artanis is scummier. Also this game seems really OMGUSy
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Koshi how is this town?
On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
Throw shit, all the places!
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On July 26 2013 01:44 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP: Koshi tell me what exactly makes FT town in his filter.....There is also more than just the kenpachi rule
I read it. I like it. I have FT his back.
That's all.
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On July 26 2013 01:45 Rainbows wrote:Koshi how is this town? Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
Throw shit, all the places!
Nothing wrong with it and I agree with him.
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On July 26 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:44 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP: Koshi tell me what exactly makes FT town in his filter.....There is also more than just the kenpachi rule I read it. I like it. I have FT his back. That's all.
you serious?
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On July 26 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:45 Rainbows wrote:Koshi how is this town? On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
Throw shit, all the places! Nothing wrong with it and I agree with him.
This is getting ridiculous. Earlier I commented on each of these points, only the rayn one stands up to scrutiny
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I almost think Koshi is too obviously scummy to be scum. Like who says "Yeah I personally dislike him, and have no read on him. Therefore I want to lynch him." as scum? Like that's just too red.
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It might be the way to play mafia, but you guys play it so difficult. So many things that you do are considered scummy. While secrecy and lurking is fine.
Look at Artanis his filter. How is that better than FirmTofu? FirmTofu speaks his mind. I would love him to be here on Day 2 and Day 3 and Day 4 as long as he keeps doing that. What does Artanis do? Fucking nothing. Lynch his ass, and all the other people that play like that.
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On July 26 2013 01:52 Koshi wrote:
It might be the way to play mafia, but you guys play it so difficult. So many things that you do are considered scummy. While secrecy and lurking is fine.
Look at Artanis his filter. How is that better than FirmTofu? FirmTofu speaks his mind. I would love him to be here on Day 2 and Day 3 and Day 4 as long as he keeps doing that. What does Artanis do? Fucking nothing. Lynch his ass, and all the other people that play like that.
I thought you didn't want to lynch Artanis?
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On July 26 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:
I almost think Koshi is too obviously scummy to be scum. Like who says "Yeah I personally dislike him, and have no read on him. Therefore I want to lynch him." as scum? Like that's just too red.
Again... What is this? Ughhhh.
Too scummy to be scum?
I am just typing whatever pops in my mind. 24/7
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On July 26 2013 01:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:
I almost think Koshi is too obviously scummy to be scum. Like who says "Yeah I personally dislike him, and have no read on him. Therefore I want to lynch him." as scum? Like that's just too red. Again... What is this? Ughhhh. Too scummy to be scum? I am just typing whatever pops in my mind. 24/7
The point is was that it was townie, because no scum would ever say that because it's subject to "ur OMGUSing lol scum not scumhunting". And it's blates.
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On July 26 2013 01:03 Koshi wrote:
FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e.
I would like you to put it on Artanis though*.
If there is 1 thing I need to learn is to reread my posts and remove my silly typos.
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On July 26 2013 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Artanis[xp]
I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope.
I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ?????
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad. Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game.
Or how about you start doing something that is not useless? I will then reconsider my vote.
You know, how much of a lynchbait you are does not make you automatically town. That's like the crappiest defence i have heard. "Yo, i'm a lynchbait, vote for someone else". Give us some reads if you are town. It does not matter if you are right or wrong but if you don't even try you will never be right. And it also makes me think you don't even want to try, in which case you are scum.
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Koshi what happened to your rayn read?
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Also Koshi is not this stupid. I know it for a fact because i am masoned with him in Sicilian. Wtf are you doing Koshi, are you scum?
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On July 26 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Artanis[xp]
I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope. I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ?????
My own personal opinion is that I don't have a case to start the damn wagon. But if somebody else (my townread) would share the same idea, then I would gladly put my vote on Artanis as well.
Like I said. I read that filter from Artanis and I think. What if he keeps doing this? Are we ever going to find out what he thinks? Nope. Never.
At least you guys know what I am thinking this game. Or pretend to be thinking. What do you know from Artanis?
Nothing. He made 1 decent post? Or is it 2?
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On July 26 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi is not this stupid. I know it for a fact because i am masoned with him in Sicilian. Wtf are you doing Koshi, are you scum?
rayn, in this game I have no Vivax to hold my hand and point out where the scum is. Without Vivax I would be as lost in Sicilian as I am here.
If you see me doing insane reads in Sicilian let me know.
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Koshi what separates Dandel from Artanis?
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Let's refrain from talking about ongoing games before some guy in blue yells at us for it.
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On July 26 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what separates Dandel from Artanis?
Dandel is funny.
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On July 26 2013 01:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Artanis[xp]
I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope. I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ????? My own personal opinion is that I don't have a case to start the damn wagon. But if somebody else (my townread) would share the same idea, then I would gladly put my vote on Artanis as well. Like I said. I read that filter from Artanis and I think. What if he keeps doing this? Are we ever going to find out what he thinks? Nope. Never. At least you guys know what I am thinking this game. Or pretend to be thinking. What do you know from Artanis? Nothing. He made 1 decent post? Or is it 2?
what? you dont have the right to start a wagon? You do realize you should just lynch/vote for the target you think is the scummiest???? You are starting to look scummier and scummier....If artanis is so scummy why dont you just vote him? I dont even understand
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On July 26 2013 02:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:59 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Artanis[xp]
I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope. I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ????? My own personal opinion is that I don't have a case to start the damn wagon. But if somebody else (my townread) would share the same idea, then I would gladly put my vote on Artanis as well. Like I said. I read that filter from Artanis and I think. What if he keeps doing this? Are we ever going to find out what he thinks? Nope. Never. At least you guys know what I am thinking this game. Or pretend to be thinking. What do you know from Artanis? Nothing. He made 1 decent post? Or is it 2? what? you dont have the right to start a wagon? You do realize you should just lynch/vote for the target you think is the scummiest???? You are starting to look scummier and scummier....If artanis is so scummy why dont you just vote him? I dont even understand
#vote: Artanis
Glad we had this talk. See, you talk, I like.
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Koshi, you really should be voting Artanis right now. I have no idea why you aren't.
As for where I stand...
I hate meta with a passion, but I feel like I have to use it at this point.
Rayn is basically confirmed scum to me if I acknowledge meta. A town rayn posts a LOT MORE than this during day 1. He is usually accusing everything and everyone, trying to find scum.
In this game, all he's doing is defending himself and half-jumping on the wagon on me. I really dislike his play and I am inclined to think he's scum.
I absolutely hate that my argument is mostly meta so if anyone can come up with a case on him that isn't meta-reliant, I would love to hear it.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
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ShiaoPi, I think you are town, but hopelessly misguided. Please look at my filter from an objective perspective and consider whether I am truly more scummy than rayn.
Rayn has done a terrible job of defending himself from your accusations. I am actively scumhunting. I don't understand why you think I am more scummy than him.
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I played scum with Rayn before and hes super active. I dont think hes our bestblynch choice today.
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Hi I am back, catching up!
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@FT whats your read on koshi and malungo?
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On July 26 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:
I played scum with Rayn before and hes super active. I dont think hes our bestblynch choice today.
Really? Can you link me the game please? I've only played with town rayn and he's always active.
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On July 26 2013 02:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what separates Dandel from Artanis? Dandel is funny.
I'm funny too
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Im phone posting so i cant do much of anything FT. it was an early newbie of mine im sure you can find it on the archives. Me and Rayn were scum and destroyed activity and just tunneled towns all day. Good times.
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On July 26 2013 02:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
@FT whats your read on koshi and malungo?
Koshi is very scummy for sheeping me. However, I cannot fathom why he would label me as a town read if he was scum. I know I am town. Unless he thinks my scumhunting skills are terrible, why would he sheep me as scum?
Null on Koshi.
Malongo is null leaning scum to me. He's in the realm of Artanis/Dandel of uselessness, so I wouldn't mind lynching him today. I don't think there is a lot in his filter to go off of.
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FirmTofu making a meta case and not even getting his facts straight. Cool story bro.
I can debunk your case, i was/am at work (yes, atm too).
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Mal unfortuneatley is null. hes scummy with his koshi vote post but the whole mason vig thing makes me believe otherwise bc he told rayn he was killing him.
koshi was townie until recently. He was acting so super scummy just now that i wld have never posted that if i were scum. it seems too blates scummy to be scum and hes just disgruntled town.
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@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch?
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Malongo has totally disapperaed. Not only from the thread but from our QT too.
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If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it.
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Reread Rayn, seems pretty townie. Kenpachi gambit not effective this game Too active and angry at people. Scum games seem more calculated.
How many times can we mislynch? Need to know how big my carpet bomb list can be.
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On July 26 2013 02:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch?
Probably Artanis/Malongo/Sylencia.
I want to hear more from Z-Boson and Stutters who haven't contributed much yet. I'm null on Lazermonkey and Koshi. Everyone else I'm leaning town.
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On July 26 2013 02:32 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it.
I would actually advocate this at this point.
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rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows?
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On July 26 2013 02:32 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it.
No, that's stupid. He'll come back and contribute or we lynch him. He doesn't seem very townie atm other than his "shot" on me. I have been trying to think why would that make sense from him as either alignment and i can't understand it (assuming he actually shot and then asked for cancel). Usually it's townies tat do stupid stuff like this so atm i am inclined to lean town on hm, but i would really like him to answer me at least in our QT.
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On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows?
Explain the similitaries.
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On July 26 2013 02:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Reread Rayn, seems pretty townie. Kenpachi gambit not effective this game Too active and angry at people. Scum games seem more calculated. How many times can we mislynch? Need to know how big my carpet bomb list can be.
i suggest reading parts of his catch 22 filter. am i the only one who thinks it is kinda similar?
assuming 9-3 split of players its 2 mislynches to lylo if the nighthit always goes thriugh
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On July 26 2013 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? Explain the similitaries.
gut feeling. but taht is very unreliable(see goodkarma in catch22 lol), since you brought it up though i felt like sharing it. maybe other ppl will look at it and feel the same way
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On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows?
I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make.
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You mean my case on GK? I would have done that as town aswell, dude was so scummy.
But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/
I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time.
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (2): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
Malongo (1): Stutters695
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (1): Lazermonkey
Artanis[Xp] (2): Rainbows, Dandel Ion, Koshi
Koshi (1): Malongo
Lazermonkey (1): Sylencia
Sylencia (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu
Deadline is in ~10 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon.
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On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make.
What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon?
You need to elaborate on this.
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On July 26 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean my case on GK? I would have done that as town aswell, dude was so scummy.
But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/
I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time.
I cannot pinpoint it. Just as i said it's a feeling of familiarity in general
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On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make.
what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up?
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On July 26 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon? You need to elaborate on this.
That is a fair point, but I think scum would be more likely to jump on an existing wagon on a townie than form one themselves. Scum doesn't want to be associated with starting the wagon. It draws unnecessary attention to themselves after the flip.
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sylencia, you are basically voting my based upon a single post, correct? And the reason you do this is because you agree with my logic, correct? I don't feel like explaining why I am right and you are wrong for the seventh time. If you really are town, check my filter and you will understand that I have already answered your questions and suspicions. But disregarding that, how does me disagreeing with you make me scum? You don't explain this at all.
Also, there are alot of guys agreeing with my logic here which you even point out yourself. Why is it that I am scummy but not them? Do you seriously think scum would be the one to start the "suicidal and very stupid plan" and that a bunch of townies just sheeped it. Because I would actually argue its the other way around. Scum are very afraid of saying stuff that could cause them to look bad, like a "suicidal and very stupid plan", however if a plan like that is started by a townie then they could very well be sheeping that. I've already read it, and I explained how the post is literally setup to help scum. The reason why people agree is because it sounds sensible. Someone's about to die, and so they'll take the shot because they think their partner is scum. Sounds great in theory, but if you think about how it's done in practice it's a crappy idea. Also, plans aren't about how suicidal they are, it's about how well you can sell the idea. It's the same with pushing for a lynch - if you're convincing enough you'll push the wagon all the way and everyone will hop on. In any case, completely brushing off the possibility that one team can perform an action because it's high risk is silly, I prefer to keep an open mind about things. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad. Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game. You just went full retard, never go full retard...
Like literally everything in this post is just so fucking BS I cannot even believe it. Its mind blowing really. Take a step back and look through everything and try to have an open mind. Its clear at this point that you are either scum panicing or town in super-tunnel-bias mode. Let me brake this down for you.
I'm not even going to comment on the policy thing. I heavily disagree with you as you know but its not even relevant at this point. As I said before, you must understand that those types of policies really requires everyone to accept in order to actually be valuable. This is simple logic. Right now, you'll have to convince alot of guys to do that. And you aren't trying. So this policy really means nothing whether you like it or not.
The second part. Well, your are being super dumb once again. I never said scum couldn't be doing something like this. Let me summerize our conversation really fast
You: Lazer is scum because his idea helps scum
Me: Well, even if we ignore the fact that it doesn't help scum, why does this mean that just I am scum? What about the other guys on the wagon? In my experience scum are more likely to be sheeping a bad idea of a townie that to be the one who is starting a bad idea that THEN gets sheeped by townies.
You: Just because its high risk for scum doesn't mean they cannot do that.
So what are we left with? Well I STILL DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE HOW YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM SCUM! Please explain why I am scum, why those who aren't on the wagon aren't scum. How does any of your arguments show that I am scum instead of missguided townie? Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that that person is scum...
Also if you think that what convinces people that a plan or a lynch is correct is just the amount of time and dedication you put into it, then you are really really stupid. A bad argument should never ever convince a whole town no matter how much you try to convince everyone.
The last part Rayn already talked about. You can't argue yourself out of all suspiciouns just by saying you are a lynch bait because if you did, you would win every time you were scum...
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On July 26 2013 02:49 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up?
IDK. My read on Rainbows is not very strong so I don't want to lead you astray if I'm wrong. I personally don't think the policy thing is very alignment indicative. If you want to bring up something in particular, go ahead.
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On July 26 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:32 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it. No, that's stupid. He'll come back and contribute or we lynch him. He doesn't seem very townie atm other than his "shot" on me. I have been trying to think why would that make sense from him as either alignment and i can't understand it (assuming he actually shot and then asked for cancel). Usually it's townies tat do stupid stuff like this so atm i am inclined to lean town on hm, but i would really like him to answer me at least in our QT.
I disagree. It would be stupid if he demonstrated a town mindset behind it in any way at all.
Shooting "for the lulz" does not in any way demonstrate a town mindset. Neither does cancelling the shot solely because it's on you. If you believe he actually fired the shot and cancelled it based off of his overall lack of any contributions and his failure to demonstrate a town mindset behind the shot makes him pretty likely scum in my book and definitely a good vig.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
alright. I am currently satisfied with FTs answers to my questions therfore ##unvote
unfortunately i am now at a state where I can be happy to lynch like half the players ~.~
Its 2am so I am heading to bed now. Will be back before the deadline to check on new developments and put down my vote. let me leave a couple of notes to you before sleeping:
dandel might be a disruptive annoying little bitch but he is most probably town.
sylencia is indeed a lynchbait, however in later cycles he is able to give out great reads(see I swear mafia1) so I would advocate waiting on him
rainbows is now nullish to me. liked his recent posting. maybe I made too big of a deal out of the entire policy thing.
rayn is weird. If i were to vote now it is him. but i have a couple of doubts so i will decide after sleeping on it.
koshi currently strikes me as ixncredibly stupid/noobie town. Its as said before too scummy for scum.
on artanis i did not want to lynch him earlier since he is a vet. while i have not played with him before I think he miht be worthwhile to keep around for at least another day to see if his posting gets better.
on malongo: the shot thing is the redeeming factor, otherwise he looks not too good. dunno abiut him
thats more or less the jumbled stuff I got now before sleeping see yiu all tmr!
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (1): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
Malongo (1): Stutters695
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (1): Lazermonkey
Artanis[Xp] (2): Rainbows, Dandel Ion, Koshi
Koshi (1): Malongo
Lazermonkey (1): Sylencia
Sylencia (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu
Deadline is in ~10 hours. Currently Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon.
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On July 26 2013 00:56 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
##Unvote
##Vote FirmTofu We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon. We really realy should consolidate though. If we split our votes up more then every scum vote will be relatively stronger. Also, if you just vote your biggest scum read but that read happend to be someone who isn't gaining alot of votes, you are indirectly voting for the player with the most votes at the time. You might have to go for a guy thats not your top scum read but rather your second or third to prevent guys you don't think are scummy to get lynched. We should aim to pin the pynch between 2 players or at tops 3. Everyone should comment on ALL of the candidates and say in which one they want to lynch the most, second most etc. And we really should do it ASAP as alot of guys will not be able to attend at the deadline. I will try to be there but I can't really promise and I have full respect, especially for the europeans, if they are unable to attend.
For me the list is currently: Stutters
Sylencia
FT
Artanis or maybe Koshi
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ill be home hopefully 2 hours pre-lynch to flesh out some reads. In short I think Artanis is a decent lynch today. If not him, dont lynch an active dude.
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So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?
Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi
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On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?
Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi
You want to keep Artanis alive over me? Why not lynch Artanis and I will take over his role.
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On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?
Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi There is a diference though. I would really want to kill stutters but I don't see him as a realistic lynch for today. Sylencia might not be optimal either, at least if what ShiaoPi writes is correct i.e. that he ups his play the longer the game goes. I think todays lynch is between Firmtofu or Artanis.
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I honestly don't get Lazer's hard on for lynching me. Whatever, I really doubt that will happen.
Now in terms of what can happen today:
Malongo (vig or lynch plz)
Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning.
Not really sure on a third yet.
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everyone is so butthurt about people finding them scummy. lol.
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On July 26 2013 04:44 Stutters695 wrote:
I honestly don't get Lazer's hard on for lynching me. Whatever, I really doubt that will happen.
Now in terms of what can happen today:
Malongo (vig or lynch plz)
Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning.
Not really sure on a third yet.
I didn't say my reasons for lynching you over Syl was bad though. I said that my reason BESIDES the lynch bait point was bad. But the lynch bait point isn't bad. Look at Sylencias profile, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sylencia. He really has been lynched ALOT as town. And as a player that actually led the lynch on him, I can say that his play this game isn't extremly different from the other.
Also, why am I scum for attacking you with "bad" arguments? Are scum more inclined to use "bad" arguments?
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On July 26 2013 04:47 Rainbows wrote:
everyone is so butthurt about people finding them scummy. lol. Word.
This really needs to go away. I am having at least three people that I can think of on top of my head that is suspecting me JUST because I attacked them Lol. You guys needs to realize that wrong=/=scum...
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On July 26 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 04:47 Rainbows wrote:
everyone is so butthurt about people finding them scummy. lol. Word. This really needs to go away. I am having at least three people that I can think of on top of my head that is suspecting me JUST because I attacked them Lol. You guys needs to realize that wrong=/=scum...
And you here are saying you are accusing townies?
You just got onto my list of justice.
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After reading through the last couple of pages I am strating to like Koshi more and more. My impression of his play is that he is very genuine. He is so honest about saying stuff that he thinks that he says stuff that is "bad". But really, you shouldn't put too much weigh into words. I do say stupid stuff like that ALL the time as town just because I am less likely to care about having a good image in the thread. Scum are way more reluctant about stuff that could potentially cause them to look bad. I also think his suspicions on Artanis makes sense.
I might actually switch over to Artanis, I think I'd rather see him hang than Sylencia and FT...
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On July 26 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 04:47 Rainbows wrote:
everyone is so butthurt about people finding them scummy. lol. Word. This really needs to go away. I am having at least three people that I can think of on top of my head that is suspecting me JUST because I attacked them Lol. You guys needs to realize that wrong=/=scum... And you here are saying you are accusing townies? You just got onto my list of justice. Are you fucking stupid? No matter what alignment they have they will have to play from the PoV that I'm accusing a townie, right?
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Rayn, if it comes down to Artanis vs FT, who will you vote for?
I'm guessing FT after looking at your filter. But you hardly mention Artanis at all, the only thing you say (and rightfully so) about him is that he is jerking off Dandel...
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On July 26 2013 02:38 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Reread Rayn, seems pretty townie. Kenpachi gambit not effective this game Too active and angry at people. Scum games seem more calculated. How many times can we mislynch? Need to know how big my carpet bomb list can be. i suggest reading parts of his catch 22 filter. am i the only one who thinks it is kinda similar? assuming 9-3 split of players its 2 mislynches to lylo if the nighthit always goes thriugh
I don't really see it from a quick glance and I can't focus right now to give you more than that.
On July 26 2013 04:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?
Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi There is a diference though. I would really want to kill stutters but I don't see him as a realistic lynch for today. Sylencia might not be optimal either, at least if what ShiaoPi writes is correct i.e. that he ups his play the longer the game goes. I think todays lynch is between Firmtofu or Artanis.
I think that's a terrible idea. I don't believe Firm is scum and I know I'm not. We both have two votes which is nothing. Nothing is set in stone yet and there's no pressure to pick X people because it's a plurality lynch rather than an instant majority lynch.
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Well, I didn't say that the lynch were between you and FT, I said I thought it would be between you two. But we really need to consolidate and if you are not confident in todays candidates you really should try the hardest you can to find someone else you think is scummier and push him. Because right now you've done nothing pretty much.
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Artanis who should we hang today?
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@Artanis
Why are you dodging my question?? Here it is for you again:
On July 25 2013 04:38 Z-BosoN wrote:@ArtanisShow nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Can you elaborate your town read on Shiao? Also, I don't think three votes can hardly be considered a "wagon". I don't like how you back off a bit on your "first suspect" because of a 3-man wagon with 33 hours left to deadline... also, it was Firm that firstly expressed distaste in the vt claim, not rayn: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? Tell me more about rayne/tofu.
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On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today?
Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.
##Vote: Lazermonkey
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On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand...
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EBWOP: And how the fuck does me not wanting myself to die make me scum?
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On July 25 2013 04:38 Z-BosoN wrote:@ArtanisShow nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Can you elaborate your town read on Shiao?
He thought about how to place a trap to catch scum and he followed through with it and acted upon his suspicion. I can follow the process and it feels genuine.
Also, I don't think three votes can hardly be considered a "wagon". I don't like how you back off a bit on your "first suspect" because of a 3-man wagon with 33 hours left to deadline... also, it was Firm that firstly expressed distaste in the vt claim, not rayn: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? Tell me more about rayne/tofu.
It's the start of a wagon and those things can get out of control pretty quickly. I didn't want a single candidate to be homed in on too quickly.
I currently don't think Rayne or Tofu is scum. Both of them have been trying to scumhunt and have raised valid points to the point that I'm currently not interested in them.
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On July 26 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today? Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand...
You've been acting as the thread moderator for the past few pages.
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Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people:
On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like".
I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch?
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On July 26 2013 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today? Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand... You've been acting as the thread moderator for the past few pages. And that makes me scum how? If you actually looked through my filter you would've seen that I've been stepping on alot of toes. That's why alot of guys are suspecting me. Alot of nuubs being angry when I say their play is scummy. You don't say jack shit, just jumo on the most popular wagon yet not pushing it even a centimeter foreward. And unlike them, you aren't a nuub.
Plz die.
##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[Xp]
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Artanis what's your stance on Syl/Koshi?
Lazer, have you seen Koshi play scum? Your townread on him is based on extremely weak and wrong reasons.
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Lazermonkey you originally said sylencia was lynchbait and didn't feel compelled to dwelve into him:
On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting.
And thus your vote was on stutters, because he was less of a lynch bait:
On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
And then you had an exchange with sylencia and now you feel he's scum, and stutters is of no interest to you anymore.
But you don't want to push sylencia's lynch, saying that you think the lynch will be between FT and Artanis.
Can you be specific as to why you changed your mind on stutters and can you take a stance on sylencia? You are being incredibly wishy-washy on him.
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On July 26 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis what's your stance on Syl/Koshi?
Lazer, have you seen Koshi play scum? Your townread on him is based on extremely weak and wrong reasons. No I haven't, have you?
Why are they weak and wrong?
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On July 26 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today? Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand... You've been acting as the thread moderator for the past few pages. And that makes me scum how? If you actually looked through my filter you would've seen that I've been stepping on alot of toes. That's why alot of guys are suspecting me. Alot of nuubs being angry when I say their play is scummy. You don't say jack shit, just jumo on the most popular wagon yet not pushing it even a centimeter foreward. And unlike them, you aren't a nuub. Plz die. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[Xp]
That makes you scum because it's an easy place for scum to sit. You can control the lynch to make sure no scum comes close to being lynched, whereas a town player isn't interested in being friends with everyone but rather actually wants to find scum. Also, since when are you a leading wagon? I see one vote on you and it's from Sylencia. What the hell are you talking about?
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On July 26 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like". I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch?
It was suposed to be ironic. The only thing I can say about you so far is that you are playing clean. So clean that it looks too good. Im not sure if that makes sense but you're not saying stupid shit which seems deliberatly cobstructed. Unfortunetly its just a feel.
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On July 26 2013 05:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Lazermonkey you originally said sylencia was lynchbait and didn't feel compelled to dwelve into him: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting. And thus your vote was on stutters, because he was less of a lynch bait: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please! And then you had an exchange with sylencia and now you feel he's scum, and stutters is of no interest to you anymore. But you don't want to push sylencia's lynch, saying that you think the lynch will be between FT and Artanis. Can you be specific as to why you changed your mind on stutters and can you take a stance on sylencia? You are being incredibly wishy-washy on him. What? You got it all wrong... I never dropped my stutters scum read Lol. Reread my filter.
I'm still somewhat suspicious of Sylencia but I'm willing to give him BOTD because he is generally a lynch bait + ShiaoPi says he plays better later on.
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On July 26 2013 05:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today? Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand... You've been acting as the thread moderator for the past few pages. And that makes me scum how? If you actually looked through my filter you would've seen that I've been stepping on alot of toes. That's why alot of guys are suspecting me. Alot of nuubs being angry when I say their play is scummy. You don't say jack shit, just jumo on the most popular wagon yet not pushing it even a centimeter foreward. And unlike them, you aren't a nuub. Plz die. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[Xp] That makes you scum because it's an easy place for scum to sit. You can control the lynch to make sure no scum comes close to being lynched, whereas a town player isn't interested in being friends with everyone but rather actually wants to find scum. Also, since when are you a leading wagon? I see one vote on you and it's from Sylencia. What the hell are you talking about? Lol so you cannot actually think of any reason what so ever for a townie to try to controll the thread? Really? You aren't this stupid. And wtf are you talking about? I'm NOT friends with everyone. You are just saying stuff without a single fact to back it up. Yes, one vote (two with you) but if you actually did read the thread you would've seen that alot of people have called me scummy during the course of the game.
You are just saying so much BS right now. If you are town I'm geniunely disappointed.
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Everyone, please give your opnion on Artanis...
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On July 26 2013 05:44 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people: On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like". I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch? It was suposed to be ironic. The only thing I can say about you so far is that you are playing clean. So clean that it looks too good. Im not sure if that makes sense but you're not saying stupid shit which seems deliberatly cobstructed. Unfortunetly its just a feel.
Ah ok, well, I don't want to be lynched neither as townie nor as scum, so for the most part I don't post whatever the fuck comes to mind anymore (even though I used to)
Can you answer the second part, on who else would you lynch besides artanis?
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On July 26 2013 04:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 04:44 Stutters695 wrote:
I honestly don't get Lazer's hard on for lynching me. Whatever, I really doubt that will happen.
Now in terms of what can happen today:
Malongo (vig or lynch plz)
Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning.
Not really sure on a third yet.
I didn't say my reasons for lynching you over Syl was bad though. I said that my reason BESIDES the lynch bait point was bad. But the lynch bait point isn't bad. Look at Sylencias profile, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sylencia. He really has been lynched ALOT as town. And as a player that actually led the lynch on him, I can say that his play this game isn't extremly different from the other. Also, why am I scum for attacking you with "bad" arguments? Are scum more inclined to use "bad" arguments?
Because your arguments aren't trying to show a scum mindset because you know I'm town. I'd honestly consider you as my top lynch now after this response.
Note the blatant contradiction:
His reasons for thinking I'm scum are bad except for that I'm a better lynch than Syl because Syl is lynch bait. A reasonable assumption, except that for something as abstract as lynch bait being the deciding factor he has to think we're both scummy. Yet he just said that his only good reason for lynching me is that Syl is lynch bait. What?
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On July 26 2013 05:45 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Lazermonkey you originally said sylencia was lynchbait and didn't feel compelled to dwelve into him: On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting. And thus your vote was on stutters, because he was less of a lynch bait: On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please! And then you had an exchange with sylencia and now you feel he's scum, and stutters is of no interest to you anymore. But you don't want to push sylencia's lynch, saying that you think the lynch will be between FT and Artanis. Can you be specific as to why you changed your mind on stutters and can you take a stance on sylencia? You are being incredibly wishy-washy on him. What? You got it all wrong... I never dropped my stutters scum read Lol. Reread my filter. I'm still somewhat suspicious of Sylencia but I'm willing to give him BOTD because he is generally a lynch bait + ShiaoPi says he plays better later on.
Aight.
Checking artanis now
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On July 26 2013 05:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:44 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people: On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like". I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch? It was suposed to be ironic. The only thing I can say about you so far is that you are playing clean. So clean that it looks too good. Im not sure if that makes sense but you're not saying stupid shit which seems deliberatly cobstructed. Unfortunetly its just a feel. Ah ok, well, I don't want to be lynched neither as townie nor as scum, so for the most part I don't post whatever the fuck comes to mind anymore (even though I used to) Can you answer the second part, on who else would you lynch besides artanis?
Someone lurky. Dandel for being useless syl for being scummy/lurky.
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On July 26 2013 05:53 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 04:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 04:44 Stutters695 wrote:
I honestly don't get Lazer's hard on for lynching me. Whatever, I really doubt that will happen.
Now in terms of what can happen today:
Malongo (vig or lynch plz)
Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning.
Not really sure on a third yet.
I didn't say my reasons for lynching you over Syl was bad though. I said that my reason BESIDES the lynch bait point was bad. But the lynch bait point isn't bad. Look at Sylencias profile, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sylencia. He really has been lynched ALOT as town. And as a player that actually led the lynch on him, I can say that his play this game isn't extremly different from the other. Also, why am I scum for attacking you with "bad" arguments? Are scum more inclined to use "bad" arguments? Because your arguments aren't trying to show a scum mindset because you know I'm town. I'd honestly consider you as my top lynch now after this response. Note the blatant contradiction: His reasons for thinking I'm scum are bad except for that I'm a better lynch than Syl because Syl is lynch bait. A reasonable assumption, except that for something as abstract as lynch bait being the deciding factor he has to think we're both scummy. Yet he just said that his only good reason for lynching me is that Syl is lynch bait. What? No, I have alot of reasons to lynch you besides the lynch bait thing. But you don't read thread/is stupid/scum so you wouldn't understand... The reason I phrased it like that is because rayn asked me why I was voting you and not Sylencia because your play was very similar (something I agree with). My response was that Sylencia is a lynch bait and you are not therefore I would be more confident in killing you. So you see, if you actually start reading, it all makes sense.
Now stop being mad because I wanted to lynch you and comment on Artanis...
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VOTE COUNT:
FirmTofu (1): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion
Malongo (1): Stutters695
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (0): Lazermonkey
Artanis[Xp] (3): Rainbows, Dandel Ion, Koshi, Lazermonkey
Koshi (1): Malongo
Lazermonkey (2): Sylencia, Artanis[Xp]
Sylencia (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu
Deadline is in ~7 hours. Currently Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon.
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My QT is so dead im talking to myself ;(
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On July 26 2013 05:49 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
Artanis who should we hang today? Right now, I want to lynch Lazer because he seems to be putting a lot of effort into not stepping on people's toes and making sure that the lynch doesn't go in his direction in any case.##Vote: Lazermonkey LOL you realize I've been the one to step on almost everyone's toes. You on the other hand... You've been acting as the thread moderator for the past few pages. And that makes me scum how? If you actually looked through my filter you would've seen that I've been stepping on alot of toes. That's why alot of guys are suspecting me. Alot of nuubs being angry when I say their play is scummy. You don't say jack shit, just jumo on the most popular wagon yet not pushing it even a centimeter foreward. And unlike them, you aren't a nuub. Plz die. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[Xp] That makes you scum because it's an easy place for scum to sit. You can control the lynch to make sure no scum comes close to being lynched, whereas a town player isn't interested in being friends with everyone but rather actually wants to find scum. Also, since when are you a leading wagon? I see one vote on you and it's from Sylencia. What the hell are you talking about? Lol so you cannot actually think of any reason what so ever for a townie to try to controll the thread? Really? You aren't this stupid. And wtf are you talking about? I'm NOT friends with everyone. You are just saying stuff without a single fact to back it up. Yes, one vote (two with you) but if you actually did read the thread you would've seen that alot of people have called me scummy during the course of the game. You are just saying so much BS right now. If you are town I'm geniunely disappointed.
Of course there are reasons for town to try to control the thread. There's town reasons for just about anything. It's the way you've done it that's raising red flags. Your OMGUS follow up to a vote isn't particularly townish.
As for playing poorly, I might be. In the start of games I often play poorly though I get back up later.
+ Show Spoiler [Off topic excuse] +I think I got a case of mild food poisoning though which is causing me to have trouble focusing right now.
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Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
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Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
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Rainbow you want to talk about anything?
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On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p
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id love to talk but ive been at work and im phone posting when downtime occurs
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On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p
Well, he did just stick out his neck for me.
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So town are long necked :o
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On July 26 2013 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p Well, he did just stick out his neck for me.
Look, he stuck his neck out again! and for me!
I hope you are my date tomorrow 
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On July 26 2013 06:33 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p Well, he did just stick out his neck for me. Look, he stuck his neck out again! and for me! I hope you are my date tomorrow
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sC0E9mx.png)
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1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
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Lets talk rayn or malongo?
Is there a small chance that both are scum?
Is Malongo scum for trying to kill rayn? But why did he stop? He didn't give a reason.
Is rayn scum for not shooting malongo? I feel like he should be more upset about it?
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On July 26 2013 06:52 Koshi wrote:
Lets talk rayn or malongo?
Is there a small chance that both are scum?
Seems unlikely. Drawing attention to both of them with the stint Malongo pulled seems unlikely.
Is Malongo scum for trying to kill rayn? But why did he stop? He didn't give a reason.
I have no idea and I would like to know that as well. I can't find both a town or a scum reason for it so it mostly leaves me confused.
Is rayn scum for not shooting malongo? I feel like he should be more upset about it?
I think he realized after a while that it didn't go through and I like how he continued to scumhunt afterwards. I don't like how he hasn't really put any pressure on Malongo though, but it's possible he's done that in the QT.
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Actually, i was just about to tell this:
Malongo
07-25-2013
07:26 AM ET (US)
Honestly I am lost, I have like 0 reads atm. My vote on Koshi is basically an abstain.
raynpelikoneet
07-24-2013
04:58 PM ET (US)
Where's your head atm? Who do you think is scum?
What do you think of Rainbows / Sylencia / FT?
I have no idea what to think about this..
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Pretty hard to put some pressure onto him when he does not say anything in there..
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I really wonder why malongo stopped.
It would be pretty sick that he did it because he figured out you were his mason and you are both scum. It's sounds crazy but why actually send the pm to the host (let's be honest here, he did that) and then stop because suddenly it was rayn in the mason chat...
If Malongo was doing #BigPlays, he should have followed up better than what he is doing.
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Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.
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Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey.
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On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective.
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On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie. What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?
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On July 26 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.
Got to find reasons why people are scummy. What else is there to do?
I don't know who to vote on rayn. Can you help me?
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On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis?
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On July 26 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie. What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?
My vote is still on him. But I would not bet monies on Artanis being scum if I had 4:1 odds. Or is it 1:4? I am no bookmaker.
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On July 26 2013 07:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie. What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore? My vote is still on him. But I would not bet monies on Artanis being scum if I had 4:1 odds. Or is it 1:4? I am no bookmaker. Let me rephrase, who do you want to kill the most?
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On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis?
Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with.
Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
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Since we are getting closer to the deadline, here is how I be feeling this game:
First of all, lynching active people day one is stupid. On the offchance that they are town, it will massively fuck up the end game. Thus, I want town to fuck off concerning these players:
Lazermonkey
Rainbow
ShiaoPi (I'm surprised he's active, he's genrally lurky in d1)
rayn
That being said, here are the people I do not want to lynch because of the town vibes:
Artanis (see end of page 25)
Stutters (see end of this post)
This leaves:
Sylencia
Malango
Koshi
FirmTofu
Dandel Ion
... so who, Z-BosoN? Who? WHO??!?!?!?!
1- Dandel
Dandel had some activity earlier but had to leave. Right now, he's very self-confident of his meta:
On July 25 2013 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... I'm already hard-confirmed town just based on my meta.Deal with it. But I do want to make zboson dead too. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead. So you think it's only about the kenpachi? eyo When there is stuff, there is always stuff, you see. Some stuff is stuffier than other stuff but it's never alone. Unless it's not there, you see, but if it's not there it can't be alone either because it's not even there, you see. Artanis is also scum.
And then:
On July 25 2013 05:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
ull notice the difference when u dont have to harddefend me (thx btw) because i wont even be up for lynch because im such an amazing work of art.
my beauty knows no limits.
He continued posting after these posts I quoted with, and actually changed his vote due to the fact he had to leave, last thing he did. This suggests that he's uncertain regarding his vote, despite wanting to appear confident. I view this as a townie trait, as I think a meta-aware scum dandel would most likely insist on his read. Not a strong tell, but I don't want to lynch him.
2- Stutters, right now I'm really not digging his lynch. I've played with him quite a few times before and he's always quiet but makes the occasional decent post.
He's also quite non-chalant. I pressured him with concerns on the fact that he only had Malango as a scum read and nothing else, and he replied with:
On July 25 2013 05:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 04:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game? I think Mal is the best lynch currently. Not really sure otherwise.
Again, not the town read of my dreams, but I want him spared.
3- FirmTofu He's my mason buddy and he is adorable, but to be honest, I feel he has a good chance of being scum. Main post that caught my attention was this:
On July 26 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch? Probably Artanis/Malongo/Sylencia. I want to hear more from Z-Boson and Stutters who haven't contributed much yet. I'm null on Lazermonkey and Koshi. Everyone else I'm leaning town.
I have been more active than him, and FAR more active than stutters. This is a sign that he's not really reading the thread. And is not really interested. Also, he had this to say in the QT:
..Probably going to sleep soon, so I may not respond for a while. I like your initial posts. I agree with you about how we should play the game going forward.
Which isn't in direct contradiction with complaining about my activity, but is a slightly different tone than what I'd expect.
I strongly agree that he's someone who should be looked at, but given that he's a capable player and that in nuclear mafia he really picked up activity in day 2 or day 3, I feel he's a bad lynch choice for today. He's also much more active than:
4- Malango
Initially I thought the same as ShiaoPi:
On July 26 2013 01:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that.
Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo
But his latest post here was absolute shit. I feel like policy lynching him because he's dead anti-town weight to the endgame, as he proved it twice. He will likely be my vote.
5 - Sylencia
Really hate his play, "lynch bait" notwithstanding. Must look at filter more carefully.
6 - Koshi
He's mostly here by exclusion. There's the "slip" I noted earlier but that needs to be put in contrast with the rest of his play. TBH I need to look at his filter more carefully as well.
I've been very clear here and hopefully people can find this agreeable.
Right now I'm interested to hear Lazermonkey respond, as it seems I gave his two top scumreads semi-town reads rofl
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On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective.
Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic.
However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post:
On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT"
In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself.
Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today.
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On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless. So the part where he is not taking any real stance nor pushing any scum reads is good? Or what are you meaning? Its terribly easy to make sense as scum even moresoe than town because you actually know if you are wrong or right whereas town you have to guess to some extent.
I kinda want to wait with Sylencia, give him one more day. If he doesn't up his posting, I can kill him but right now, I'd rather not kill him.
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On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
You know your stuff, dear rayn.
How do you feel about Malongo after reading my post? Killing someone who is clearly anti-town who has a decent chance of being scum is excellent.
I want to propose that if Malongo doesn't show up until deadline with anything useful, we murder him.
Reasons above ^^^^^^
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On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me.
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On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post?
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Z-boson, you think Koshi and Malango are scum because their play is very bad for town. I can agree with this in some ways. However, a big part of my problems with both Koshi and Malango being scum is that their play is really bonkers if they are scum. Try to analyze their actions from scum PoV and not only town PoV and see if you see what I see!
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On July 26 2013 07:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post?
Contradicting yourself is something you easily do as town when you don't have clear reads. First you think somebody is scummy, then he makes a couple good posts and suddenly you are a town read. Overall I do like FT his filter.
@rayn. Put your vote on me if you like. Why are you so scared? Put it down and stop soft pointing at me.
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On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me.
Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier?
Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it?
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On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?
Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi
On July 26 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis what's your stance on Syl/Koshi?
Lazer, have you seen Koshi play scum? Your townread on him is based on extremely weak and wrong reasons.
On July 26 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.
On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
You are being boring in your last 10 posts.
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Is rayn always so doubtful?
please guis I have 2 targets but don't want to choose.
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Z-boson, you think Koshi and Malango are scum because their play is very bad for town. I can agree with this in some ways. However, a big part of my problems with both Koshi and Malango being scum is that their play is really bonkers if they are scum. Try to analyze their actions from scum PoV and not only town PoV and see if you see what I see!
No, I think Malongo's play is very bad for town, and I haven't read koshi's filter yet.
Like I said, I originially thought Malongo's play to be weird-as-fuck to make from a scum POV.
However, remember Chezinu from nuclear mafia? Nuking MZ,a townie looking dude, for little reason? I thought that same thing, and disregarded any anti-town play coming up from chezinu. You can't base too much off of one action.
What I do know is that Malongo's play is 100% anti-town, and thus town will benefit from killing him, regardless of his alignment. And who knows, he might actually flip scum.
Think gumshoe from Nuclear, WIFOM ninja-voting. I do not regret that lynch. Same logic imo.
I've played in a game once where it ended up with grush and BillMurray (two vets who are pretty trolly and useless) in the endgame, with DarthPunk as scum. It was sad to see town ignore an uncounterclaimed cop's reads leading to the endgame and then losing, despite the game already been solved. Don't you agree, ShiaoPi? (he was the cop)
Anyways, my point is that D1 is likely a mislynch, so lets mislynch someone who we know is bad for town.
This will be the case unless Malongo decides to post and contribute with anything useful.
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:41 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post? Contradicting yourself is something you easily do as town when you don't have clear reads. First you think somebody is scummy, then he makes a couple good posts and suddenly you are a town read. Overall I do like FT his filter. @rayn. Put your vote on me if you like. Why are you so scared? Put it down and stop soft pointing at me.
That's not the main point I want you to respond to. He's not contradicting himself. It's hints that he is not reading the thread and the changes of tonality in his views on me.
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me. Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier? Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it? I can think of several diferent reasons but I don't think it matters too much, I can't speak for Artanis.
No I still really dislike him. And I find it even more interesting that he goes away RIGHT when swaped over to Artanis. Also, think of this: Look at stutters filter and take note of his recent activity. He is really arguing HARD with me. he says I'm really scummy and that he is really considering voting me. But WHERE is his vote? on Malango, and it still is? but what does he do with it? Jack shit. And then he just leaves it there. Stutters is not interested in finding scum.
Actually, I think I can kill stutters instead. Someone else wantie?
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On July 26 2013 07:58 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:47 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2013 07:41 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post? Contradicting yourself is something you easily do as town when you don't have clear reads. First you think somebody is scummy, then he makes a couple good posts and suddenly you are a town read. Overall I do like FT his filter. @rayn. Put your vote on me if you like. Why are you so scared? Put it down and stop soft pointing at me. That's not the main point I want you to respond to. He's not contradicting himself. It's hints that he is not reading the thread and the changes of tonality in his views on me.
The way I see it is that he looked at you and probably saw a couple bad posts and called you out. After that he realized his mistake. FT might not be looking great, but shouldn't scum be more careful in calling out people?
I don't want to defend FT too much. Maybe he is scum, maybe not. I say not.
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So. No clear lynch target? Got to go to bed now D:
Think I will leave my vote on Artanis. Came out to play only once, and he did so by attacking Lazer, meh, I don't like it.
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On July 26 2013 08:04 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me. Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier? Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it? I can think of several diferent reasons but I don't think it matters too much, I can't speak for Artanis. No I still really dislike him. And I find it even more interesting that he goes away RIGHT when swaped over to Artanis. Also, think of this: Look at stutters filter and take note of his recent activity. He is really arguing HARD with me. he says I'm really scummy and that he is really considering voting me. But WHERE is his vote? on Malango, and it still is? but what does he do with it? Jack shit. And then he just leaves it there. Stutters is not interested in finding scum. Actually, I think I can kill stutters instead. Someone else wantie?
You're gonna have to be much more specific than that dude on him.
It sounds more like you are angry at him rather than you think he's scum. All you said here is he is arguing hard against you, and yet his vote is not on you. I think you should be looking at the quality of his arguments. Do you agree with them? Are they logical or is he bullshitting?
Stutters lurks as town and is very low on activity, normally, with the occasional good post. IMO his points against you don't look too bad, but I want to see if you think the same or not
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On July 26 2013 08:09 Koshi wrote:
So. No clear lynch target? Got to go to bed now D:
Think I will leave my vote on Artanis. Came out to play only once, and he did so by attacking Lazer, meh, I don't like it.
Wtf?? This post of yours came AFTER he attacked lazer:
On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
Are you scared to push your own reads or something?
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Hmm, well I feel like going to bed as well : (. But because I am a man I will try to get up at 5:00am and play Lol. To all of you left, remember to consolidate!!! I cannot stress how important this is! The more we split our votes the more influnce you give scum votes. And if you are voting for someone who is not one of the main candidates you are indirectly voting the one who got the most votes. So do consolidate, even if it means you have to vote a lesser scum read.
My lynch priority as for now!
1.Artanis
2.Stutters.
3.FT
4.Sylencia
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On July 26 2013 08:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmm, well I feel like going to bed as well : (. But because I am a man I will try to get up at 5:00am and play Lol. To all of you left, remember to consolidate!!! I cannot stress how important this is! The more we split our votes the more influnce you give scum votes. And if you are voting for someone who is not one of the main candidates you are indirectly voting the one who got the most votes. So do consolidate, even if it means you have to vote a lesser scum read.
My lynch priority as for now!
1.Artanis
2.Stutters.
3.FT
4.Sylencia
Ugh, it won't help town consolidate if we don't reach a consensus on artanis/stutters/malongo >.<
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Z-Boson. I do not understand what you want from me. I didn't like Artanis his lurking/trolling. When he did come back I started to look for better targets but I can't find one. I could go for a Malongo lynch.
If Lazer and you agree within 5 mins I will change. Otherwise it stays on Artanis.
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On July 26 2013 08:12 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:04 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest.
Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me. Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier? Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it? I can think of several diferent reasons but I don't think it matters too much, I can't speak for Artanis. No I still really dislike him. And I find it even more interesting that he goes away RIGHT when swaped over to Artanis. Also, think of this: Look at stutters filter and take note of his recent activity. He is really arguing HARD with me. he says I'm really scummy and that he is really considering voting me. But WHERE is his vote? on Malango, and it still is? but what does he do with it? Jack shit. And then he just leaves it there. Stutters is not interested in finding scum. Actually, I think I can kill stutters instead. Someone else wantie? You're gonna have to be much more specific than that dude on him. It sounds more like you are angry at him rather than you think he's scum. All you said here is he is arguing hard against you, and yet his vote is not on you. I think you should be looking at the quality of his arguments. Do you agree with them? Are they logical or is he bullshitting? Stutters lurks as town and is very low on activity, normally, with the occasional good post. IMO his points against you don't look too bad, but I want to see if you think the same or not He has no points against me. His whole vote on me is based on the fact that I attacked him. How does that convince you?
No I think he has a very high chance of being scum. Think of this: You are under no real pressure at all, you have 1(actually this is another point, he basically haven't taken a stance on anyone but me and Mal the last 24 hours...) scum read. Some dude says you are scum but noone agrees with this dude. What do you do as town?
I can buy that you argue with the dude. But why isn't he interested in his scum read? He is clearly not going to get lynched yet all he cars about is defending himself. He doesn't care at all about hunting scum. And guess what alignment doesn't care about hunting scum? scum...
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On July 26 2013 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. I do not understand what you want from me. I didn't like Artanis his lurking/trolling. When he did come back I started to look for better targets but I can't find one. I could go for a Malongo lynch.
If Lazer and you agree within 5 mins I will change. Otherwise it stays on Artanis. Naw, leave it on Artanis.
Good night!
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So let's leave a message to you lads why you shouldn't lynch me.
I will keep doing what I have been doing, which is post. In all my games I have posted each day, and mostly a good amount. If you think I am scummy, go for the lynch. If you think I am bad town, I hope you find better bad town.
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On July 26 2013 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. I do not understand what you want from me. I didn't like Artanis his lurking/trolling. When he did come back I started to look for better targets but I can't find one. I could go for a Malongo lynch.
If Lazer and you agree within 5 mins I will change. Otherwise it stays on Artanis.
What I don't understand from you is your play. When I defended Artanis, you agreed and were happy that artanis came out to play, and that you wanted to switch your vote, even when he went for lazer.
Now, without contributing to the artanis discussion me and lazer are having, you say you are fine with artanis (when earlier you wanted to switch from him) and you gave your reasoning based on the fact that he went for razer, when he had already done that when you expressed your intention to switch targets!!.
You state you have two other reads you are contemplating of switching to, but then you don't push, don't enter the merit of discussion, and leave your vote on artanis.
Your play makes zero sense.
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On July 26 2013 08:27 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. I do not understand what you want from me. I didn't like Artanis his lurking/trolling. When he did come back I started to look for better targets but I can't find one. I could go for a Malongo lynch.
If Lazer and you agree within 5 mins I will change. Otherwise it stays on Artanis. What I don't understand from you is your play. When I defended Artanis, you agreed and were happy that artanis came out to play, and that you wanted to switch your vote, even when he went for lazer. Now, without contributing to the artanis discussion me and lazer are having, you say you are fine with artanis (when earlier you wanted to switch from him) and you gave your reasoning based on the fact that he went for razer, when he had already done that when you expressed your intention to switch targets!!. You state you have two other reads you are contemplating of switching to, but then you don't push, don't enter the merit of discussion, and leave your vote on artanis. Your play makes zero sense.
Ok, this doesn't look like you telling me to go for Malongo so I am sticking with Artanis.
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##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
Says he likes that I'm posting, wants to leave a vote on me anyway as BosoN said. That, and Lazer isn't getting lynched. I've already said why I'm not posting much right now.
I see BosoN as pretty much confirmed town after defending me when I was such an easy lynch so I'm just gonna go follow his lead, and I like the reasoning.
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On July 26 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:27 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. I do not understand what you want from me. I didn't like Artanis his lurking/trolling. When he did come back I started to look for better targets but I can't find one. I could go for a Malongo lynch.
If Lazer and you agree within 5 mins I will change. Otherwise it stays on Artanis. What I don't understand from you is your play. When I defended Artanis, you agreed and were happy that artanis came out to play, and that you wanted to switch your vote, even when he went for lazer. Now, without contributing to the artanis discussion me and lazer are having, you say you are fine with artanis (when earlier you wanted to switch from him) and you gave your reasoning based on the fact that he went for razer, when he had already done that when you expressed your intention to switch targets!!. You state you have two other reads you are contemplating of switching to, but then you don't push, don't enter the merit of discussion, and leave your vote on artanis. Your play makes zero sense. Ok, this doesn't look like you telling me to go for Malongo so I am sticking with Artanis.
Um, does this look like I want you to go for malongo??
On July 26 2013 07:39 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless. You know your stuff, dear rayn. How do you feel about Malongo after reading my post? Killing someone who is clearly anti-town who has a decent chance of being scum is excellent. I want to propose that if Malongo doesn't show up until deadline with anything useful, we murder him.Reasons above ^^^^^^
And why are you waiting for people you supposedly don't know the alignment of to tell you who to vote.
If you are town, your play is awful :/
Sigh
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On July 26 2013 08:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
Says he likes that I'm posting, wants to leave a vote on me anyway as BosoN said. That, and Lazer isn't getting lynched. I've already said why I'm not posting much right now.
I see BosoN as pretty much confirmed town after defending me when I was such an easy lynch so I'm just gonna go follow his lead, and I like the reasoning.
Nah, not sure I'd like koshi dead today.
His play is abysmal, but I don't think it's mafia-oriented. He seems insecure as fuck and his reaction to my pressure here is a whole other ball game.
Malongo is the way to go
##Vote Malongo
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Heading out. To those in doubt on why he's the best lynch here, read my filter.
Artanis will be a mislynch.
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On July 26 2013 08:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
Says he likes that I'm posting, wants to leave a vote on me anyway as BosoN said. That, and Lazer isn't getting lynched. I've already said why I'm not posting much right now.
I see BosoN as pretty much confirmed town after defending me when I was such an easy lynch so I'm just gonna go follow his lead, and I like the reasoning. Nah, not sure I'd like koshi dead today. His play is abysmal, but I don't think it's mafia-oriented. He seems insecure as fuck and his reaction to my pressure here is a whole other ball game. Malongo is the way to go ##Vote Malongo
Okay, voting him because I trust you and because I know I'm not scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Malongo
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So im still at work for another 3 hours. Ill consider swapping from artanis whwn i get home.
Im concerned about stutters because he seems thoroughly uninterested in our qt whwn i ask him questions nothing comes up. I want him to tlk to me about his reads and his opinions but stutters hasnt responded at all rly.
Permission to vig :p
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Okay, let's just lynch Malongo then. I'm okay with that.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Malongo
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Rainbows can you post the logs?
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If you could do that fast. I gotta go to bed soon. In fact, everyone should post their mason logs. Me + Malongo are already in thread.
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i cant post sgit from my phone.
but it starts off him calling me scum cus lurking then a few exchanges. the last 7 posts are me asking for feedback with no answer.
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VOTE COUNT:
Malongo (4): Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet
Artanis[Xp] (3): Rainbows, Koshi, Lazermonkey, Dandel Ion
FirmTofu (1): Dandel Ion, Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi,
Koshi (1): Malongo, Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (1): Sylencia, Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu
Sylencia (0): raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (0): Lazermonkey
Not Voting (1): ShiaoPi
Deadline is in ~3 hours and 23 minutes. Currently Malongo is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote: Ange777.
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but i will post them when i get home before deadline.
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Well i'm going off now. :/
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##Unvote
##Vote Malongo
Weirdest play -> AFK lynch seems decent to me.
One thing that bugs me about Artanis is how unuseful he's been in the QT
Artanis
07-25-2013
01:25 PM ET (US)
I think Shiao Firm and Dandel are prob town. I'm still too lazy to reread shit.
Artanis
07-25-2013
10:08 AM ET (US)
I need to read Rayn's filter before I can answer you on that.
I'm too lazy to do that right now tho.
Artanis 07-24-2013 07:04 PM ET (US) -Kenpachi cases are an easy way to put pressure on someone and see if they slip up further. Firm's stepping up his posting so I'm pleased with that for now. Rayn's response has been meh. Worth looking at more but cba atm. -Guessing Malongo's shot was fake since nothing happened yet. -Damn, you got me already
Artanis
07-24-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
Actually Lazer is just posting a lot in general, nvm.
REFOCUSSING
How to get reads without reading over things <3 you Artanis, don't shoot me~
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On July 26 2013 09:50 Sylencia wrote:##Unvote
##Vote MalongoWeirdest play -> AFK lynch seems decent to me. One thing that bugs me about Artanis is how unuseful he's been in the QT Show nested quote +Artanis
07-25-2013
01:25 PM ET (US)
I think Shiao Firm and Dandel are prob town. I'm still too lazy to reread shit. Show nested quote +Artanis
07-25-2013
10:08 AM ET (US)
I need to read Rayn's filter before I can answer you on that.
I'm too lazy to do that right now tho. Show nested quote +Artanis 07-24-2013 07:04 PM ET (US) -Kenpachi cases are an easy way to put pressure on someone and see if they slip up further. Firm's stepping up his posting so I'm pleased with that for now. Rayn's response has been meh. Worth looking at more but cba atm. -Guessing Malongo's shot was fake since nothing happened yet. -Damn, you got me already Show nested quote +Artanis
07-24-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
Actually Lazer is just posting a lot in general, nvm.
REFOCUSSING How to get reads without reading over things <3 you Artanis, don't shoot me~
why did you omit your posts? why malongo over artanid when you just said he was not useful??
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Syl, you answer me when you make a garbage vote post like that.
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Sylencia
07-24-2013
11:41 AM ET (US)
As I said in my first few posts - I prefer to have my initial reads here for now, just so that I can see if anything develops overnight.
- I need to go over Lazer's posts regarding setup speculation again to see if there's any slips in logic that he's made - it'd be a weak case but I don't like the Kenpachi cases
- Malongo with his apparent shot is either some weird gambit, he managed to cancel or he only informed Cora of. If it's the last case then I'd honestly want to just lynch him on the spot since it's the dumbest thing a townie could do.
- artanis obv scum etc
Pretty null on the rest atm since I need to go deeper with the posts first. Feel free to add/disagree while I sleep
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-24-2013
07:04 PM ET (US)
-Kenpachi cases are an easy way to put pressure on someone and see if they slip up further. Firm's stepping up his posting so I'm pleased with that for now. Rayn's response has been meh. Worth looking at more but cba atm.
-Guessing Malongo's shot was fake since nothing happened yet.
-Damn, you got me already
What do you think of Rayn atm? I don't like Lazer much either. Seems very defensive and posting a lot about policy.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-24-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
Actually Lazer is just posting a lot in general, nvm.
REFOCUSSING
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Sylencia
07-25-2013
06:47 AM ET (US)
rayn confuses me, because he's called me scummy twice with no reasoning while pushing for others to say I'm more scummy than stutters.
who's looking scummy to you atm since you seem to have relaxed on FT, and idk if you're that on board about rayn potentially being scummy.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-25-2013
10:08 AM ET (US)
I need to read Rayn's filter before I can answer you on that.
I'm too lazy to do that right now tho.Edited 07-25-2013 10:08 AM
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Sylencia
07-25-2013
10:57 AM ET (US)
do you have any reads at all atm <.<
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-25-2013
01:25 PM ET (US)
I think Shiao Firm and Dandel are prob town. I'm still too lazy to reread shit.
cbf edit
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I didn't bother to post my parts to begin with since I felt it was irrelevant, but I guess it gives off the wrong impression -_-
Malongo over Artanis because we can still glean information in the future from Artanis, whereas you get nothing from someone who posts nothing
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I am going to make this easy:
##Unvote
##Vote: Malongo
6 votes mayority lynch. Goodnight!
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malongo not using mason kill? I bet hes town...
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
So I come back in the morning to the weirdest wagon...dafuq
Malongo are you still in thread?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Alright guys fuck it switch off from malongo, he is town I think.
Get your votes on rayn.....
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
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Okay I just got home.
On July 26 2013 11:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
Alright guys fuck it switch off from malongo, he is town I think.
Get your votes on rayn.....
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
No.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Oh and here is my mason log with Dandel (not much in there though to be honest): + Show Spoiler +33 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 11:56 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Sure thing 32 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 11:51 AM ET (US) if the lynch has less than 4 people on it i'm going to hold you fully responisble. 31 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 10:41 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE <3 30 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 10:00 AM ET (US) "catching up" doesnt count just ftr 29 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 09:38 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE lol 28 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:31 AM ET (US) actually maybe it's only 4 hours better go fast! 27 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:29 AM ET (US) If you don't post by the time I go out tonight (in about 5 hours from now) I'm actually going to shoot you dead. I'm dead serious with this one. 26 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:25 AM ET (US) how about you actually play the game, genius? 25 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:15 PM ET (US) brb doing science 24 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:15 PM ET (US) cuntnipples ... sounds like a good idea AN IDEA IS BORN 23 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:11 PM ET (US) wait hold your nipples koshi enters the fray a strong contender 22 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:09 PM ET (US) im calling tofu rainbows and artanis im also calling you a cuntdick gotta kill zbobo somewhere down the road tho, dude is annoying 21 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 09:15 AM ET (US) the door is open but nothing comes out if people only go in there's not gonna be any room left. 20 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 09:12 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE just in case you find yourself in dire straits, just know that my door is always open to you! 19 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:36 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE sure thing little lady 18 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:32 AM ET (US) I'm a beautiful independent townie and i dont need no pimp 17 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:30 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE It's not like I actually intended to use it that early anyway. Dunno why you are so bitter. Only would have killed you if you had not even posted for like 16 hours or something after game start. Now seriously, any chance you might want to talk instead of just being whiny? 16 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) YOU DID NOT SEE IT 15 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) /m12 You're in no-information zone until you behave like a nice boy again. 14 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:26 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE who do you want to kill if firmtofu is not in the game? edit: Did see it already. useless guy, maybe town.Edited 07-24-2013 08:27 AM 13 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:25 AM ET (US) you did not see #11 12 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:25 AM ET (US) but wait i don't want to share stuff with YOU, specifically. The thread just has to suffer your punishment too, because u can read it if i post in thread. fk i just shared something QUICK DELETE 11 Deleted by author 07-24-2013 08:25 AM 10 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:21 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Since you do not want to share stuff with the thread. Mind sharing stuff in here? What do you think about Malango? 9 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:57 AM ET (US) Now if you could stop acting like you own the world it'd be much appreciated. I hate those kinda guys, fyi 8 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:51 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I <3 you too Dandel 7 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:51 AM ET (US) now to read the thread. 6 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:50 AM ET (US) You're already dead. It was nice knowing you. Next time have less of a stick up your ass. Clearly scum trying to look tryhard. 5 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:50 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Well that sounds fun then, definitely a good working relationship we have for this qt. go post or tell me who you are 4 a mysterious being 07-24-2013 07:47 AM ET (US) Not if I kill you first bitch 3 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:03 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Since you seem to be away still I am concluding you are one of Artanis, Stutters, Koshi, Dandel or Rainbows. Just felt like telling you to start posting soon or I am gonna invoke the masonkill (in case it is still available anyway), oh yeah I am shiaopi btw. 2 someone 07-24-2013 12:35 AM ET (US) sooo wanna talk about anything?
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Why not? Look at rayn's posts through the time I was away. Just pointing at Koshi all day long without switching. THen the malongo wagon starts and he says meh, fine I'll jump aboard. But if he really thinks him town why not just shoot him?
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Here's me and Stutters. Pretty uneventful.
+ Show Spoiler +Rainbows
07-25-2013
08:34 PM ET (US)
I WOULD ENJOY SOME CONVERSATION WITH SEXY STUTTERS IF HE EXISTS TYTY
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Rainbows
07-25-2013
04:12 PM ET (US)
okay give me your opinion on someone not malongo or the dude accusing you plz. syl or otherwise
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Rainbows
07-25-2013
03:48 PM ET (US)
Is there a reason we shouldn't lynch Syl today?
I like my artanis lynch but syl seems scummy
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Rainbows
07-25-2013
12:46 PM ET (US)
I recind my townread on Koshi =\ he's being either dumb or scummy
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Rainbows
07-25-2013
12:49 AM ET (US)
Artanis should be lynched today, he's so useless. And as far as I know, he doesn't have a useless reputation.
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
08:30 PM ET (US)
i havent looked into shaiopi that much tbh i need to read when i get home
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
06:51 PM ET (US)
you are far from the scummiest dude. dandel prolly, hes a wilf card. Maybe syl? somebody lurky and blendy
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Stutters
07-24-2013
06:14 PM ET (US)
So who do you think you want to lynch? Myself included, being masoned with me isn't a reason to not lynch me.
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
05:05 PM ET (US)
Okay Lazer looks town. Hates stagnating discussion and doesnt want to focus on just tofu. seems concerned.
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
04:54 PM ET (US)
I posted it in thread where he says 'i dont like how shaiopi posted useless stuff'
He feels really clean which irks me. not a good day 1 lynch but feels fabricated somehow
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Stutters
07-24-2013
02:41 PM ET (US)
Can you link the Shiao part you're talking about with Boson? I'm phone posting but nothing looked that bad to me. Not d1 lynch worthy at least
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
01:37 PM ET (US)
Okay I just reread Malongo's post in his QT and he said "threat" which is a word that I only use as scum. Something.
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
01:27 PM ET (US)
What do you think about Z-BosoN? His play seems really clean to begin with and asking a bunch of easy questions but they don't seem to lead anywhere. The part where he just points at ShaioPi was weird to me.
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
01:26 PM ET (US)
If Malongo is scum then he obviously wanted to make sure the KP from masoning was in scums hands and not towns, which is a very good option. However, he becomes known and is put under scrutiny. I don't know if you can PM the host to deny the killing or not, but why would he openly tell him that he was killing him if scum? Wouldn't he just wait for the kill-post and then explain to the thread?
I'm not sure it makes him scum in that regard but it's something to question him about
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
01:24 PM ET (US)
Do you know Dandel?
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
01:23 PM ET (US)
didn't you just try to get me killed, lol :p
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Stutters
07-24-2013
01:19 PM ET (US)
Anyway if I can get serious for a sec, what do you think of Malongo? I don't get why he would try to kill his mason partner so quick in the day.
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Stutters
07-24-2013
01:18 PM ET (US)
RAINBOWS I MISSED YOU!
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Rainbows
07-24-2013
12:57 PM ET (US)
Yeah I'm scum.
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Stutters
07-24-2013
11:48 AM ET (US)
Yeah, you scum
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Stutters
07-24-2013
11:04 AM ET (US)
You scum?
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Stutters
07-24-2013
09:46 AM ET (US)
What's up
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
rainbows, do you still think malongo to be scum?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
anybody in thread at ~1 hour to deadline? -.-
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On July 26 2013 12:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
rainbows, do you still think malongo to be scum?
Honestly? Probably not. The wagon looks terribly scummy, especially with Sylencia hoping on it. He just self-votes which is stupid as either alignment... He doesn't even vote Artanis to save himself. He just seems not very intelligent with his decision making to begin with.
Does that make him scum? No. Could he be? Sure. I'd rather lynch Syl myself after that atrocious vote post.
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Herp, I'm here. Tired as fuck Lol. Is there anyway possible I can convince you guys to kill Artanis instead? I feel very meh about Malango.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I really dislike lynching sylencia on day 1 but that votepost was indeed horrible.
Why no to a rayn lynch?
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Rayn is rather active, and I don't like lynching active dudes d1. Plus I don't think we have the voting power for it atm.
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Actually I'm really surprised that noone did get mason killed yet. One could excpect either of Artanis or Malangos respective partner to have done that by now...
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
@Zboson:
What is stopping me from voting malango or sylencia is that I'd rather lynch a scumread of mine instead of a "bad townie/possible scum"-read of mine.
I know that he will be terrible to have around endgame (thank you for reminding me of grush and bm -.-), but useless/trollish does not necessarily mean scum. I mean you would have to lynch dandel if you want to policylynch trolly/deadweight townies, but he is pretty much town due to his stupid meta....
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On July 26 2013 12:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
Actually I'm really surprised that noone did get mason killed yet. One could excpect either of Artanis or Malangos respective partner to have done that by now...
Syl seems more like he doesn't want Artanis to shoot him
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And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all...
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We have voting power of four, we can still change if you guys have a better suggestion
Right now I'm super satisfied with malango
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I mean the respective mason partners are sylencia and rayn....
That's another reason why we should kill rayn, I expect a town rayn to just kill malongo instead of making us use a lynch on him, if he thinks him scummy.
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Why does everyone have to be so scummy / not-caring? They can't ALL be scum T.T
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On July 26 2013 12:26 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
Actually I'm really surprised that noone did get mason killed yet. One could excpect either of Artanis or Malangos respective partner to have done that by now... Syl seems more like he doesn't want Artanis to shoot him Which makes it even wierded that he doesn't take a shot...
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I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's useless if anyone doesn't care :p
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On July 26 2013 12:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all...
He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit.
If he's town, he's not playing to his meta.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Dont shoot stutters.
He might be not the most active but he is useful to have around
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On July 26 2013 12:31 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all... He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit. If he's town, he's not playing to his meta.
can you link me a game of his for meta?
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But I want flips l0l.
Maybe Malongo is just lurking until deadline to last minute shoot Rayn if we don't consolidate off of him. Cus if he want to claim scum he'd just shoot instead of voting himself only.
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On July 26 2013 12:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
I mean the respective mason partners are sylencia and rayn....
That's another reason why we should kill rayn, I expect a town rayn to just kill malongo instead of making us use a lynch on him, if he thinks him scummy.
Right, which would indicate that Malango is town unless he is scum with Rayn.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Sorry for tripleposting but is there no chance for you to make a rayn lynch happen?
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On July 26 2013 12:31 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all... He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit. If he's town, he's not playing to his meta. But that's not really relevant though. Is he playing to his scum meta is what is relevant...
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On July 26 2013 12:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Sorry for tripleposting but is there no chance for you to make a rayn lynch happen?
No.
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On July 26 2013 12:31 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all... He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit. If he's town, he's not playing to his meta.
Meta = interest of town
he's being deliberately antitown
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VOTE COUNT:
Malongo (5): Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Sylencia, Malongo
Artanis[Xp] (3): Rainbows, Koshi, Lazermonkey, Dandel Ion
raynpelikoneet (2): FirmTofu, ShiaoPi
FirmTofu (1): Dandel Ion, Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi,
Koshi (0): Malongo, Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): Sylencia, Artanis[Xp]
Sylencia (0): raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (0): Lazermonkey
Deadline is in ~23 minutes. Currently Malongo is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote: Ange777.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
well if boson is happy with his lynchvote we cannot do anything to change the lynch. There are 6 Votes on Malongo and not enough people active.
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On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p
Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead.
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On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead.
Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade.
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On July 26 2013 12:34 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 12:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
And not giving a shit is indicative of what alignment, Z-boson? Does scum not want to stay alive at this point or what? Sylencia's last post is really bad though not necesarily scum motivated at all... He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit. If he's town, he's not playing to his meta. But that's not really relevant though. Is he playing to his scum meta is what is relevant...
Why do you keep going on about this
I already justified that he's 100% anti-town. Him dead = good for town
As an added bonus, he has a fair chance of popping up as scum, given his last post.
If he were town I'm sure he'd use his remaining 3 hours on earth trying to help out.
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On July 26 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead. Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade.
It would be at least a 1-1 trade anyway if we assume that Malango is scum. Why not go for it?
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On July 26 2013 12:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead. Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade. It would be at least a 1-1 trade anyway if we assume that Malango is scum. Why not go for it?
And if he's town and stutters is town then.... fuck?
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On July 26 2013 12:38 ShiaoPi wrote:
well if boson is happy with his lynchvote we cannot do anything to change the lynch. There are 6 Votes on Malongo and not enough people active.
I am happy with the lynch, but if all three of you consolidate I will switch with you guys so long as you choose a decent target (Rayne, for instance, is a horrible target for d1)
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I didn't shoot because him not caring isn't conclusive enough to say he's scum. You guys just said he hasn't done anything, I posted the logs to show nothing happened in the QT either, and that's it.
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On July 26 2013 12:42 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:42 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead. Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade. It would be at least a 1-1 trade anyway if we assume that Malango is scum. Why not go for it? And if he's town and stutters is town then.... fuck? Then stutters needs to play better next time + You have saved us a misslynch.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On July 26 2013 12:44 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:42 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 12:42 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 12:30 Rainbows wrote:
I'm about to shoot Stutters because he's. useless if anyone doesn't care :p Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead. Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade. It would be at least a 1-1 trade anyway if we assume that Malango is scum. Why not go for it? And if he's town and stutters is town then.... fuck? Then stutters needs to play better next time + You have saved us a misslynch.
just no
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On July 26 2013 12:44 Sylencia wrote:
I didn't shoot because him not caring isn't conclusive enough to say he's scum. You guys just said he hasn't done anything, I posted the logs to show nothing happened in the QT either, and that's it.
You have totally missed why I want to kill Artanis it seems... Read my filter. Kill Artanis...
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I'm with shiao on stutters, I'm not anywhere close to being convinced that he is scum
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I'm kinda considering killing tofu. His vote is parked on rayn and he's gone awol. Thoughts?
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And then all we can do is f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 until night post.... =\
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killing = viging, not lynching
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If he flips town I will never forgive you, ever in life. But Dandel did the same thing I fail to see the difference.
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Well, thats it I guess. Malango dies.
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Well, nvm. Let's not get hasty. I still want to see more posts from him
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Disagree with killing tofu.
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On July 26 2013 12:50 Rainbows wrote:
If he flips town I will never forgive you, ever in life. But Dandel did the same thing I fail to see the difference.
you talking about tofu or malango?
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On July 26 2013 12:51 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:50 Rainbows wrote:
If he flips town I will never forgive you, ever in life. But Dandel did the same thing I fail to see the difference. you talking about tofu or malango?
Tofu.
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7 minutes
I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum
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dont kill the tofu now. just his usual absence i think
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On July 26 2013 12:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
7 minutes
I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum
well you would be justified in that :D
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On July 26 2013 12:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
7 minutes
I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum You have my full permission!
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On July 26 2013 12:52 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 12:50 Rainbows wrote:
If he flips town I will never forgive you, ever in life. But Dandel did the same thing I fail to see the difference. you talking about tofu or malango? Tofu.
Yea yea I'm not killing him
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Meh I thought mayority lynch ended when 6 players were reached. Ok I am going to give me a chance to survive then:
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp]
To Z-Boston
I care about the game, but I had a hell of a day and needed to get some sleep.
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##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp]
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Oh here we go, the last minute wagon -_-
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no lynch is horrible
shit
shit
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On July 26 2013 12:57 Rainbows wrote:
It's not no lynch.
Are you sure? I need opinions no lynch or Malongo lynch? go
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Artanis[Xp], as a Mafia Goon, has been kicked to the curb by Sylencia!
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lol okay xD nice shot syl
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Day is over. No talking until the night post.
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doesn't this clear malongo though
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Lololololololololololol.
I feel so fucking good now. I fucking jizzed.
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Night 1
As Kermit the Frog walked into the building, he was startled by a man running out the door right past him, being chased by a woman with her high heels in hand.
"Get back here you creep!" she yelled, throwing her 8 inch heel at the man.
Her aim was good, and Malongo fell over. When he got back up, the lady looked him in the eye and slapped him across the face, making Malongo fall to the ground yet again and lose consciousness.
"I'm not a creep." Kermit told himself. "I'll be fine."
Malongo, as a Vanilla Town, was bitch-slapped out of the Speed Date!
It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours (until 04:00 GMT (+00:00)) to send in your actions to me (Ange is on vacation, do not send her night actions). Day 2 will begin and your speed dates will end shortly after the deadline. The one-time special cannot be used anymore, as Sylencia has already used it.
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All bow before your leader...
With that being said, I'm going to sleep once again.
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On July 26 2013 13:02 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well fuck me sideways
Gladly.
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On July 26 2013 13:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
All bow before your leader...
With that being said, I'm going to sleep once again.
GJ dude :D
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@Scum
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pUcFMjb.jpg)
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Sorry for shooting so late, I wasn't convinced to take the shot until Malongo changed his vote. If he was scum, the last minute wagon on a town Artanis would've been frustrating for us all. I really should've realised how useless Artanis was earlier though, sorry guys :D
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On July 26 2013 13:12 Sylencia wrote:
Sorry for shooting so late, I wasn't convinced to take the shot until Malongo changed his vote. If he was scum, the last minute wagon on a town Artanis would've been frustrating for us all. I really should've realised how useless Artanis was earlier though, sorry guys :D
It's okay you're confirmed town in my book <3 <3 Syl sorry for calling you garbage, etc.
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Lazer and Sylencia are pretty much 100% confirmed townies
Have to think more about rainbows and koshi
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Lets take another look at the votecount (I updated it a bit to show the final one):
On July 26 2013 12:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
VOTE COUNT:
Malongo (6): Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Sylencia, Malongo, ShiaoPi
Artanis[Xp] (4): Rainbows, Koshi, Lazermonkey, Dandel Ion, Malongo
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu, ShiaoPi
FirmTofu (1): Dandel Ion, Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi,
Koshi (0): Malongo, Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): Sylencia, Artanis[Xp]
Sylencia (0): raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (0): Lazermonkey
Deadline is in ~23 minutes. Currently Malongo is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote: Ange777.
For now I am clearing Rainbows, Koshi and Lazer as not to be looked at. Syl is obviously confirmed town.
That leaves us with a pool Stutters, Boson, Rayn, FT, Dandel and myself.
From those commenting on Artanis were the following:
Stutters: No comment on Artanis at all and was voting Malongo
Boson: Defended Artanis from accusations, called him town and led the lynch on Malongo
Dandel: Calls Artanis scummy, but does not follow up thoroughly votes Tofu.
rayn: opposes the artanis lynch, happily jumped aboard the malongo train.
FT:puts some slight suspicion on artanis, wants to get rayn instead but would be happy to kill artanis as second choice.
me: opposed the artanis lynch, wanted to get rayn jumped on malongo after he switched to ensure lynch instead of no-lynch.
Let us also take a look at artanis' filter:
-Okay with FT or rayn being lynched, focuses on ft though.
-Changes to rayn and ft are town
-votes Lazer then proceeds to stupidly sheep Boson
What we can gather from these observations:
-Stutters looks absolutely terrible. Search artanis in his filter and be amazed by 0 results
-Boson would look terrible too, but I think he was simply flat out wrong (as was I) since his filter is giving me townie vibes all over besides the way the lynch happened
-Not much in change of my opinion to rayn
-FT and lazer are probably cleared for now, since both were targets of Artanis early.
-Dandel is dandel so nothing to gain from that.
Conclusively I suggest we kill Stutters or rayn day 2.
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On July 26 2013 13:25 ShiaoPi wrote:Lets take another look at the votecount (I updated it a bit to show the final one): Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 12:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
VOTE COUNT:
Malongo (6): Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Sylencia, Malongo, ShiaoPi
Artanis[Xp] (4): Rainbows, Koshi, Lazermonkey, Dandel Ion, Malongo
raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu, ShiaoPi
FirmTofu (1): Dandel Ion, Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi,
Koshi (0): Malongo, Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): Sylencia, Artanis[Xp]
Sylencia (0): raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (0): raynpelikoneet
Stutters695 (0): Lazermonkey
Deadline is in ~23 minutes. Currently Malongo is set to be lynched!
Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote: Ange777. For now I am clearing Rainbows, Koshi and Lazer as not to be looked at. Syl is obviously confirmed town. That leaves us with a pool Stutters, Boson, Rayn, FT, Dandel and myself. From those commenting on Artanis were the following: Stutters: No comment on Artanis at all and was voting Malongo Boson: Defended Artanis from accusations, called him town and led the lynch on Malongo Dandel: Calls Artanis scummy, but does not follow up thoroughly votes Tofu. rayn: opposes the artanis lynch, happily jumped aboard the malongo train. FT:puts some slight suspicion on artanis, wants to get rayn instead but would be happy to kill artanis as second choice. me: opposed the artanis lynch, wanted to get rayn jumped on malongo after he switched to ensure lynch instead of no-lynch. Let us also take a look at artanis' filter: -Okay with FT or rayn being lynched, focuses on ft though. -Changes to rayn and ft are town -votes Lazer then proceeds to stupidly sheep Boson What we can gather from these observations: -Stutters looks absolutely terrible. Search artanis in his filter and be amazed by 0 results -Boson would look terrible too, but I think he was simply flat out wrong (as was I) since his filter is giving me townie vibes all over besides the way the lynch happened -Not much in change of my opinion to rayn -FT and lazer are probably cleared for now, since both were targets of Artanis early. -Dandel is dandel so nothing to gain from that. Conclusively I suggest we kill Stutters or rayn day 2.
I support the the conclusion here. Rayn deserves more scrutiny especially.
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EBWOP:
My scummy ---> townie list for now:
Rayn, Stutters, Koshi, FT, Dandel, Z-Boson, Lazermonkey, Rainbows, Sylencia
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On July 26 2013 13:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
My scummy ---> townie list for now:
Rayn, Stutters, Koshi, FT, Dandel, Z-Boson, Lazermonkey, Rainbows, Sylencia
Koshi is more green for me, Lazer is nearly full green as well. Z-bo is a bit on the red side.
I'm going to bed.
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Well I would like other comments as well, but I am heading out, will be checking by phone occasionally
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Shiiiieeeeettttt my first right read ever. I did it all on my own guys. I told you. Artanis. Scum. I said it.
Sylencia you are a hero amongst men.
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Actually, it was I who told you morons that artanis was scum.
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Last scum are probably stutters and zboson, but I should probably read the things that happened to be able to attest to that.
Maybe i'll even do that.
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On July 26 2013 00:56 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
##Unvote
##Vote FirmTofu We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon.
This post gave me cancer
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god rayn actually started to play like complete donkeyballs after i was gone
BUT MY FEELS
THEY ARE NEVER WRONG
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1. Z-BosoN
3. Stutters695
6. Raynpelikoneet
8. Rainbows
10. FirmTofu
[[ koshi and syl are "confirmed" town (quotation marks r srs bsns)
lazer and showpee are probably town (close enough)
i'm a town 15th party surviving admiral ackbar dragoon of yore inventing (not scum) ]]
rayn is dumb (?)
Rainbows dunno (really)
Firm is interesting because of reasons (many reasons, not all reasonable though)
Elimination leaves Zbobo and the Stuttette (both of whose blood should flow)
zet iz ze game.
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and this post is just here so i have 8 in a row!
dw im not gonna go full PTP IV on yall
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I'll make a post so you don't have to feel so lonely.
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Owyes, I feel so fantastic today!
So some quick anylyze of what probably happend. Scum genrally never busses hard D1. Yes, it has been done but most of the time the simple answer is the correct one: i.e. the scum team lacked thread control and played bad. As for players.
Dandel, Sylencia, Koshi and Rainbows all look really really good to me.
Rayn actually looks really horrific after that lynch. Ctrl+F "Artanis" in his filter. The first two and a half pages he doesn't take a stance on him at all and barely mentions him. Now, I wouldn't say this is the biggest scum tell but when you look at the game, Artanis was a quite big topic of discussion at times. Rainbows wrote a case, Dandel pushed him. I talked a little about him. Sure, Rayn wasn't the only one NOT to talk about Artanis but I do feel its wierd that he didn't take any type of stance at all. When he suddenly posts this posts
On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. I call him out for it.This is how he answers
On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless. This is the only time that he ever took a stance on Artanis and his explanation is so lack luster that I can't find words for it. What part of his play was logical? Why does that indicate town play? What does he think about the several points that has been brought up by everyone? He doesn't comment on that at all. Instead he proceeds to vote for Malongo who he hasn't mentioned at all prior to the lynch as well. He is first reluctant to vote him because he thinks he is just useless and would rather go for Koshi/Sylencia but in the end he votes him anyway because he rather wants to see him hang than Artanis. But we have 0 knowledge of why that is... O, that's right Artanis was "logical"...
Stutters looks bad as well after this lynch. He actually never mention Artanis one single time in his filter (though he does talk about how he fell for the kenpachi rule 5 times... Not that this is relevant in any way). He doesn't push his top scum read, Malango, at all but instead argues with me. He doesn't take a stance on anyone else except for a really weak town read on Dandel very very early on.
With all that being said, I'm actually getting a bit torn on Stutters, his play doesn't really make sense if he was scum. If he was, he'd knew that his scum buddy Artanis was in trouble. While a straight up defense might be out of the question at that point, why didn't he push for Malango or anyone else? At the time where he left, it was very uncertain who was getting lynched and I it was clear that Artanis was under threat, much more so than himself.
I also think its semi wierd that he doesn't even try to comment on anyone. I know "too scummy to be scum" is a bad way to justify someone's innocence but why doesn't he even try to fabricate some reads? Look at Artanis for example, he actually gives out alot of reads. Some of them, his scum read on me comes to mind, felt insanely forced but he at least tried. Stutters just didn't do shit and was open about that, which actually gives me some town vibes
All in all, I still think stutters look bad but not as bad as he did before...
Z-Boson: TBH I haven't looked too much into this guy but my impression is that he is more likely wrong town than scum. He has been active and it seems like he is trying to figure out stuff. But it is alarming that we have so diferent reads. He also defended Artanis quite a bit.
FirmTofu: I think he upped his game alot since the start. And while I don't like to make associated reads before flip, he is pushing Rayn quite a bit and seems to be certain that he is scum. With that being said though, while he didn't ignore the Malango/Artanis issue, he didn't really take a clear stance on which one of them he wantd to kill the most. He also just left his vote on Rayn which I dislike. Still quite scummy.
ShiaoPi: At first, I thought he looked quite good after the lynch. His play made sense and his reads post flip were very similar to mine. However, he was at first very reluctant to comment on the Artanis/Malango issue. Actually, what gives me a really scummy feeling about him is that he close to dead line comes to the conclusion that Malango isn't scum. What does he do? Votes Rayn... WTF!? So instead of saving the guy he thinks is town by voting Artanis (and let me get this straight, he did not have a town read on Artanis or anything) He places his vote on a guy who isn't going to get lynched, which means the guy who he thinks is town IS going to get lynched. He even asks if a Rayn lynch is happening, gets the answer "no" and still leaves the vote on Rayn... I just don't know -.-
Conclusion: I think we really should kill Rayn tomorrow. I'm kinda uncertain on the other guys, I want to hear them to explain their action + do some scum hunting but right now my order of lynch preference is something like this
1.Rayn
2.stutters
3.ShiaoPi/FT
5.Z-Boson
Jesus, that was a long post : P
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RIP Lazermonkey.
You will be missed.
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Some quick questions regarding your reads
ShiaoPi
Do you really think FT can be considered town just because he was attacked early by Artanis? Scum attacking each other early on in the game is not uncommon at all in my opinion. And attacks early D1 hardly means anything anyway..
Dandel
Why is rayn dumb and not scum?
What does "Rainbow dunno" mean? That you haven't read him or that you are unsure of his alignment?
I don't get what you mean with Firm really,
You seem to be very uncertain of these town reads yet you say that both stutters and Z-Boson are scum via elimination. This doesn't make sense. Either you are really sure of Rayn, Rainbow and Firm being town or procoess of elimination is quite useless.
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Well bad news, I was wrong. Fortunately(or unfortunately if you guys don't believe me) being wrong =/= to scum.
I'll be here for quite a few hours today but some food for thought for anyone thinking this confirms me as scum.
Even if Syl doesn't shoot Artanis there, I'm not playing for an endgame with such a reckless(in retrospect) push on Malongo. If you've read my scum game and think I'm scum, I'd like to think it would be obvious that I'd be doing something much more devious than just pushing a mislynch on one of the weaker players(no offense intended) and leaving myself as an obvious lynch on d2. If I were scum I'd probably have bussed or accused someone like Mal but backed off after Lazer's interaction with me to not be the first person to vote on a lynch that incriminates me.
I'll be looking at the other people on the wagon throughout work today in case you guys do decide to lynch me at least you'll have my thoughts, but hopefully I can make you see reason.
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My favorite lynch targets:
1. Raynpelikoneet (Chaotic wrong)
2. Z-BosoN (Lawful wrong)
3. Stutters695 (Neutral wrong)
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Koshi, don't lynch guys because they are wrong. That's retarded and you know it : )
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You should have let Stutters reply. You ruined everything!
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@Lazer:
I did not want to kill Artanis since I wanted to keep him around for another cycle and see if he would continue to be useless. Therefore I sat on my vote and wanted to off rayn(still want to), my scumread.
In regards to my read on FT the thing that artanis attacked him is more or less the cherry on top. During my interaction with him earlier I was already moving him out of the scummy zone. Also he is a town-leaning null read not a townread
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On July 27 2013 00:02 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Lazer:
I did not want to kill Artanis since I wanted to keep him around for another cycle and see if he would continue to be useless. Therefore I sat on my vote and wanted to off rayn(still want to), my scumread.
In regards to my read on FT the thing that artanis attacked him is more or less the cherry on top. During my interaction with him earlier I was already moving him out of the scummy zone. Also he is a town-leaning null read not a townread So you'd rather kill your town read than the person you think is useless?
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On July 26 2013 22:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
Dandel
Why is rayn dumb and not scum?
What does "Rainbow dunno" mean? That you haven't read him or that you are unsure of his alignment?
I don't get what you mean with Firm really,
You seem to be very uncertain of these town reads yet you say that both stutters and Z-Boson are scum via elimination. This doesn't make sense. Either you are really sure of Rayn, Rainbow and Firm being town or procoess of elimination is quite useless.
I didn't say that
that i dunno (a bit of both)
dw
I eliminate in steps.
Like the old pyramids before they went viral and decided to be all smooth and not steppy at all.
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On July 26 2013 23:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
Koshi, don't lynch guys because they are wrong. That's retarded and you know it : )
Why not?
It's an incredibly useful thing to do. Do that often enough and they'll learn to not be wrong again in the future.
It's for the good of us all.
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Just look at Vivax.
He used to be wrong as shit, then I lynched him 200 times, then he at least contained the bad so it doesn't spread to other people and he's even right (gasp)once every five games or so.
MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT
IT WORKS
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here i go, teaching the nubs all my secret strats
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I have an international flight today, so I will not be active today/tomorrow
I'll try to come up with some reads before I leave
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On July 27 2013 00:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 00:02 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Lazer:
I did not want to kill Artanis since I wanted to keep him around for another cycle and see if he would continue to be useless. Therefore I sat on my vote and wanted to off rayn(still want to), my scumread.
In regards to my read on FT the thing that artanis attacked him is more or less the cherry on top. During my interaction with him earlier I was already moving him out of the scummy zone. Also he is a town-leaning null read not a townread So you'd rather kill your town read than the person you think is useless?
Look at it from my perspective. I come back around lynchtime see a martyr vote and go hmm this is much more likely to come from a townie instead of a scum person. This means that malongo is a townleaning nullread, not a townread. I try to get people to switch on rayn since I also don't want to lynch artanis who was a null read.
Nobody seems willing to switch, at that time we have like 6 on malongo and 4 on artanis and I am not having a foolproof 100% townread on malongo, so I go meh, probably a mislynch but at least it is not on one of my higher townreads and while malongo might be town, he is/was not really useful so I did not object strongly to the lynch after seeing that it is probably between artanis or malongo. Malongo was scummy before the martyr thing, that made him a good deal townier but finally still a nullread(although leaning town). Artanis was just null. I want to kill rayn, not going to happen so fine then kill one of the others it matters not much to me as my single vote was not enough to switch things.
If you believe me to be scummy for this then feel free to do so. I did not like either of the two offered lynches so I became kind of detached and did not really care. But I do implore you to start differentiating when I say townleaning null read and townread, it is a huge deal to me.
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10 hours and 9 minutes left on those night actions.
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I really really really want to lynch rayn. He comes out as scum with Artanis' lynch considering that he defended him so heavily.
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Still catching up on the thread, so give me some time to read.
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Shall I say something stupid so the thread can explode again?
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Hey guys, I just won the game for town. Here are my chats with Z-Boson.
Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
03:51 PM ET (US)
Fuck it
This game is lost to us anyways
scum team is me and rayn.
If you really are traitor, do just that. Prob bus rayn is good, since you are already pushing him.
If you are bluffing, well, gj, at least this game ends faster
#yolo
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FirmTofuPerson was signed in when posted
07-26-2013
03:42 PM ET (US)
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Okay, I'm starting to get a feeling that you are scum. I'm going to take a leap of faith because this is my only chance to win.
I am the traitor. If I name 2 people in your scumteam, I can join it. Right now, I'm fairly confident that it's you and stutters. I'm more confident in you than stutters.
If you are scum, tell me. I can join your team tonight.
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FirmTofuPerson was signed in when posted
07-26-2013
03:38 PM ET (US)
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Are you scum? Be honest. If so, this game is about to get very interesting.
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Here is our (mine and Koshi's) logs+ Show Spoiler +35
Koshi
07-26-2013
05:11 AM ET (US)
yay for us!
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
06:25 PM ET (US)
We really should kill Artanis I think...
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
04:39 PM ET (US)
Not bad, scum...
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
04:31 PM ET (US)
Artanis... sooo bad.
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
03:53 PM ET (US)
Sorry I am a bit late : (. Actually nvm I think you are town after reading throuhg that section once again. very unlikely that scum would do something like that and I actually like your thoughts about artanis.
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Koshi
07-25-2013
03:18 PM ET (US)
Got any questions?
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
02:42 PM ET (US)
You are playing so fucking wierd I don't really know what to make of you. I'm ready for a chat in about 30 minutes I think...
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Koshi
07-25-2013
02:08 PM ET (US)
Or maybe I didn't. Seems like I wrote the message in the thread first. 2 mins earlier.
Oh well.
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Koshi
07-25-2013
02:05 PM ET (US)
lol. It pays off to be a drama queen.
Just for the record. I wrote down the m25 before going crazy in chat :D, you can check that.
I had a feeling people would be mad if I posted that.
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Lazermonkey
07-25-2013
01:25 PM ET (US)
Hmm, why is both artanis and sylencia so reluctant to kill each other? Correct play, no matter what alignment, would probably be to kill each other. It will save us a misslynch pretty much : DEdited 07-25-2013 01:26 PM
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Koshi
07-25-2013
12:06 PM ET (US)
I want to vote artanis today. From my first read I found FT to look town, I still believe that.Edited 07-25-2013 12:06 PM
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Koshi
07-24-2013
04:39 PM ET (US)
I agree that Stutters is not scumhunting. But he is not doing anything scummy except for that.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
04:01 PM ET (US)
Also, you don't even comment on stutters play. Sure, maybe he played bad that one game. Maybe he is really bad as town. Maybe not. But what do YOU think about him?
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:45 PM ET (US)
I'm not talking about being "not agressive", I'm talking about not scum hunting.
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Koshi
07-24-2013
03:39 PM ET (US)
I played with Stutters in Nuclear. He isn't aggressive at all, and an easy scapegoat. He was bad for town that game.
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Koshi
07-24-2013
03:37 PM ET (US)
I added some color in the thread. You can read it there.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:33 PM ET (US)
I'm getting more and more wary of stutters. he seems generally uninterested in finding scum it seems but is trying to appear contributing by posting dumbass policy shit. what's your take on him.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:31 PM ET (US)
Where?
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Koshi
07-24-2013
03:28 PM ET (US)
I think I gave more reasons.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:26 PM ET (US)
So you think he is scum because he says firmtofu and sylencia is scum? By that logic I am scum as well. But you say I'm null. I'm confused...
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Koshi
07-24-2013
03:24 PM ET (US)
I would kill Rayn. I already gave the reasons.
I don't have clear reads yet, always takes me a while to get in the game.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:19 PM ET (US)
Prehaps so but there was a long long time before dead line. and IIRC there were people who disagreed with the suspicions on FT so why did you feel the need to defend him so early? Why not let him do that himself? What do you think about FT then? still null? Do you really not think his actions are alignment indicative at all?
Who would you like to kill the most at the moment? And explain WHY you want to that person!
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Koshi
07-24-2013
03:14 PM ET (US)
I had 2 problems with this game after reading it.
1) Tofu was getting too easily wagoned. I pointed out 2 people I felt did that.
2) I don't like Rayn saying he is now suspicious of FirmTofu or Sylencia. His previous voting for ShiaoPi and harddefending the Kenpachi thing is something I don't approve but dont know if it is scummy.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:05 PM ET (US)
Where are you???
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
02:36 PM ET (US)
So, I'm here right now : ). But why did you say that shit about my post then?
Rayn looks kinda bad because of kenpachi thing and how he failed hard to argue under pressure. But I recently played a game with Rayn where he had 15 page filter after 72 hours of the game. That kind of activity you just don't have as scum. I'll let him post some more tomorrow and see where it leads us.
Also, you opinion!Edited 07-24-2013 02:37 PM
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Koshi
07-24-2013
02:21 PM ET (US)
We have different views. I don't know if you are scum/tow. Null to me.
I am looking at rayn. Your opinion on him?
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
02:16 PM ET (US)
Oki, I'm semi here for some time, in a few minutes I'll be more active!
What is your stance on me?
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Koshi
07-24-2013
02:06 PM ET (US)
You got questions? I am on/off
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Koshi
07-24-2013
01:24 PM ET (US)
I always seem to look scummy on day 1, a bit like FimrTofu.
I don't see any reasons except that silly kenpachi crap why FT is scum this game.
I do see a lot of people jumping on the FT wagon for only that reason. Which I find strange. Which I pointed out.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
12:17 PM ET (US)
Lol.
Okey, I'm ready for a chat in a bit, you? Like in 2 hours maybe?
I needed to get discusion going somewhere. Policy talk weren't productive at all. Now we at least got something to talk about. And I do think what FT did is scummy. Not OMGUSCUM-scummy but still scummy. I'm happy with my vote on him for the time being. Now, I was actually just about to post a bit on why I think you look wierd i the thread but I'll save it for some time, will go and eat some dinner soon. Anyway, you are being quite unclear with your motives this far I feel. You are really just fluffing it up hard core. Sure scum could've started the kenpachi discussion but is it likely? Sure Artanis could both be scum and town. But where are your conclusions? Do you mean that Artanis is scum? Do you mean that scum did start the kenpachi discussion? And I don't get the part on me. Do you think I'm scummy? why? Why so defensive of Sylencia and FT? Why not pursue your own scum reads instead?
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Koshi
07-24-2013
10:01 AM ET (US)
So why are you targeting FT so harshly?
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Koshi
07-24-2013
09:11 AM ET (US)
Oh you are from Sweden. That's perfect.
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Koshi
07-24-2013
09:05 AM ET (US)
Hi.
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Lazermonkey
07-24-2013
03:47 AM ET (US)
Howdy!
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CorazonPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2013
09:45 AM ET (US)
Mason Pair #5. You are allowed to say as little or as much as you want, and you are allowed to change your name on QT to remain anonymous. As long as it is allowed in the thread, it is allowed here. QT messages may be copied and pasted onto the thread. Have fun!
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HAHA, that is sooo hillarious. Such big plays XD
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P.S. I lied about being traitor.
Scumteam is Z-Boson and rayn.
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aww man, way to get my hopes up
GG and nice bluff
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GG Boson, I didn't actually think you were scum.
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On July 26 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:
My favorite lynch targets:
1. Raynpelikoneet (Chaotic wrong)
2. Z-BosoN (Lawful wrong)
3. Stutters695 (Neutral wrong)
Just saying. I knew it.
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Damn. This was such a perfect game
Great people in it.
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On July 27 2013 05:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:
My favorite lynch targets:
1. Raynpelikoneet (Chaotic wrong)
2. Z-BosoN (Lawful wrong)
3. Stutters695 (Neutral wrong) Just saying. I knew it. Haha, what was that thing with stutters all about? Were you actually trying to set a trap or did you really think that that was the scum team? If so, you did really really well!
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On July 27 2013 05:11 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 05:09 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:
My favorite lynch targets:
1. Raynpelikoneet (Chaotic wrong)
2. Z-BosoN (Lawful wrong)
3. Stutters695 (Neutral wrong) Just saying. I knew it. Haha, what was that thing with stutters all about? Were you actually trying to set a trap or did you really think that that was the scum team? If so, you did really really well!
Stutters was there to piss him off :D.
He just made a post about being wrong.
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Being wrong does not mean being scum.
So I gave my 2 scums an extra wrong flavour and added Stutters.
(Which was also my third read)
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The thing is, Sylencia really just won us the game with that shot. Had it not gone off, it would just have been the standard D1 misslynch with a bunch of guys looking semi bad. But with this shot, Rayn was really, truly fucked for example. And Z-Boson went from one of the guys no one had suspected to the guy who was quite suspicous.
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But I am no genius. Could have been anybody. The luck I had this game is epic.
You guys solved it. Perfect shit.
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On July 27 2013 05:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
The thing is, Sylencia really just won us the game with that shot. Had it not gone off, it would just have been the standard D1 misslynch with a bunch of guys looking semi bad. But with this shot, Rayn was really, truly fucked for example. And Z-Boson went from one of the guys no one had suspected to the guy who was quite suspicous.
/signed.
You made the case around Artanis.
Sylencia finished Artanis.
FirmTofu swooped in and fucked the last 2 :D
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GG Z-Boson and rayn. I'm feeling a little guilty about making that play BUT this is good to put on my list of, "Why it is sometimes good to lie as town".
Saved for posterity.
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On July 27 2013 05:08 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG Boson, I didn't actually think you were scum.
You played like a boss, gj
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Actually, Tofu, when thinking of it, that was quite a gambit Lol. What if Z-Boson was townie and really started to believe that you were traitor XD. Haha, that would've been sooo awsome!
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SHIEEEET CAN I QUOTE YOUR OPENING POST FROM SICILIAN?
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Firmtofu his opening post in Sicilian was:
1) no big plays
2) not lieing as town.
And now he does big plays by lieing as town.
What a baller.
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On July 27 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote:
GG Z-Boson and rayn. I'm feeling a little guilty about making that play BUT this is good to put on my list of, "Why it is sometimes good to lie as town".
Saved for posterity. Lol, why feel guilty? That is the play of the century! Easily nominating for "best play" at mafia awards 2013! : D
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On July 27 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote:
SHIEEEET CAN I QUOTE YOUR OPENING POST FROM SICILIAN?
Yes please.
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On July 27 2013 05:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
The thing is, Sylencia really just won us the game with that shot. Had it not gone off, it would just have been the standard D1 misslynch with a bunch of guys looking semi bad. But with this shot, Rayn was really, truly fucked for example. And Z-Boson went from one of the guys no one had suspected to the guy who was quite suspicous.
Pretty much this
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On July 27 2013 05:19 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote:
SHIEEEET CAN I QUOTE YOUR OPENING POST FROM SICILIAN?
Yes please.
On July 16 2013 13:05 FirmTofu wrote:FirmTofu's MegaKickstarting Post:Hey y'all! I know I've been waiting for this game for a long time and I'm sure you all have as well. This game is somewhat non-standard, so there are a few things I'd like to address before we get started. Because this setup is closed, we have to make sure we do not make any unnecessary assumptions that center around speculation about the roles. Speculation is largely a waste of time given the amount of information provided in the OP, so we should stick to the basics. Additionally, we definitely should not be directing blue roles that we aren't even sure exist. Big Plays: If you think of some mastermind play that you think will fool mafia and confuse them, please don't use it. As brilliant as your plan may be, a closed setup has too many variables to account for and your plan could potentially confuse the town more than the mafia. Lying: If you are town, DO NOT lie. If all of town follows this rule, we can separate town and mafia into two distinct categories, liars and non-liars, respectively. We can lynch liars without fear of them flipping town AS LONG AS every town member strictly adheres to this rule. The Traitor:5 mafia, 1 traitor. Anyone up for some math? 5/24=0.20833333333 (5+1)/24=0.25 The one traitor adds about 4% to the strength of the team. As the game progresses, the denominator gets lower. Assuming we don't get insanely lucky, the percentage of mafia will increase over time. The influence of the traitor will start to compound and he will become a greater threat. We obviously need to keep an eye out for the traitor, but specifically hunting for him in the early days will be a waste of resources, in my opinion. How to catch the traitor!The traitor might get antsy and try to drop a few hints for mafia to pick up (to try and join them). We need to stay vigilant to find these subtle hints and make sure we call them out as soon as we see them. PMs:I'm thinking that we should choose our best town reads as PM targets. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with this mechanic, so if a more experienced player can give his thoughts about it, that would be great. This goes without saying, but remember to choose your pm targets wisely! This means NOT wasting both of your choices on Day 1 based on weak reads. Post Count Limit:We have a moderately strict 20 post limit during day. This means absolutely NO one-liner posts. Try to make longer posts that include multiple quotes. Respond to multiple points simultaneously. If you want to give your reads, do it all in one post. We need people to also save posts to ensure they can respond to accusations should they be accused. Plan ahead. Most of this stuff should be obvious, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. Alright, that's all I've got for now. Let's have a good, clean game. GL HF!
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It has lying, Big plays and traitor in it.
This FT.
Balls.
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Just saying called Artanis and boson d1.
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I like how i get no credit for calling out artanis and making the original case and vote on him.
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I don't like it when other people lie, but when I do it it's perfectly okay.
FT Logic™
Ultimately, it comes down to discretion. I usually don't lie unless I think I can use it as a calculated risk. I knew I had an out with my play in this game. If Z-Boson posted my conversation in the thread and told everyone to lynch me, I could just say that I was trying to see if Z-Boson was scum or not.
I think I could have sufficiently defended myself and it would have gotten us a town read on Z-Boson, which I think would be worth it in the long run if Z-Boson was actually town.
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On July 27 2013 05:26 Rainbows wrote:
I like how i get no credit for calling out artanis and making the original case and vote on him.
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I have no idea wha's going on. Good shot Sylencia!
I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day).
Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else.
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I'm just curious...
Is this the shortest game on TL ever in terms of Cycles played?
I'm thinking it's somewhere up there.
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On July 27 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have no idea wha's going on. Good shot Sylencia!
I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day).
Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else.
lol.
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Rayn you're confirmed town didnt we tell you? Happy birthday
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I am not telling him the bad news on his Birthday.
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On July 27 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have no idea wha's going on. Good shot Sylencia!
I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day).
Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else. Lol.
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Who was blue etc cus im vt
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Wait what the fuck. I am not scum.
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Don't tell who's blue. I'm town ffs!
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Okay, rayn is not conceding. Game is not over.
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That means we don't mass claim, kids.
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I don't even know what to say... Z-Boson claimed scum right? Why would he lie about Rayn?
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rayn, have you finished catching up with the thread? You still don't want to concede?
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what thebfuck i thought it was concede
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On July 27 2013 05:43 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, have you finished catching up with the thread? You still don't want to concede?
Why the fuck would i concede when i am town?
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Also when is the deadline?
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On July 27 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 05:43 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, have you finished catching up with the thread? You still don't want to concede? Why the fuck would i concede when i am town? What do you say about Z-Boson claiming scum and saying that you are his scum buddy?
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Z-Boson is scum. Someone shoot him.
Stutters is the other one then most likely.
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rayn just give up dude, no point in trying
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I guess we should start looking for scum again. Lynch/Shoot Z-Boson and rayn.
If we are wrong about rayn, we can work from there.
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On July 27 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Z-Boson is scum. Someone shoot him.
Stutters is the other one then most likely. If he really is scum and you aren't, this is the craziest fucking play I've ever seen... Did you read the whole thread?
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Z-Boson, just post your QT then...
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If we have a vig do Z-Bo. If we don't game goes longer, NBD.
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Or maybe that's against the rules? Lol, I don't even know anymore...
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On July 27 2013 05:50 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Z-Boson is scum. Someone shoot him.
Stutters is the other one then most likely. If he really is scum and you aren't, this is the craziest fucking play I've ever seen... Did you read the whole thread?
Yes i read the thread and i hve no fucking idea what's going on.
All i know is that Boson needs to die asap-
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Imagine there is a traitor and now he guesses Rayn + Bozon and Rayn still has a buddy.
HAhahahaha. This could be epic.
Anyway we go
Z-Bozon
Rayn
--Traitor--
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Z-Boson is not going to do the most massive trow ever.
OR BOSON IS THE FUCKING TRAITOR IMAGINE THAT
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I'm fine of being lynched after Z-Boson is dead. Then you lynch Stutters-
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On July 27 2013 05:57 Koshi wrote:
Imagine there is a traitor and now he guesses Rayn + Bozon and Rayn still has a buddy.
HAhahahaha. This could be epic.
Anyway we go
Z-Bozon
Rayn
--Traitor--
That would suck balls, but I think that's what rayn is counting on. It's probably why he hasn't conceded yet, tbh.
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Inb4 FT and Z-Bo are scum and the traitor claim is just to generate massive town cred for himself. Lol.
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On July 27 2013 06:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Inb4 FT and Z-Bo are scum and the traitor claim is just to generate massive town cred for himself. Lol.
THE PLOT THICKENS
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lol, he's just wasting time...
raynpelikoneet
07-26-2013
04:32 PM ET (US)
What is the chat log? Did you give up?
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Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
11:51 AM ET (US)
After a refreshing sleep the best thing I can come up with is:
you need to look townie and try to avoid getting lynched
I will bus you and try to recover some cred
Then I'll have to win alone in the late game
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Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
12:10 AM ET (US)
Now I'm definitely gonna get fucked sideways
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Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
12:08 AM ET (US)
Sylencia the great lynch bait is now town.
Lazer is confirmed town, as is Rain.
Koshi will be near-confirmed town.
Fucking hell. All that would have been avoided if Artanis didn't get shot. Sigh. Fuck.
I shouldn't have put so much effort in this game, such a waste of time.
/EndOfWhine
GG artanis!
Stutters you still want to try man? I'm feeling completely demotivated now
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Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
12:01 AM ET (US)
and...................................
we are fucked. GG
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Z-BosoN
07-25-2013
08:19 PM ET (US)
LOL.
Whatever the outcome, this will be very funny in the post game
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raynpelikoneet
07-25-2013
08:15 PM ET (US)
rofl
this strategy is awesome ^^
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Z-BosoN
07-25-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
that play doesn't always work out, it depends on who you play against.
Once you flip scum, I will inherently look bad, and my actions will be heavy mafia-favored.
The only thing that can save me is if they decide I was just a dumb townie. However, I think I'm making th emistake of sounding too confident. Let's hope that doesn't bite me later on
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-25-2013
07:58 PM ET (US)
I'm gonna go to bed and not send in the hit to kill Sylencia. Let's pray for the spirit of bad town play.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
07-25-2013
07:57 PM ET (US)
You can always play the scum would never buddy up with eachother this hard card. That's the beauty of the strategy we picked.
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ok, lol. I'm not even sure that's legal play Z-Boson. If he wants to keep playing, you should let him.
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Okay then.. Scum concedes.
why won't you let me play Z-Boson, that's not really fair? :E
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Stutters you still want to try man? I'm feeling completely demotivated now
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On July 27 2013 06:05 FirmTofu wrote:
That was weird.
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never mind It looks like Z-Boson was quoting something.
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yeah, i did not nitice that. however that would have bought me only 1 day.
i was gonna shoot Z-Boson.
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i told him to stay silent.
why the fuck would anyone give up. :/
it's dumb.
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hehehe... If there was a traitor it could have been fun. But ok. lol.
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FT he was trying to frame Stutters by "changing Stutters - rayn".
That would not do any good for me because i would have been dead D3, and i didn't notice it and just read our QT in thread and....
gratz town, you played very well.
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GG rayn. I commend you for trying to keep playing. It's probably what I would do in your situation.
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Yeah, I'm just going to end it here. Endgame post coming up.
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I would have really like to try by shooting Z-Boson. :D
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haha. all vanilla game.
So i would have lost anyways.
Sorry for the team for not playing up to standards on D1, i was really busy with work and tried to read as much as possible. My play gets really hurt as either alignment if i can't be active enough. :/
WP town, especially ShiaoPi. From now on i will lynch you every game if you don't play like this. :D
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Note to self: When people keep saying they're too lazy to scumhunt, they're likely scum.
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On July 24 2013 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Love that kermit song. My first reaction after reading opening post and ShiaoPi claim VT was ...
Euuhm wait, I shouldn't tell you guys. Rain and FT would get upset again.
I can tell you it wasn't "oh I am also VT". It was waaay bigger. I always think big.
Called the all vanilla game. :D
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Sorry for my abysmal play guys. First 24 hours I could've played way better, my excuse was legitimate for the second part though. I don't lie about RL stuff.
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On July 27 2013 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry for my abysmal play guys. First 24 hours I could've played way better, my excuse was legitimate for the second part though. I don't lie about RL stuff.
You were good at Dandeling at first 24h though ^^
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So did Malongo actually try to shoot Rayn?
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Apparently he did according to the scum qt. they were sjitting their pants the entire way lol
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Probably did. :D
I was like "why the fuck does this always happen to me" in scum QT. ^_^
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On July 27 2013 06:31 Stutters695 wrote:
So did Malongo actually try to shoot Rayn?
He did. When I woke up I got 2 pms. One saying kill Rayn and then the next one a couple of hours later saying don't kill Rayn. I thought I'd let it slide.
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On July 27 2013 06:33 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:31 Stutters695 wrote:
So did Malongo actually try to shoot Rayn? He did. When I woke up I got 2 pms. One saying kill Rayn and then the next one a couple of hours later saying don't kill Rayn. I thought I'd let it slide.
Funnily enough, I think scum would have had a better chance at winning the game had you let that happen.
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On July 27 2013 06:36 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:33 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 27 2013 06:31 Stutters695 wrote:
So did Malongo actually try to shoot Rayn? He did. When I woke up I got 2 pms. One saying kill Rayn and then the next one a couple of hours later saying don't kill Rayn. I thought I'd let it slide. Funnily enough, I think scum would have had a better chance at winning the game had you let that happen.
Don't think that is true. Obviously, scum lost badly now.
It would be close to the same situation. 2 scums vs the rest, with malongo confirmed town early on.
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All in all most town played fantastically. I had lazer shaiopi and koshi as solid townie reads pre flip. Glad lazer pushed the artanis wagon because i never have the confidence as town. Again, i had great reads but was passive about lynching them.
Kudos to Syl for essentially double lynching at the wnd there ( told u was good policy )
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On July 27 2013 06:36 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:33 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 27 2013 06:31 Stutters695 wrote:
So did Malongo actually try to shoot Rayn? He did. When I woke up I got 2 pms. One saying kill Rayn and then the next one a couple of hours later saying don't kill Rayn. I thought I'd let it slide. Funnily enough, I think scum would have had a better chance at winning the game had you let that happen.
I would have still lynched Artanis. The malongo lynch option wouldnt have existed.
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On July 27 2013 06:41 s0Lstice wrote:
what a disaster : /
Tell me about it. :D
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Lol
I wake up to endgame?! :D:D:D:D
GG guys! Thanks for hosting! I really like the Mason idea for this game, it makes it a lot of fun and gives room for big plays xD
Well this was pretty much the definition of a perfect storm for town. Town really played a phenomenal game Kenpachi rule got rayn, artanis was vigged and boson came under scrutiny because of it. Even without the traitor gambit of FT (kudos for baller play) I think town had this in the bag pretty much .
On another note, Cora did you lie to me? I thought I had the night immunity to play around with? ^^
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On July 27 2013 09:49 ShiaoPi wrote:Lol I wake up to endgame?! :D:D:D:D GG guys! Thanks for hosting! I really like the Mason idea for this game, it makes it a lot of fun and gives room for big plays xD Well this was pretty much the definition of a perfect storm for town. Town really played a phenomenal game Kenpachi rule got rayn, artanis was vigged and boson came under scrutiny because of it. Even without the traitor gambit of FT (kudos for baller play) I think town had this in the bag pretty much . On another note, Cora did you lie to me? I thought I had the night immunity to play around with? ^^
Oh shit it was you, sorry I got confused. Lots of mafia-related stuff going on today for me.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Haha, its fine
I just would not have played as aggressively without it ^^
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LOL wtf.. Z-Boson that's pretty horrible to just concede without even consulting your scum partner -_-, that said rayn was already pretty screwed for day 2 but still.
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:/ I should have let the hit on ryan, I would have been a hero. Funny thing: I only stopped it because I am learning suomea (Finnish) and was going to ask him from time to time. (Oletko suomalainen? rememmber?).
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GG this town was overpowered anyways.
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