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On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Well, I need to read better I guess -.-
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Hey ShiaoPi dont you really think that Lazermonkey is far better lynch target?
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Well, I need to read better I guess -.- the stuff is weak in that one.
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world.
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Malongo wrote: Hey ShiaoPi dont you really think that Lazermonkey is far better lynch target? Would you care to elaborate on that? I currently don't see a reason to kill him
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On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no?
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On July 24 2013 21:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote: Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'm sorry, I literally don't understand this post at all. Like not even a single bit. I'm no veteran and even if I were, why is my way of presenting suspicions scummy? Isn't the mason pairing random? at least I got paired with some random dude. And what do you mean with "he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings)." Malango plz
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On July 24 2013 17:48 Lazermonkey wrote: We claim our names in QT, we claim who we are in the QT with, I already did it anyway. My partner hasn't posted yet so I'm unable to do that atm but will do that as soon as he does post. I'm assuming right now that everyone
got 1 mason partner, no more no less. scum got 3 players. Every scum player is paired with a town player.
Which doesn't seem very unresonable to me. This means that scum already knows 3 of the mason pairs. Claiming our QTs means that scum will know 3 more QTs by having everyone to claim but town will know 5 more QTs. This is a very favourable trade off for town. Also, more openess is almost always a positive thing for town.
Another thing we could discuss is revealing all posts from the QTs every night. This is an idea we used in Mad men mafia, where we had 6 millers (the ones who chooses a player every day to chat with, not these types, but still) in a 24 player game. Some time before the NK one of the players outed every post made in the QT the last 72 hours. Not only did this give more information to work with for the thread but it also prevents scum from faking posts in the QT if the partner dies. I haven't really analyzed this idea too much, but I think it is probably a good one.
On July 24 2013 21:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:29 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 ShiaoPi wrote: Malongo, clarify please what you meant by "threat" regarding Lazer I meant that he looks more mafioso. The way he presented his suppositions were far more suspicious than a player claiming vet day1. My first thought was that the mason pairing was random and I didnt even realize that mafia doesnt need to mason, but he went all the way a step further: he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings). I'm sorry, I literally don't understand this post at all. Like not even a single bit. I'm no veteran and even if I were, why is my way of presenting suspicions scummy? Isn't the mason pairing random? at least I got paired with some random dude. And what do you mean with"he thought what was actually "good" for the mafia (1 on 1 pairings)."
Its not random if 2 mafia cant be paired. Only the mafia knows for sure if they got 2 of them paired, something not good for the mafia (as they are already in contact).
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@Malongo: The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things.
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I'd be really surprised if mafia can't be paired with each other.
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On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: @Malongo: The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows.
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On July 24 2013 21:17 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand? Tell me, what else does that mean: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt? Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. "what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively This is an implication to you that i want a reason for your claim.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, @rayne You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, @rayne You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. This post implies that I am not town to you. This is pressuring you to answer.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, @rayne You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? This is where you backpedal See, i explain it here. In the set of quotes there is also the post you call Z-Boson town for. I don't understand how you get a town read on him for this as explained. I am not backpedalling, i am explaining what i am doing.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum. Did I miss anything? Yes, that's where i really thought you were scum. However now i am not so sure about it any more as i can see what you mean. However you are wrong if you are town. You started discussion with VT claim. I found that odd and wanted your reasons for the claim. If you think i am scum because of that then there is not much i can answer to you regarding that other than you are wrong. I, like you wanted to start the discussion on something other than setup. Last game (Bluelightz game) i tried playing more passively than usual and see what the D1 was like. Fucking awful.
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I am not sure on that. From a hosting perspective it does make sense to have scum not paired with scum and since the setup is closed it is unlikely that we will get answers for that anyway. It is a nice detail you found, something to keep in mind but not convincing me enought to switch of FirmTofu right now.
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On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: @Malongo: The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired?
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Well, I assumed host made up resonable mason teams and assumed he wouldn't pair two scum together. I think this is a good and not very bold assumption yet its obviously still just an assumption and I wouldn't want to base the whole game around it. However, for early D1 discussion its all good IMO. I interpreted your post as that mafia had the option to chose their mason partners, thus my confusion. I see where you are comming from but I really don't see how it makes scum at all yet you want to lynch me...
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: @Malongo: The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired? Actually this is a good point. Also i don't understand why Lazer said what he did (assuming scum are paired with town - then saying it's likely random).
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@rayn: We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing. Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
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Artanis you still need to answer the monkeys.
I will not forget.
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote: @Malongo: The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired? I meant that mafia knows if they got 2 of them paired. Lazer is assuming there were no mafia paired *but* that the pairing is random. Do you see the flaw? If he really thinks the pairing is random there is no way to assume a 1-1 pairing unless you actually noted that mafia is not paired together.
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The monkeys are key, you see.
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