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I'm going either Getmoript or TAA.
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Corazon
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##Unvote I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying. ##Unvote I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. How is it not TAA? | ||
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austinmcc
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austinmcc
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FirmTofu
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FirmTofu
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote: Actually, that's exactly what it seems like.Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue?I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two. His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information. While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA. I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles. That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote: If you were looking at some of the recent posts that you've made from the outside, they would look really odd and difficult to explain. They really look like you're trying to avoid lynching someone who was redchecked while not calling that person town/not distrusting the cop claim.Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! You may be town and Lieutenant Angrypants may be wrong in calling you scum, but your whole mindset on things since getmoript's claim has been funky. Everyone else isn't going one way because they're overlooking some likely scenario, imo. Like, again, On July 24 2013 08:06 FirmTofu wrote: It's not just about whether TAA is scum or not (and seriously, that reaction was super duper scummy).No, I don't think it is likely that getmoript is not actually a cop. I'm saying it is a definite possibility considering how adamant he has been about his read of TAA. TAA could definitely be scum but considering that I have nothing to go off of except a cop role claim that may or may not be sane, I'm not willing to blindly follow the train on TAA just yet. If you can convince me of his alignment either way, I will definitely be willing to vote him. You're going to vote someone, you're going to have a scumread SOMEWHERE. So it's not solely a question of whether TAA is town or scum. It's a question of whether you trust a different read of yours SO MUCH that you think it's more likely that read of yours is scum than TAA. All of TAA's posts don't HAVE to be scummy, there may be some things that are difficult to explain. But that's true of everyone (probably), and you're going to have that problem with any lynch candidate, TAA or whoever you would prefer. You're almost hesitating about TAA because he may or may not be scum (before this claim stuff that you jumped on). But that's true of most anyone, and the combination of the possible check + definite reaction is, imo, a much larger indicator of scumdiddlyumptiousness than anything you can point out in another person's filter. Note that his reaction wasn't that getmoript was LYING, wasn't that he's town and doesn't want to bother putting up a fight, but was that getmoript was cheating because he didn't even make a case. He didn't just get called scum and choose not to fight it (initially), he got called scum and responded by saying it was lame and getmoript should have made a case. The problem a townie has with a redcheck on them is "I'm not red." The problem a mafia member has with a redcheck on them is "Boooooooo." | ||
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Onegu
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FirmTofu
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On July 24 2013 12:54 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually, that's exactly what it seems like.That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue? No, I didn't know TAA was potentially blue. TAA was null-scum at that time, but not in my top 3 scumreads(Close, but not quite there). When he claimed blue, specifically roleblocker, I knew he had to be axed. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 24 2013 13:09 Onegu wrote: I don't know. Been at trivia last few hours and haven't fully processed the odd RB claim and Tofu's continued insistence that TAA might be scummy but his reaction was totally cool and maybe he's not scum and everyone else should make cases including references to these specific posts.@Austin it looks like you are just explaining to firm why TAA is scum... Does thismake you feel a scumread on Tofu? That started out a much smaller post, and then I kept finding things that I was confused about, but yeah, in some ways that's me overexplaining why TAA is scum. Honestly I mostly want to sit back and watch some of these claims play out. There's a lot of information that we get as to whether these are real or fake claims, and I'm not the most motivated right now to hunt everyone everywhere when I think there's scum getting lynched, which will then inform us about other scum based on the flip and whether he's actually a RB of any alignment, and then we move from there. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 24 2013 13:01 austinmcc wrote: If you were looking at some of the recent posts that you've made from the outside, they would look really odd and difficult to explain. They really look like you're trying to avoid lynching someone who was redchecked while not calling that person town/not distrusting the cop claim. You may be town and Lieutenant Angrypants may be wrong in calling you scum, but your whole mindset on things since getmoript's claim has been funky. Everyone else isn't going one way because they're overlooking some likely scenario, imo. Like, again, It's not just about whether TAA is scum or not (and seriously, that reaction was super duper scummy). You're going to vote someone, you're going to have a scumread SOMEWHERE. So it's not solely a question of whether TAA is town or scum. It's a question of whether you trust a different read of yours SO MUCH that you think it's more likely that read of yours is scum than TAA. All of TAA's posts don't HAVE to be scummy, there may be some things that are difficult to explain. But that's true of everyone (probably), and you're going to have that problem with any lynch candidate, TAA or whoever you would prefer. You're almost hesitating about TAA because he may or may not be scum (before this claim stuff that you jumped on). But that's true of most anyone, and the combination of the possible check + definite reaction is, imo, a much larger indicator of scumdiddlyumptiousness than anything you can point out in another person's filter. Note that his reaction wasn't that getmoript was LYING, wasn't that he's town and doesn't want to bother putting up a fight, but was that getmoript was cheating because he didn't even make a case. He didn't just get called scum and choose not to fight it (initially), he got called scum and responded by saying it was lame and getmoript should have made a case. The problem a townie has with a redcheck on them is "I'm not red." The problem a mafia member has with a redcheck on them is "Boooooooo." Bolded relevant. At the time, I trusted my reads of jrkirby and TanGeng to enough to offset the likelihood that all of the following were true regarding getmoript: 1) Telling the truth about his claim 2) Target was not framed 3) Is a sane cop(implying not paranoid/insane) The probability of all of these events occurring simultaneously was not particularly high in my mind, so I thought that it was be best to trust my own scumreads before jumping on getmoript's wagon. You make good points about TAA, all of which I have considered and are part of the reason why I'm currently voting for him. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Someone spent a long time either arguing that he wasn't definitely scum or ... something else, calling other people out, not understanding why fake claiming a thing that didn't exist was just a 100% scum tell. It was such a huge distraction and he was so adamant that he was right that I ended up vigging him N1 because I could not believe he was town. Turns out, he was town. We were all scummy on him because he made no sense regarding a claim, but it doesn't make sense to make no sense as mafia when confronted with a claim. It's just not the way to go about trying to save a scumbuddy. So right now I'm unsure, will look over his filter a couple times tomorrow and wait for this flip. | ||
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austinmcc
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getmoript
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Here is the quote in question. On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating The correct rational town response is to consider whether: 1) Town would do this when accused. 2) Scum would do this when accused. 1-> This is bad town play. Town probably wouldn't do this when accused. The correct town play would be to post a defense of themselves and counter-attack their accuser. 2-> Scum wouldn't do this when accused either. This is terrible scum play. Why would they bring about unwarranted suspicion upon themselves? Thus, we can conclude that TAA's post is bad, but not 100% alignment indicative. It's bad play, sure, but I don't think you can say that it implicates him beyond reasonable doubt. As time went on, I started to grow on the TAA lynch. TAA didn't defend himself for a long time, making me more suspicious of him. The nail in the coffin came when he claimed blue. It was far too convenient. TG had just claimed rb'd and it looks like TAA is using the claim as an opportunity to exonerate himself. Add to this that a bunch of other blues have already claimed that look less scummy than he does and I no longer could justify not lynching him. | ||
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getmoript
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Just because it isn't good scum play doesn't mean it's not human nature. It's FAR more likely to come from scum because of mindset. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 24 2013 13:35 getmoript wrote: No dude, you're wrong. There are lots of times when it's correct to claim scum when caught. You'd be amazed how much you can fuck up and derail a thread after you claim scum. I am unfamiliar with the meta on this site. Do scum actually do this? On July 24 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So what would scum do FT? Good scum would try to mimic the correct town response as closely as possible to make their response and a town's response in their situation virtually indistinguishable. On July 24 2013 13:37 austinmcc wrote: Scum inherently knows they're scum. You get called out when you're scum, especially if you aren't used to it, and your mindset is "Oh crap, I got caught." It's terrible scum play, yes, but it's a product of you KNOWING you're scum, KNOWING a check is real. Just because it isn't good scum play doesn't mean it's not human nature. It's FAR more likely to come from scum because of mindset. This is a fair point. I hadn't considered that. | ||
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