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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 24 2013 04:44 GMT
#1201
What FT?
So you basically cannot claim scum cause its bad scum play?
WHAT?

Ok the way I see it, is that the two mindsets are different. The town mindset is that geript is scum.
I dont see any indication of that in the post.
The scum mindset is that you are caught. Oh shit.

Yeah.
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 24 2013 04:45 GMT
#1202
On July 24 2013 13:34 FirmTofu wrote:
Thus, we can conclude that TAA's post is bad, but not 100% alignment indicative. It's bad play, sure, but I don't think you can say that it implicates him beyond reasonable doubt.
What implicates him is the redcheck itself. Like I've had getmoript in my scum column most of the game. But once the cop claim happens, that's it. There's like no good reason scum fakes that (unless like I said getmoript and oats are both scum which is super unlikely).

On July 24 2013 13:17 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 12:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea!
Actually, that's exactly what it seems like.
On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two.

His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information.

While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA.

I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles.

That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.

That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue?

No, I didn't know TAA was potentially blue. TAA was null-scum at that time, but not in my top 3 scumreads(Close, but not quite there). When he claimed blue, specifically roleblocker, I knew he had to be axed.

You said "we should hold of on lynching potential blues" when trying to talk people out of voting TAA even though we had no reason to think he was blue @ the time. Tell me how this isn't a slip.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 24 2013 04:50 GMT
#1203
I didn't really understand Oats' post so I'll just respond to JJD.
You said "we should hold of on lynching potential blues" when trying to talk people out of voting TAA even though we had no reason to think he was blue @ the time. Tell me how this isn't a slip.

I was never trying to talk people out of lynching TAA. That's where you go wrong. I said hold off on lynching potential blues because I didn't want anyone voting getmoript, Onegu, or cDg. Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#1204
You said that nothing was a scumslip
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#1205
Since it was bad scum play. And clearly scum dont play badly.
No gg, No skill.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 24 2013 04:53 GMT
#1206
I think you should all hold off on your accusations of me until the flip. I'm done answering these questions. Austin had the only good ones anyway.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 24 2013 04:55 GMT
#1207
Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.

Does this look fucking weird just to me?
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 24 2013 05:01 GMT
#1208
On July 24 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.

Does this look fucking weird just to me?
That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim.

I say scumslip.
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 24 2013 05:12 GMT
#1209
On July 24 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.

Does this look fucking weird just to me?
That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim.

I say scumslip.

When I read it initially after your comment on it, I thought he was talking about Corazan. I was rather surprised by his first response to your questions. I can see it from both sides and it's possible it is a slip, but I don't think it's as damning as you make it out to be.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 24 2013 05:28 GMT
#1210
It looks a lot like he is stating what he should know as per thread. But it doesnt read well/natural.
No gg, No skill.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
July 24 2013 06:49 GMT
#1211
VOTE COUNT:


Oatsmaster (1) jrkirby; cDgCorazon; JarJarDrinks

TheAwesomeAll (7) getmoript, JarJarDrinks, FiveTouch, TanGeng, Onegu, FirmTofu, austinmcc

TanGeng (0) FirmTofu

Not Voting: (3) TheAwesomeAll, cDgCorazon, Oatsmaster

Lynch is in ~23 hours. Voting is mandatory.


With 11 alive, 6 are required to lynch.

Currently TheAwesomeAll is set to be lynched!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 24 2013 09:33 GMT
#1212
Just a quick little round-up.

On July 24 2013 13:24 austinmcc wrote:
Honestly, this reminds me of times where someone reacts INCREDIBLY WEIRD/WRONG to a claim, and then ends up being town but we killify them because ... nobody can understand what they were going on about. There was a game where mattchew claimed self-aware miller on D1 when millers weren't self-aware. He got lynched, flipped scum.

Someone spent a long time either arguing that he wasn't definitely scum or ... something else, calling other people out, not understanding why fake claiming a thing that didn't exist was just a 100% scum tell. It was such a huge distraction and he was so adamant that he was right that I ended up vigging him N1 because I could not believe he was town.

Turns out, he was town. We were all scummy on him because he made no sense regarding a claim, but it doesn't make sense to make no sense as mafia when confronted with a claim. It's just not the way to go about trying to save a scumbuddy.

So right now I'm unsure, will look over his filter a couple times tomorrow and wait for this flip.


yes:

On July 24 2013 08:16 FiveTouch wrote:
You might just be town for this incredible weirdness, Firm.

If TAA somehow flips town, you look pretty terrible though.

~marv


On July 24 2013 08:17 FiveTouch wrote:
getmoript: I don't really get why a scummer would fight against a redcheck the whole town is going to be voting for, that's the thing.

~marv


On the claim:

On July 24 2013 09:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Hi guys since im prolly not gonna see the light of another day im gonna tell my role and such.

I am the roleblocker! I blocked the role of TG night 1 because he barely escaped the lynch and i assumed he was scum. Because of this i also made the following post:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

i didnt want people to draw huge conclusions from the TG RB since i simply RBed him because he was considered most likely to be scum. Its kinda late to do damage control and such but w/e.


On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that.


Nothing more to say on that one.

On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.

##Unvote

I'm going either Getmoript or TAA.


Are you off your face on meth?

~marv


Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 24 2013 09:37 GMT
#1213
Oh and because my mafia memory is awesome, austin: It was Ottoxlol in LVII.

~marv
Artanis & marv
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
July 24 2013 09:52 GMT
#1214
Can someone tell me why cora is scum? His claim actions were a bit odd and why he checked himself and his reads are way off, but Im not seeing scum...
Try TL Mafia!!!
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 24 2013 09:54 GMT
#1215
On July 24 2013 18:52 Onegu wrote:
Can someone tell me why cora is scum? His claim actions were a bit odd and why he checked himself and his reads are way off, but Im not seeing scum...


"Here's a bunch of reasons he could be mafia, but I'm not seeing how he could be mafia. Guise???"
Artanis & marv
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
July 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#1216
So Jkirby isnt looking to good either. His filter is a bunch off fluff and tunneling oats. At one point he says he has a slight scum read on TAA and Rayne, then the next post is checked thier filters and they arent scummy. He has been lurking alot although he does claim irl things. But I just get the feeling the scum team is a bunch of lurkers this game.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
July 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#1217
On July 24 2013 18:54 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 18:52 Onegu wrote:
Can someone tell me why cora is scum? His claim actions were a bit odd and why he checked himself and his reads are way off, but Im not seeing scum...


"Here's a bunch of reasons he could be mafia, but I'm not seeing how he could be mafia. Guise???"



Yeah but I dont see any of that comeing from scum, he just looks confused to me.
Try TL Mafia!!!
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#1218
On July 24 2013 18:58 Onegu wrote:
So Jkirby isnt looking to good either. His filter is a bunch off fluff and tunneling oats. At one point he says he has a slight scum read on TAA and Rayne, then the next post is checked thier filters and they arent scummy. He has been lurking alot although he does claim irl things. But I just get the feeling the scum team is a bunch of lurkers this game.


I agree with this post.

On July 24 2013 18:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 18:54 FiveTouch wrote:
On July 24 2013 18:52 Onegu wrote:
Can someone tell me why cora is scum? His claim actions were a bit odd and why he checked himself and his reads are way off, but Im not seeing scum...


"Here's a bunch of reasons he could be mafia, but I'm not seeing how he could be mafia. Guise???"



Yeah but I dont see any of that comeing from scum, he just looks confused to me.


You might be right. VE thinks you're wrong, and I'm all up in the air. I'm not thinking about it too much right now and hoping some clarity comes to me at a later time ;p

~marv
Artanis & marv
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
July 24 2013 11:27 GMT
#1219
I am wondering why rayn got off of firmtofu he was tunneling him hard then barely mentions him later.
Try TL Mafia!!!
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 24 2013 12:29 GMT
#1220
On July 24 2013 14:12 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 24 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.

Does this look fucking weird just to me?
That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim.

I say scumslip.

When I read it initially after your comment on it, I thought he was talking about Corazan. I was rather surprised by his first response to your questions. I can see it from both sides and it's possible it is a slip, but I don't think it's as damning as you make it out to be.
It's not something I wouild lynch based on solely. But I've thought he was scum for a while for reasons already stated. Add to that his reaction to your claim and I think you can easily put him in the red column whether that was a slip or not.
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