EPTDo with that what you will. You should still /all/ be voting for Malongo.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Do with that what you will. You should still /all/ be voting for Malongo. | ||
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Ace
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VisceraEyes
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
saying "polarised" and being useless* isn't enough for the effort you have spent *although he hasn't been useless he has simply yet to start scumhunting rayne just said this: gumshoe - PM'd me and tried his best to get me to answer him when i was at work. Wanted to claim to me after i explain how my role works to him. A strong towntell. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 18 2013 02:30 Vivax wrote: I've been masoned by someone who I talked about previously, didn't mason anyone on my own yet. The guy I masoned claimed that he did something somewhat scummy on purpose to draw reactions. I'll tell you who I'm masoned with and eventually more about our exchange once I've talked a little more to him and see if he gives his consensus. I stick to my opinion that S & B is scum, and I think that his first post is all you need to catch him. From a PM with the other guy: I kinda had half a feeling to post a list too but I feel like I should stick to what's relevant: Talking about scum. S & B has clearly put in more effort since, and I don't see anything scummy in his posts since the first (but I'll surely reread them to make sure). If he's scum he's currently putting in effort in a way that doesn't suggest he could be. That doesn't automatically undo the previous reasons, too often have I fallen for the mistake of lessening the importance of earlier actions as the game progresses (which I think is a general fallacy everyone is subject to). Other guy who looks bad is SlOosh for his defensive reactions and lack of followup. I'll be up for lynching him and encourage him to post more ASAP. To put it simply: I don't see any intention of finding scum in his posts yet, but he reacts quite happily to accusations. I be readin' more now. Any questions to me should be directed to constable Guido first. okay i get that you didnt like my first post. it wasn't a great post, although i think there were good reasons for everything i said in there. specifically, if anyone has been following my other ongoing game they should see that i've been taking a lot of flak for inactivity, i thought i would try and head that off but it clearly hasn't worked (also this game is much easier to be active in because of the post limit). But i've tried to discuss these points with wiggles and explain where i was coming from, do you have any comment on that? is there even a point in trying to engage with you given that you're continuing to critique my first post and ignoring everything else i've done since then, but i'm still apparently your main top scum read? also @ace and layabout the thing about malongo is that he's posted multiple times at very different times, showing that he's been following and reading the thread, but he's never actually engaged the game or who is mafia or who he thinks we should kill or any of that meaty stuff. that said, what do you two think of VE? (12/20) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Ace your posts so far are horrible. Can you read the thread and give your opinion on things? We have 20 posts/person/dayphase, do not waste them with useless stuff. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
or that gumshoe appearing to trust you isn't alignment indicative but that trying to win your trust (claiming to you) it not necessarily the townie thing to do? also if i thought you were scum then i would push to l_ _ _h you. you can fill in the blanks yourself strong i think VE needs to explain why he thinkskholly is mafia. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Vivax
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Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve @wiggles: Did you read my second post? It does not seem like it. Anyway I think you might be getting too caught up in my language. Do you disagree with my reasons for finding oatsmaster, sloosh, or VE scummy? Or just with the way that I phrased it and the fact that I decided not to pm oats right away? Cause the latter doesn't make much sense as a reason to suspect me. Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne @DrH if you get a chance can you tell me why im on your scum list? Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne/Malongo Can you look at my filter for my accusations/suspicions towards other people than oats and tell me what you think, do they support the me-being-scum narrative. Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Ve/Vayne/Malongo But i've tried to discuss these points with wiggles and explain where i was coming from, do you have any comment on that? is there even a point in trying to engage with you given that you're continuing to critique my first post and ignoring everything else i've done since then, but i'm still apparently your main top scum read? What you notice from this is that S & B hardly pursues SlOosh and Vayne since his initial suspicion. I don't understand how his preferences form, and if I compare it to thread sentiment, he seems to follow it (which is rather subjective and is a point I don't necessarily want to rely on as main argumentation, I'd have to find every post talking about Vayne and compare it to his post timings, but it's more or less what I gained from the timeline of events). Mainly though, S & B is very concerned with people suspecting him, he regularly attempts to draw responses from people he didn't claim to be scummy in his opinion, which clearly shows a defensive mindset. His main concern should be to get information from his scumreads or getting them lynched, instead, he prefers to spend more time finding reasons from non-scumreads to have him as scumread. The nature of some of the questions also shows a subtle hostility: "Why should I even talk to you, I already defended myself" being the last example. I'm curious as to where he stands with SlOosh and Vayne now. As answer to S & B: I saw your response, but I think it missed the point. IIRC Wiggles himself touched upon that post not adressing the main cause of our suspicions. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:53 layabout wrote: rayne have you considered that Ace may not have done his reading and notes and shit? or that gumshoe appearing to trust you isn't alignment indicative but that trying to win your trust (claiming to you) it not necessarily the townie thing to do? also if i thought you were scum then i would push to l_ _ _h you. you can fill in the blanks yourself strong i think VE needs to explain why he thinkskholly is mafia. Yeah but the first thing when you replace into a game / when a game starts is to read OP. Not to ask "wtf should i do".. Yes i have considered the gumshoe thing and came into conclusion that it's far more likely that he is town. If you read the logs between us and come to a different conclusion or if there is something that supports him being mafia i'll reconsider. We have a postlimit this game, why are you questioning me and not your scumreads? That's kinda what you should be doing if you are town and think i am town. I think we should lynch into Sloosh/VE. I don't even know which one to prefer to be honest. Let's see who of those two can make better posts with the remaining time. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
@Gumshoe: Why are you so active in this game? I am referring to your play in the Nuclear game. You got killed in the lynch of day 3. Because you only cared to post one time over a timespan of 144 hours. I am bitter about that. So your mad at me for playing more townie? I can go ahead and lurk again if you like, I was not as interested in the last game because I was coming off a crushing loss in Basterd mafia, if you want an example of my actual town play read that game, that and I didnt get any nukes, bad of me yes, but not at all a good reason to call me scum. Townie play is townie play. Furthermore we dont need to hear this. I have been staring at this thread for over 3 hours now, 2 hours yesterday and now and hour before typing this, and I have come to the conclusion that I can't bring an extra perspective on a lot of these accusations between people. I understand what I am reading, but I can't analyze it further and give it even more meaning. Like this whole discussion between DH and Tofu, I read everything, even the logs from Rayn, and I can't even get a small feeling in my head/gut if somebody is scum. So I am going to give up on trying to get a gut feeling while reading stuff, I will just read it and move on. And this. Reason: I don't have much to say and I hope he is able to keep me from the lynchtable on Day 1 by making posts that make others look worse than me. Your reads are fine and reads dont need to be 100 correct all the time, the important thing is that you make them so that we can comment or elaborate on them and witness your sincerity. Not posting analysis because you think you wont be helpful is the only truly useless thing you could do. Ve Theres alot I dont like in this post. @SnB My post wasn't useless and spammy. Not a single person has mentioned any of the names I brought up, so saying that's "something we all already knew" is ridiculous. I let the thread know that I'm watching for those names to crop up in particular because of how long they've taken to enter the fray combined with the fact that at least two of the names are known to be good scumhunters (sorry Node). I will say that Node has a tendency to get a case of the fo's in games so his absence is less of a surprise, but I was personally looking forward to playing with him. @Yamato If I found anything worth mentioning, I would have mentioned it. You watch me and call me scum in every game. This game will be no exception. Go away. @Town Scum have no motivation to post because no one is making them post. Everyone is just pointing fingers at people who have posted for dumb reasons. If you were scum, would YOU post at a time like this? 1: I do think his post was useless, no one forgets about afk characters, and there are 6 scum out there so someone at least is active which makes his whole scum dont have to poste argument of his silly, seeing as they clearly feel the need to. 2: Here he trys to character assassinate Yamato based off meta, who I find has done fine this game. It's an easy way to attack town without catching fire. 3: Hes pretty much dismissing town as incompetent... how does this help? What have learned from this post? Pretty much that Ve thinks hes right and that all of town is incompetent/wrong. Oh and his tunnel on Malongo is getting kinda old. But his useless read is not wrong, can someone pm Malongo? See if they can get anything out of him? Cause Im not sure he'll improve his thread performance even if he is town. Question Ve, who else is scum other than Malongo? Also Is Oats posting of your interactions true? If so why have you been so hostile to him if you do find him too dumb to be scum? Don't you think that at the very least you should try and talk with him? Why do you feel the need to play so aggresive as town? Knolly: Welp I have no masons left XD and would appreciate some discussion with anyone who wants to go ahead and pm me. So I talked to knolly, hes kinda crazy, don't think hes scum, why do people think hes Chez? Hes also curios why scum haven't accused him, which is valid, if I were scum I'd probably see him as an easy target, is it because I accused him and they didn't feel comfortable sheeping me? I'll get off him for now. I can post our logs if anyone wants them, but not too much value there yet. ##Unvote Knolly Layabout: I always thought that rolefishing was scummy and that roleclaiming to someone is simply a means to win their trust. Rolefishing after someone has already revealed their role is not rolefishing, I was just asking for elaboration, do you honestly think if I was on scum team no one there would know what a pardoner is? (Its not a brand new role) Or that I'd make such an obviously risky request? As for the role offering your free to think whatever you want, that was supposed to be private and I'm not commenting on it. Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours wow VE why are you pushing Malongo that start to make me think Ve is town. Vivax: His source is either Tofu(code name hippy) or Dh(code name the doctor), more likely Dh because several people have alluded to him being in pm land and Dh has an existing scum read of Strong, just not a thorough one. Dh has clearly not been transparent with who hes been pming contrary to what he said at the start, perhaps thats the mistake he made to look scummy that Vivax mentioned? As for Vivax himself, I agree with his reads so far ( Sloosh seems kindy iffy for not following up or scum hunting and most of his posts are in defence of himself) and Strong. Vivax has fair reads and hes bringing new info into the thread, reads townie to me. He'll keep it up hopefully, Constable Guido is a dick though, def scum. Oats: Gonna downgrade him to null, hes tangled up in so much pm traffic its and hes so abrasive its hard for me to call him scum. Tofu: We really need to hear about someone other than Dh, what do you think of hapa? Putting my vote on Ve for now, like others have said he just doesnt feel interested at all in contributing and dispite trying to keep count he treats his posts with excpetionally little value. He's not, that's the problem. :/ I really just want to know why no one wants to lynch Malango. Can we just lynch Malango please? And what do you think of Malango's most recent contributions to the scumhunt kush? KHolly has also masoned me and has attempted no conversation whatsoever. It's like he did it just to troll or something. Do with that what you will. You should still /all/ be voting for Malongo. Thats 5 posts wasted in quick succesion that all say pretty much the exact same fucking thing. Not even Oats is this bad, hes clearly just trying to get his agenda across, not make the most of limited posts with diverse scum hunting. Also this Aren't you sick of rolling scum Chez? This post doesnt even have a point or purpose... Even worse this I think in that second quote you attributed one of Rayn's quotes to gumshoe didn't you MZ? Kinda cornfusing because of the quotefail in there, but I think it was Rayn who said that sir. He feels that a small glitch clarification that has nothing to do with anything deserves its own post... Almost as if he values cheap townie points over actual scum hunting. Ve has 14 posts, half of them are pretty much one liners and he hasn't bothered asking for more. ##:Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote: Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? What has Sloosh actually done that's more than VE? Talked about setup and defended himself. I would not call that as effort. As i said earlier i'm not sure which one of those two i want to lynch, VE looks equally bad. There are questions asked from both of them and i'm waiting for them to answer. As for sloosh lurker moda, this is pretty close to lurker mode... | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours dont be stupid that isn't reasoning.that start to make me think Ve is town. also 14 posts in over 3/4 of the day is fine. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I don't find his posting to be unnatural and I don't think it's strange for him to be slightly concerned about being lynched considering how inactive he normally is and how much heat he often takes for that. On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote: Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I will explain why in like 2 hours. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: What has Sloosh actually done that's more than VE? Talked about setup and defended himself. I would not call that as effort. As i said earlier i'm not sure which one of those two i want to lynch, VE looks equally bad. There are questions asked from both of them and i'm waiting for them to answer. As for sloosh lurker moda, this is pretty close to lurker mode... Well I have little more than an hour before I have to leave for work, so I need to arrive at a dcent conclusion quickly. Of the two I've posted about, I'm more confident about VE being scum than MZ. MZ has been useless as town in games past, so perhaps waiting and seeing if/when he does anything is the best course of action for him. You think Sloosh is a decent lynch, which I'm initially hesitant to. I've seen Sloosh have bad day 1s on more than one occasion, but you are right that he hasn't posted anything meaningful in a while. I'm still more comfortable lynching VE, but Sloosh I suppose is a decent second option if you all don't see him return by the deadline and VE starts bursting with towniness. Really, I'd rather lynch VE. He's more than capable of being useful as town, but as we see this game, he's relegated himself to only posting about lurkers and not much else. Generally, when his scumhunting attempts are this pathetic, he's mafia. Town VE would have shown that he cares about finding mafia, but scum VE would have largely resigned himself to his fate at this point, given how many people are suspicious of him. I think it's obvious which VE we're seeing here. ##Vote VisceraEyes I'all try to stick around as long as possible to see if anything more interesting is brought up, but right now, this is the best course of action. | ||
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