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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:24 Z-BosoN wrote: Can you be more specific? I really dislike his D3 play at the very least, and still think that silent nukes were produced, implicating him.13. VayneAuthority + Show Spoiler + Pretty unmistakably townie play in this D2 deadline. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote: Chill dude. Get a drink, do some jumping jacks, stretch a bit. Then return with your wisdom ^^ I hope he sees this. Kind of feel the same way right now except I also feel guilty or being gone during the action. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:26 austinmcc wrote: Can you be more specific? I really dislike his D3 play at the very least, and still think that silent nukes were produced, implicating him. You are OMGUS-ing. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
And I agree with all your reads. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
In the D2 deadline I see a dude who was previously voting maju switching over to jampi, after spending the day mainly arguing with firmtofu and then calling him scum. I see a dude who voted Chez D3 and never really talked about, swapping over to talking about snb and I. I see a dude who was scummy on snb on D2/N2, then doesn't mention him at all during D3 when he's a lynch option. Set aside the part with the silent nukes and the raid. Z-BosoN says VA's play around the D2 deadline is what makes him townie. What I remember is that, after being on maju or firmtofu ALL DAY, VA does this 30 minutes before deadline: On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now. When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript. ##unvote ##vote: Jampi Leading to the following responses: On July 12 2013 06:37 jampidampi wrote: Actually, how did you end up with that conclusion? Here is my filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754&user=jampidampi On July 12 2013 06:41 Xatalos wrote: VA, how were you suddenly convinced on jampidampi? Seems like some meta reason but.... It's just sudden. On July 12 2013 06:44 FirmTofu wrote: It's actually extremely convenient. At first I was shocked, but now I'm starting to realize that it's probably a move to bus him. Still, he did say that geript shouldn't defense the nuke on him, so I'm still skeptical. Even if Vayne is town, that doesn't mean jampidampi is town as well. It does make it a bit more likely, but I'm not sure if it justifies a Maju lynch. i.e. people going "wtf is this sudden change" --> i.e. something that wouldn't make me give VA a strong town read based upon just the D2 lynch | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 15 2013 06:57 geript wrote: @Stutters... So if you're town and you know the nuke is fake then why aren't you trying to lynch Maju? Pretty sure I explained this earlier. We aren't getting endgamed tonight unless crazy shit happens. People thought I was lying about my role PM and thus I'm a detriment to town that you have to deal with. By letting my nuke go off and show it wasn't real/the missile defense saying they are places rather than people, it completely negates the need to deal with me if town has a brain. So by that logic lynching Maju actually only saves town a death, even if we assume that a Maju lynch actually reduces KP. (Nk+mislynch+nk) compared to mislynch 2nk, maju nk. If there was assurance of this kill reducing KP I would have been all about it however without that insurance there was a 50% chance of kp rounding up, making absolutely no difference in the amount of deaths of town and it makes me an obviously horrible lynch. Combined with my belief that Austin was scum, the necessity of dealing with the SnB/Onegu situation it was a gamble I was willing to take. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:41 Stutters695 wrote: Pretty sure I explained this earlier. We aren't getting endgamed tonight unless crazy shit happens. People thought I was lying about my role PM and thus I'm a detriment to town that you have to deal with. By letting my nuke go off and show it wasn't real/the missile defense saying they are places rather than people, it completely negates the need to deal with me if town has a brain. So by that logic lynching Maju actually only saves town a death, even if we assume that a Maju lynch actually reduces KP. (Nk+mislynch+nk) compared to mislynch 2nk, maju nk. If there was assurance of this kill reducing KP I would have been all about it however without that insurance there was a 50% chance of kp rounding up, making absolutely no difference in the amount of deaths of town and it makes me an obviously horrible lynch. Combined with my belief that Austin was scum, the necessity of dealing with the SnB/Onegu situation it was a gamble I was willing to take. No. Nothing close to it. Nothing close to it at all. If you are lynch bait, then you're lynch bait because you've not helped in scum hunting. If you're lynch bait, then you're that because you've played exceptionally anti-town. If you're lynch bait, its because despite the fact that you fucking know that your fucking nuke is a complete fucking fake YOU are completely fine with not trying to lynch the absolute best fucking scum suspect we fucking have and instead let him live another day. IT IS NEVER A GOOD GAMBLE TO LET 100% SCUM LIVE A SINGLE EXTRA DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as I'm conerned, the lynch order is Maju then you then Austin. I can't even fathom why with as much fucking lurking is going on in this game you're willing for any reason to let scum sit free for a day as town. There's no reason for it whatsoever. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:33 johnnywup wrote: Boson: why isn't Sentinel bolded? He nuked a scum. I mean, it could be a bus but I doubt it. And I agree with all your reads. I have the same question. Anyways I'm home. I can't really be mad since I didn't push anyone, so I was pretty much useless this day. Now I believe Stutters' role a little more. What I doubt is the alignment of the role. We've seen a NK technician on both sides so painting the words a different color could be used without much suspicion. On July 15 2013 02:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Where at? Does this mean you know about the types of nukes now? I want both these questions answered please. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:37 austinmcc wrote: Can YOU be more specific? In the D2 deadline I see a dude who was previously voting maju switching over to jampi, after spending the day mainly arguing with firmtofu and then calling him scum. I see a dude who voted Chez D3 and never really talked about, swapping over to talking about snb and I. I see a dude who was scummy on snb on D2/N2, then doesn't mention him at all during D3 when he's a lynch option. Set aside the part with the silent nukes and the raid. Z-BosoN says VA's play around the D2 deadline is what makes him townie. What I remember is that, after being on maju or firmtofu ALL DAY, VA does this 30 minutes before deadline: Leading to the following responses: i.e. people going "wtf is this sudden change" --> i.e. something that wouldn't make me give VA a strong town read based upon just the D2 lynch You weren't very specific at first, that is why I said that. Now I take it back but I will still be more specific. Vayne basically counterclaimed you hard D3 and that was pretty much all I remembered I his interactions with you (left an impression on me, that did) so I thought you were OMGUSing. Turns out maybe no. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:58 geript wrote: Look Stutters, I'm sorry. I really do apologize for stepping way over the line there. If you're town, then I hope you understand why I don't think anyone will buy your excuse. I really want to believe you. IDK why my gut says to believe you, but honestly I just can't. Too much adds up that between you and Ace, you have to be the scum. Yet I agree with most of what you said "over the line". | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
Again what radiation does. Original Message From Artanis[Xp]: Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. And yeah, you don't have a nuke. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 15 2013 08:11 strongandbig wrote: yeah you guys are all dipshits whatevs idgaf Very helpful you get a gold star. Why aren't you scum? If not you who? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 15 2013 08:01 Alakaslam wrote: I can't speak to the claim at all. I know what I did. I don't know if vayne is lying or if people who don't have factories don't get notified AND he doesn't have a factory.You weren't very specific at first, that is why I said that. Now I take it back but I will still be more specific. Vayne basically counterclaimed you hard D3 and that was pretty much all I remembered I his interactions with you (left an impression on me, that did) so I thought you were OMGUSing. Turns out maybe no. But his play itself is not something I read as townie. His D2 towards the lynch, his D3 in the afternoon, refusing to speak AT ALL to snb's alignment especially. he RAGES after the lynch, doesn't want to play, etc. etc. All that rage from a guy who refused to look into snb before the lynch. If he couldn't be bothered to actually hunt for scum on D3 and take a look at the candidates, then he's got no reason to be pissed after the lynch. His D2 reads bad/meh, his D3 reads bad to me, and his conduct right before and after lynch are not consistent with what I'd expect from a townie. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 15 2013 08:22 Alakaslam wrote: I'm more concerned with his play than his role. I believe him to be scum, but I don't have particular reason to think he's lying about the claim, so I'd think he's more likely to be a goon than not.You think Vayne is Kenpachi or goon then? | ||
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