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Stutters695
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Oatsmaster
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why so scum? | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
Xata claimed I added nothing to the discussion but I think that the two people I suspected early on were scummy at the time and have still not proven themselves to be town and are suspected by other players so I think they were pretty good reads and that I did add to the cases against them. I also need to point out I'm not necessarily scum just because jampi was town. He wasn't even my first choice, I just listened to town as a show of good will. For all anyone knows if there had been different people active in the thread advising me on who to nuke I would've targeted scum and opinions on me would probably be a lot different. The target of that nuke should have no effect on a read of me. I think there have been stronger and better substantiated cases made on people such as VA, austin, and geript than on me and I'm unsure why there's so little discussion going on before voting for me. It seems odd that no one is looking at other possibilities. | ||
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geript
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
geript and Z-BosoN were pushing a CA lynch D1, you can check that on the vote list. geript doesn't want to go for DI at all. Eventually jumps on the ON train. But while going for CA he posted this gem. I though FirmTofu could make bad lists but this one is either completely out of context or just really really bad. Z-BozoN is also casually mentioned. Dandel Ion is mentioned twice and had some extra content between (), same for oats. I don't know why they are special... Well, 1 is confirmed to be special, not to mention that his scums are the medic, the alive confirmed town, CA and myself...+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 14:09 geript wrote: Ok so here's a few very important lists. Town if you have a nuke and you absolutely have to fire it, then you need to fire it at one of the following people (my personal preferences are in red): Dandel Ion (if he doesn't post again) ghost_403 Oatsmaster (if he continues to not do anything) Stutters695 Z-Boson Abenson MajuGarzett strongandbig TanGeng Caucasianasian jampidampi Nirvana.Gabo If you're really daring, you can also fire it at these people, but I expect these guys to be given a day 1 pass: Austinmcc Dandel Ion (if he actually posts something worthwhile) Oatsmaster (if he actually decides to play) FirmTofu As everyone will notice there are 14 fucking different names on this carpet bombing list out of 27 players and at least 6 of which are complete fucking lurkers. And then on top if it there's Chezinu who we need to figure out what we're going to do with as Ace has pointed out. So you guys need to get your asses in high gear to do your jobs as a townie because not all of those guys can be scum. I understand that this is a theme game and it's got nukes. Plus it's always fun to win with style, but it's WAAAY more fun to win than to lose with style. And it's even worse to lose because you played a game where half the players are dead weight. Z-BosoN eventually stays on CA even if it was a call out of the blue (Xatalos his words), but also wants to jump on an austin train. + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: wait wait, I can totally do austin Anyone else? Connection between Z-BosoN and geript? + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:22 Z-BosoN wrote: It seems that people are willing to policy lynch. If it's a policy lynch, I would rather CA, because I think he's a better choice, because I agree with gerupt (see my filter, I commented on this earlier). And then this gem. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote: Geript is not getting lynched, WoS. Who else would you want to lynch? Sooooo, you would think that they are good friends right? Or at least trust each other to be town: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2013 09:44 Z-BosoN wrote: Z-BosoN's Digest A shitfest of crap All right, I'll take this time to go over some things that I feel are important. First of all, I want to apologize for playing like shit. I was a bit busy the last few days and am a bit drowned by the amount of stuff I have to read here, so I was mostly posting lazily, going with gut feelings instead of actually doing any sort of analysis. I seek to correct that. Secondly, I am completely unsatisfied with my reads. I feel like they are all shitty and wrong. My scumreads don't really make sense. This is just a vague outline of some of the players that I have notes on atm. I decided to post this anyways in the name of discussion. Even though I hate this fucking text to my core, I hope you guys read it still. First of all, let me establish who I'm confident is town: Xatalos - duh Oatsmaster - I find it hard for him to claim and save MZ, being scum. Seems chill in his posts. [Uon]Sentinel - Unless it's some ploy to nuke your afk buddy to gain towncred, I'm considering him town for now. People who I think may be townie, but not too sure: FirmTofu - Seems to be trying to figure things out. Despite being wrong, made a fair case on jampidampi. Not worrying about him too much. Onegu - his posts feel genuine. He posted somewhere that he "knows that Xatalos is 100% town". This is pretty scary for a beginner in mafia to post, I think. WaveOfShadow - He claimed, but I dunno. His activity level kinda dropped later on once people started laying off of him, but some of his posts seem really genuine as well. Should be left alone for now I think. johnnywup - Originally I thought him scummy, but after rereading his filter, his posts feel pretty genuine. Also, at one point, he posted "someone claim please" at a timing that would just feel awkward for scum. I dunno. Intuition and general feeling aside, judging from his contributions and his general posts, I would totally view him as scum, however, he has done very little in terms of scumhunting. Who knows. Alakaslam - He picks on me to better the quality of my posting, yet his own quality of posting is crap. He is very irreverent and useless in his posts. However much I don't like his play, he doesn't seem as scummy as I thought earlier, upon rereading his filter. Ugh, again, my brain wants to paint him black. And now a more shady region, where I have as null: Geript - Right now I have him as either town or a pretty good scum. As I was catching up to the thread and making my notes, he seemed to strike on some details in certain posts that were very fair. He started the game with a strong presence, looking quite townie. Later on, however, his play dived into a much weaker version of the initial geript. The post he made right after day1 lynches caught my attention This pretty much screams defense to me, and I view this post as pretty unnatural. Just like eminem in 8-mile, he's dissing himself so people won't use that against him later on. This has been amplified now that we know that Dandel was in fact scum. Another thing that annoyed me is him shooting down jampidampi nuke. So unnatural.. and I didn't find his explanation the least bit reasonable. Nevertheless, the townie thing to do would be to verify if people agreed with the nuke and whatnot, but ended up saving us a lynch. The change of attitude towards his lynch choice vs. the lynch choice of others in day two was pretty different from that same thing in day one. While in day one he thought DL was a mislynch, and tried as hard as he could to sway votes away from DL, in day two he decided to go to jampi fairly easily, not putting muhc of a fight. However, his activity is fairly high and shooting the nuke down just like that is calling attention to himself as scum. So yea, townie, or good scum. I don't want to lynch him tomorrow, so let him be for now. Don't even know why I decided to share my feelings here. austinmcc: Had a fairly bad start, and there are some things in his filter that would still make me suspicious like hell. I could go on about some of that, but his general activity seems to have me disinterested, for now. Rayne had a good point on him, though: EDIT: now that I see that austin has high activity levels as scum as well, this prompts me to paint him red as well. More on him later I guess. Ace: Spends a ton of time speculating. Most of his activity is rather useless and he doesn't seem to try to take a dominant spot amongst town. He loves to talk about peoples plans, and how this play and that play is stupid or not (here I refer to Rayne's play and Geript's play). However, one thing in a scum-ace scenario kind of troubles me. Ace spent a bucketfuck of time discussing and arguing how rayne's plan was necessarily scum-favored and that he was scum because of it, etc. This seems like a tedious thing to pursue if you are scum, like seriously. Normally I'd paint him green because of it, but I've heard that his scum-play is pretty good, so I'll keep him here in this mosh pit. ------------- I decided to go at length on these three players because I want to see if people agree with my say on them or not. I wanna still puzzle myself on the rest of the players to see if I can find anything else of value. The rest of the peoples I didn't add also go in this region. And now, towards my current shitlist. VayneAuthority - this post immediately put him on my watch-list: This seems to be a pointless post that ponders the different scenarios and draws no real conclusion from it. The main argument I have against him is how he claims he was "pretty confident" that rayne was town. Vayne mentioend afterwards that rayne does that type of shit as town. Here is his post after rayne's flip: Now, as we can easily deduce, Vayne was pretty damn confident that rayn was town. As you all remember, there was a huge shitfest discussing whether or not the rayn nuke claim made him scum or not. Now, I ask you, as a townie who feels strongly about a dude you've played with being townie, what do you do? a) Defend him. Explain how this is something a town rayn would totally do (VA gave me this explanation later on). b) Shove off the discussion expressing how you are fed up with it. The difference is subtle, but if you look at the three posts VA made during the whole discussion: Here you see a different, incompatible story. From the three posts above, he thinks rayn is town, and wants to stop the discussion because it is clogging up the thread. Not because he thinks rayn is town or whatever. He doesn't even mention that rayn normally does that type of stuff as town. Please read the interaction which starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=116#2312 And let me know what you think (right now I'm not sure if I'm nitpicking or if I stumbled upon the holy grail of finding Vayne scum) Next guy I want to point out is Kosh. Not much to say on him, but he comes into the thread fairly well, with a list describing some of the players and not really drawing too many conclusions. He complains the thread is slowing down: Letting us know that he likes action and shit. Goes on to describe some more of the players, putting his scum vote on tofu. He makes a rather weak case against tofu that's entirely based on the fact that tofu didn't approve VA getting shot down. Ok, he might be on to something, I still have to review tofu, but he doesn't seem to push his reads at all. Makes a weak non-committing statement: When town is active on the maju vs jampi debate (thread = sped up), he makes spectator-like comments regarding the game, instead of jumping in on the discussion: I dunno, I kinda feel he's scum. Anyways, give thoughts if you will. How is geript in "The Z-BosoN Digest" leaning towards scum? It doesn't make any sense, If you are such big friends in the entire thread, even the last post of Z-BozoN is saying he personally will make sure that a geript lynch is not going to happen. I also suggest you read the Z-BosoN filter (only 4 pages), you will see that Z-BosoN never asks advice from geript, or puts geript on the spot. While Z-BosoN does this with others. Imo they are secretely talking to each other in the hidden scum forum. They just make leaps towards each other that we are missing in this thread. The interaction between them is off? I don't know how to explain it propperly but can somebody please look at this and give me their opinion. ________________________________________________________________________________ Ok so the editing in this post is a bit off, I started with a text and added stuff in between and now I can't make it look good again. But the TLDR: ----> Together on the CA lynch, respect each other. ----> Keep mentioning each other on their scum lists in the gray area part ----> Are not putting pressure on each other ----> Going even further and Z-B taking it personal when WoS points fingers at geript | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
--> I don't see why Austin is scum, Austin and Xatalos were disagreeing in the beginning of the game but still. Maybe it is experience between each other. But I want to believe Xatalos on Austin. My targets are 1) Geript 2) Austin | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Why are you so inactive? Could you please explain this. It isn't forbidden to have a life outside mafia but it is making you look bad :D | ||
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geript
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote: TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT. geript (0): johnnywup (0): Chezinu (2): WaveofShadow (0): Onegu (1): austinmcc (0): raynepelikoneet (0): Z-BosoN (0): Dandel Ion (8): strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, ghost_403 (0): VayneAuthority (2): CaucasianAsian (1): Oatsmaster (0): jampidampi (0): OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Alakaslam (0): TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated! On July 12 2013 07:00 ShiaoPi wrote: DETONATION CONFIRMED - Final Day 2 Votecount Ace (0): jampidampi (12): austinmcc (0): XigXag (0): MajuGarzett (3): VayneAuthority (2): MajuGarzett, [UoN]Sentinel (1): CaucasianAsian FirmTofu (0): PLACE OF DETONATION: jampidampi has been obliterated! 2. Ghost_403 3. Oatsmaster 4. Stutters695 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 8. Ace 9. MajuGarzett 10. Johnnywup 11. Onegu 12. Geript 13. VayneAuthority 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 19. CaucasianAsian 20. Alakasam 21. WaveofShadow 26. Chezinu 27. austinmcc The more I stare at this, the more I think the votes are spread out. The fact that XigXag never voted Day 2 suggests that mafia wasn't concerned about how votes were turning out. XigXag probably didn't vote to give us little information as possible. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
I narrowed down my previous list to: 5. Z-BosoN previous list: + Show Spoiler + 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 13. VayneAuthority 22. jampidampi | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
WHY DIDNT YOU GUYS GIVE ME NUKES>!?>!> | ||
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geript
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 13 2013 21:34 geript wrote: @Koshi. Do you think that both Austin and I are scum? I think you are scum with Z-BosoN I don't think Austin is scum but out of respect to Xatalos I am going to put him on spot number 2. So if it comes to a lynch, everybody knows how I will vote. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
On July 13 2013 22:17 geript wrote: @@Koshi. Look I understand that you're new and/or bad and/or scum. My personal bet is new and bad considering you're making rather insane pre-flip associations. As Marv would put it, too mental to be mafia. I'll link a guide when I'm not on phone. But you really need to stay away from pre-flip associations. But basically you need to look at both sides of the argument. Not just.. This could make X person scum but also this could make X town and weigh the two. In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines. -Proverbs 18:17 | ||
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Chezinu
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 13 2013 13:00 Onegu wrote: I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan This is the third time you mention you'd love to lynch me. While I'm flattered, what is stopping you from making a case on me? Also, why do you want to lynch me even if I'm null? Who are your top scumreads? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
On July 13 2013 22:58 Z-BosoN wrote: This is the third time you mention you'd love to lynch me. While I'm flattered, what is stopping you from making a case on me? Also, why do you want to lynch me even if I'm null? Who are your top scumreads? He is an immune one...thus it makes since for him to want to lynch the strong one. wait nuke MZ...*checks date of post* uhh.. I'm confused... | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote: If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you. Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense. Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.' So, if I piss you off enough, you'll lynch me? You should ask for advice, you know, on how to play and such. We aren't lynching geript because: 1) I reread his filter and after thinking about it it's completely not what a scum would do to risk yourself stopping a nuke against a townie. 2) There are much better lynch options. More on 2) later. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 13 2013 20:23 Koshi wrote: So I found this connection between geript and Z-BosoN: geript and Z-BosoN were pushing a CA lynch D1, you can check that on the vote list. geript doesn't want to go for DI at all. Eventually jumps on the ON train. But while going for CA he posted this gem. I though FirmTofu could make bad lists but this one is either completely out of context or just really really bad. Z-BozoN is also casually mentioned. Dandel Ion is mentioned twice and had some extra content between (), same for oats. I don't know why they are special... Well, 1 is confirmed to be special, not to mention that his scums are the medic, the alive confirmed town, CA and myself...+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 14:09 geript wrote: Ok so here's a few very important lists. Town if you have a nuke and you absolutely have to fire it, then you need to fire it at one of the following people (my personal preferences are in red): Dandel Ion (if he doesn't post again) ghost_403 Oatsmaster (if he continues to not do anything) Stutters695 Z-Boson Abenson MajuGarzett strongandbig TanGeng Caucasianasian jampidampi Nirvana.Gabo If you're really daring, you can also fire it at these people, but I expect these guys to be given a day 1 pass: Austinmcc Dandel Ion (if he actually posts something worthwhile) Oatsmaster (if he actually decides to play) FirmTofu As everyone will notice there are 14 fucking different names on this carpet bombing list out of 27 players and at least 6 of which are complete fucking lurkers. And then on top if it there's Chezinu who we need to figure out what we're going to do with as Ace has pointed out. So you guys need to get your asses in high gear to do your jobs as a townie because not all of those guys can be scum. I understand that this is a theme game and it's got nukes. Plus it's always fun to win with style, but it's WAAAY more fun to win than to lose with style. And it's even worse to lose because you played a game where half the players are dead weight. Z-BosoN eventually stays on CA even if it was a call out of the blue (Xatalos his words), but also wants to jump on an austin train. + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: wait wait, I can totally do austin Anyone else? Connection between Z-BosoN and geript? + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:22 Z-BosoN wrote: It seems that people are willing to policy lynch. If it's a policy lynch, I would rather CA, because I think he's a better choice, because I agree with gerupt (see my filter, I commented on this earlier). And then this gem. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote: Geript is not getting lynched, WoS. Who else would you want to lynch? Sooooo, you would think that they are good friends right? Or at least trust each other to be town: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2013 09:44 Z-BosoN wrote: Z-BosoN's Digest A shitfest of crap All right, I'll take this time to go over some things that I feel are important. First of all, I want to apologize for playing like shit. I was a bit busy the last few days and am a bit drowned by the amount of stuff I have to read here, so I was mostly posting lazily, going with gut feelings instead of actually doing any sort of analysis. I seek to correct that. Secondly, I am completely unsatisfied with my reads. I feel like they are all shitty and wrong. My scumreads don't really make sense. This is just a vague outline of some of the players that I have notes on atm. I decided to post this anyways in the name of discussion. Even though I hate this fucking text to my core, I hope you guys read it still. First of all, let me establish who I'm confident is town: Xatalos - duh Oatsmaster - I find it hard for him to claim and save MZ, being scum. Seems chill in his posts. [Uon]Sentinel - Unless it's some ploy to nuke your afk buddy to gain towncred, I'm considering him town for now. People who I think may be townie, but not too sure: FirmTofu - Seems to be trying to figure things out. Despite being wrong, made a fair case on jampidampi. Not worrying about him too much. Onegu - his posts feel genuine. He posted somewhere that he "knows that Xatalos is 100% town". This is pretty scary for a beginner in mafia to post, I think. WaveOfShadow - He claimed, but I dunno. His activity level kinda dropped later on once people started laying off of him, but some of his posts seem really genuine as well. Should be left alone for now I think. johnnywup - Originally I thought him scummy, but after rereading his filter, his posts feel pretty genuine. Also, at one point, he posted "someone claim please" at a timing that would just feel awkward for scum. I dunno. Intuition and general feeling aside, judging from his contributions and his general posts, I would totally view him as scum, however, he has done very little in terms of scumhunting. Who knows. Alakaslam - He picks on me to better the quality of my posting, yet his own quality of posting is crap. He is very irreverent and useless in his posts. However much I don't like his play, he doesn't seem as scummy as I thought earlier, upon rereading his filter. Ugh, again, my brain wants to paint him black. And now a more shady region, where I have as null: Geript - Right now I have him as either town or a pretty good scum. As I was catching up to the thread and making my notes, he seemed to strike on some details in certain posts that were very fair. He started the game with a strong presence, looking quite townie. Later on, however, his play dived into a much weaker version of the initial geript. The post he made right after day1 lynches caught my attention This pretty much screams defense to me, and I view this post as pretty unnatural. Just like eminem in 8-mile, he's dissing himself so people won't use that against him later on. This has been amplified now that we know that Dandel was in fact scum. Another thing that annoyed me is him shooting down jampidampi nuke. So unnatural.. and I didn't find his explanation the least bit reasonable. Nevertheless, the townie thing to do would be to verify if people agreed with the nuke and whatnot, but ended up saving us a lynch. The change of attitude towards his lynch choice vs. the lynch choice of others in day two was pretty different from that same thing in day one. While in day one he thought DL was a mislynch, and tried as hard as he could to sway votes away from DL, in day two he decided to go to jampi fairly easily, not putting muhc of a fight. However, his activity is fairly high and shooting the nuke down just like that is calling attention to himself as scum. So yea, townie, or good scum. I don't want to lynch him tomorrow, so let him be for now. Don't even know why I decided to share my feelings here. austinmcc: Had a fairly bad start, and there are some things in his filter that would still make me suspicious like hell. I could go on about some of that, but his general activity seems to have me disinterested, for now. Rayne had a good point on him, though: EDIT: now that I see that austin has high activity levels as scum as well, this prompts me to paint him red as well. More on him later I guess. Ace: Spends a ton of time speculating. Most of his activity is rather useless and he doesn't seem to try to take a dominant spot amongst town. He loves to talk about peoples plans, and how this play and that play is stupid or not (here I refer to Rayne's play and Geript's play). However, one thing in a scum-ace scenario kind of troubles me. Ace spent a bucketfuck of time discussing and arguing how rayne's plan was necessarily scum-favored and that he was scum because of it, etc. This seems like a tedious thing to pursue if you are scum, like seriously. Normally I'd paint him green because of it, but I've heard that his scum-play is pretty good, so I'll keep him here in this mosh pit. ------------- I decided to go at length on these three players because I want to see if people agree with my say on them or not. I wanna still puzzle myself on the rest of the players to see if I can find anything else of value. The rest of the peoples I didn't add also go in this region. And now, towards my current shitlist. VayneAuthority - this post immediately put him on my watch-list: This seems to be a pointless post that ponders the different scenarios and draws no real conclusion from it. The main argument I have against him is how he claims he was "pretty confident" that rayne was town. Vayne mentioend afterwards that rayne does that type of shit as town. Here is his post after rayne's flip: Now, as we can easily deduce, Vayne was pretty damn confident that rayn was town. As you all remember, there was a huge shitfest discussing whether or not the rayn nuke claim made him scum or not. Now, I ask you, as a townie who feels strongly about a dude you've played with being townie, what do you do? a) Defend him. Explain how this is something a town rayn would totally do (VA gave me this explanation later on). b) Shove off the discussion expressing how you are fed up with it. The difference is subtle, but if you look at the three posts VA made during the whole discussion: Here you see a different, incompatible story. From the three posts above, he thinks rayn is town, and wants to stop the discussion because it is clogging up the thread. Not because he thinks rayn is town or whatever. He doesn't even mention that rayn normally does that type of stuff as town. Please read the interaction which starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=116#2312 And let me know what you think (right now I'm not sure if I'm nitpicking or if I stumbled upon the holy grail of finding Vayne scum) Next guy I want to point out is Kosh. Not much to say on him, but he comes into the thread fairly well, with a list describing some of the players and not really drawing too many conclusions. He complains the thread is slowing down: Letting us know that he likes action and shit. Goes on to describe some more of the players, putting his scum vote on tofu. He makes a rather weak case against tofu that's entirely based on the fact that tofu didn't approve VA getting shot down. Ok, he might be on to something, I still have to review tofu, but he doesn't seem to push his reads at all. Makes a weak non-committing statement: When town is active on the maju vs jampi debate (thread = sped up), he makes spectator-like comments regarding the game, instead of jumping in on the discussion: I dunno, I kinda feel he's scum. Anyways, give thoughts if you will. How is geript in "The Z-BosoN Digest" leaning towards scum? It doesn't make any sense, If you are such big friends in the entire thread, even the last post of Z-BozoN is saying he personally will make sure that a geript lynch is not going to happen. I also suggest you read the Z-BosoN filter (only 4 pages), you will see that Z-BosoN never asks advice from geript, or puts geript on the spot. While Z-BosoN does this with others. Imo they are secretely talking to each other in the hidden scum forum. They just make leaps towards each other that we are missing in this thread. The interaction between them is off? I don't know how to explain it propperly but can somebody please look at this and give me their opinion. ________________________________________________________________________________ Ok so the editing in this post is a bit off, I started with a text and added stuff in between and now I can't make it look good again. But the TLDR: ----> Together on the CA lynch, respect each other. ----> Keep mentioning each other on their scum lists in the gray area part ----> Are not putting pressure on each other ----> Going even further and Z-B taking it personal when WoS points fingers at geript I defended geript cause I think he's town... see above post. I lynched CA because I didn't like a DL lynch. Also, don't look for associations before you've seen flips, that's just bad play. | ||
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