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On July 13 2013 09:01 Ace wrote:
yes that post. It stuck out because austin hit the nails on the head very well: with the exception of multi-nukers he was correct on the other 3. The only other game with nukes that I know of on the forum are WaW games and I dont remember him being in those. Wasn't around back then. I saw Bureaucracy having a nuke and a fake nuke (kurumi/RoL) and MZ nuked me in a PYP. All of those launched in thread, although RoL's had the announcement and then didn't do anything.
But when I see "multiple types of nukes" I don't think regular/radiation/whatever else exists, I think normal/silent/multi, something like that
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ok. what about Xatalos' last will post, and Vayne's accusation?
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On July 13 2013 09:00 austinmcc wrote:
Stutters did you ask what different types of nukes you could choose from?
I did not.
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On July 13 2013 09:05 Ace wrote:
ok. what about Xatalos' last will post, and Vayne's accusation?
Vayne's accusation is that I come in with an ON case to switch the lynch of DI or Chez. Far as that goes, it's just false. Found ON scummy. As far as xatalos:
On July 13 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
austinmcc
1) Marvellosity once coached me and gave me valuable pointers on how to find scum. I just remembered one of them that fits austinmcc absolutely perfectly: "people happy to start a wagon but then fade into the background again". austinmcc has done that twice now. He made a case on ON, voted on him first and started fading into the background. Then he voted first on jampidampi (without really much of a case this time though) and started fading into the background (at least he made some reasonable posts this time around, maybe because I criticized him about the last time, but none of those had any impact really).
2) Completely apathetic attitude throughout D1 (and later on as well, only less obviously).
3) Main reason for saving DI/XigXag (scum) D1 with his case - "null" read on MajuGarzett and conveniently goes for jampidampi instead
4) Intentionally avoided talking about rayn's claim - "others were already talking about it" (would a town ever say this?)
5) Half-assed suspicions without really even calling the player scum/scummy (on Oatsmaster and FirmTofu)
6) Pumped me for reads at the end of N1 (I should have realized that it was probably used by him to decide if he should NK me or not... apparently I wasn't correct enough I guess).
(1) Yup, I made a case on ON. DI had somewhat of a case on him, but really that was "DI isn't doing squat and that's more likely from mafia DI." Probably faded into the background some, partially due to RL but also the way the votes were jumping was making me question things. If I'd paid less attention to the votes and more attention to DI himself, I would have entirely dropped ON for that day, as DI's conduct closer to lynch time was what really sealed my read on him.
As far as the jampi bit, I dunno what he was getting at EXACTLY. My vote started on DI. I was expected DI/XigXag to certainly be the lynch. He got nuked. I think I started the wave of late jampi voting, FirmTofu and Chezinu both on jampi earlier in the day, but I'm the first voter as far as the rush that got him lynched. As far as the "fading," ... it's not like there's a benchmark I can point to and say I didn't fade. I was scummy on him early in the day because of the filter jump after rayn's plan, happy to see him nuked, unhappy to see him defended. I felt like I spoke my mind, that anyone knew why I was voting jampi.
(2) Mostly apathetic towards D1. Yes. Too many people, too many things that are flashes in the pan. AFAIK that's pretty usual for large game D1s for me.
(3) Yeah, my case ended up saving DI. Don't like it. Can see it making me look scummy. IMO, if you look at N1 and early D1, I don't think it makes terrible sense for me, as scum, to derail a DI lynch and then want to lynch him. If I were going to bus him, I could have done it D1. Instead I pulled a lynch off him, then wanted to lynch him, which seems unnecessary if I'm looking to bus, and no reason to jump right back on him if I'm actually trying to save him.
As far as maju and jampi, yup, I was scummier on jampi. If maju flips scum, I'll have had some bad reads this game.
(4) Yes, a town would do that. He's lying, we don't know why, everyone else is already posting a ton about it. Try and figure out what's going on, be confused, figure being confused better than posting "I'm confused, here's why" when someone else has already laid it out.
(5) Pretty sure that as things went on I called oats scum. FirmTofu was absolutely half-assed suspicions. Filter as a whole was townie, those two posts at the time of the DI lynch were super super scummy to me.
(6) I asked him for reads. Not a scummy thing? If you start from "austin scum" then you can make it look scummy, but a whole lot of people have asked a whole lot of people for reads this game.
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All I know is that we need a chezinu or austin flip and I would much rather flip chezinu since austin has a higher chance of flipping town
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Fuck it I started to write up some huge-ass case but I cba.
Find out right now whether Maju is scum or not.
I'm not a huge fan of pre-flip associations but look:
Geript likely has the same role as Oats. Oats has used his anti-nuke in a protown manner to protect people. Geript seemingly does the same. Oh wait, he didn't use his on D1 when he could have protected either Xatalos or MZ. MZ who he has a townread on.
Fast forward to the last few actions. Uses his anti-nuke to protect jampi, who is town. Alright, makes sense. But now let's think for a minute about the repercussions of his actions? We were forced to actually LYNCH jampi and waste a (likely) town nuke for no reason. Now look at what he proposed today?
On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote:
A few things to note:
1. Maju should be lynched not nuked -- this prevents anyone from defending him and a necessary late vote scramble.
2. Why Ace didn't launch that shit immediately after the night post is beyond me. He could be lying about a nuke, he could be scum, anything is possible
3. I think Rayn was right on track. This would be like the second time he's nailed a bunch of scum early.
4. I'll post more tonight but will have limited access later this weekend.
5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion.
He wants to use up the town lynch again---it is MUCH easier for scum to act when they know that town has already picked their target for the day and especially if they have an anti-nuke at their disposal. This technically works if MG is town OR scum because Geript's agenda is simply to waste town lynches. If MG is town he simply could have let him die yesterday, true. But by protecting jampi he sets us back a kill AND gets towncred in the process. And then in the end what does he do regarding yesterday's lynch? HE STILL FUCKING VOTES JAMPI. If MG is scum? Geript may be able to talk his way out of it when MG flips (though he certainly can't get away with protecting him today after what he said about lynching MG). That is why we absolutely MUST nuke MG today and LYNCH Geript.
Look back through his posting and look at how much random shitflinging and fingerpointing he does without following up. Shit tons of questions directed at random people, no conclusions.
Lynch this guy with cleansing FIRE.
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noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post.
also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point.
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On July 13 2013 10:08 Ace wrote:
noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post.
also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point.
Acually someone did claim to have a nuke today.
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On July 13 2013 10:08 Ace wrote:
noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post.
also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point.
This is a tough call because it essentially means that austin and geript will be playing the exact same scumgame.
Generally when DI isn't active in thread he is still posting in scum QT so the question is how hard did he try to convince his scumteam to bus him, if at all?
I'm not sure how much sense it truly makes for austin to hardcore go for the mislynch when he could just as easily have taken the bus all the way to the bank. Geript's waffling on the ON/DI lynch looks much worse than what austin did imo.
I'm not clearing austin here, I just think Geript's actions are scummier, and I find it somehow pretty unlikely that they'd both hardcore push a mislynch wagon to save a scummer who would essentially end up dying pretty soon anyway.
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Whoever has a nuke needs to get rid of Maju right now. He may very well be scum, and if he's town he's useless to us anyway alive. Flipping him will really help us sort out who the lynch should be for today, and I firmly believe it to be Geript. I'm pretty interested to see how he will come back to defend himself against me as the two of us have a love-tunnely history together. If he is scum this will be the third time I've played town against him, and I don't plan on losing this one too.
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Ace, your opinions at the time of the jampi save were to defend Geript's actions.
Do you think he is town?
I'm honestly unsure how there seem to be so many supporters of Geript's actions yet then set out to accomplish the same thing that would have occurred had Geript not done anything.
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Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
@WoS. You've seen me be scum here a decent amount. Remember how good of scum I've been? In the game I was hella carried by bugs, BH, and Kita. Every other time I've been scummy as fuck and narrowly avoided lynches because town derped. Have I realistically gotten that much better overnight? Rayn trusted me. Catalogs trusted me. I really don't get what your beef is.
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On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
@WoS. You've seen me be scum here a decent amount. Remember how good of scum I've been? In the game I was hella carried by bugs, BH, and Kita. Every other time I've been scummy as fuck and narrowly avoided lynches because town derped. Have I realistically gotten that much better overnight? Rayn trusted me. Catalogs trusted me. I really don't get what your beef is.
Geript.
When did you drop your scumread on me?
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Actually, I remember your dick-move analysis. So never mind.
So you've essentially called me scum all game, never wavering from it, and because of one post I make you immediately flip that around?
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Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.
I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.
Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?
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good lord this reeks of your les mis play, are you goobers both scum
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