Naniwa hasn't done shit except a really solid finish at MLG - look at all his results before that. No way he is better than 'Phano, I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Jaedong is definitely a top 20 player (if the ranks went that high) - and Dear is great, but it feels like he is getting way too much cred. for a single good run at a tourney.
Edit: he did get second at DH Stockholm - my bad, too many tourneys. I still would have liked to see him place higher in WCS before I mention him at all...but I suppose two top 4 finishes is about equal to a top 2 finish in WCS Europe.
On another note - wouldn't it be fun to see a Teamliquid user tabulated power rank? Everyone lists their top 10 and we see who makes the most votes?
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote: To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays.
Is this true?
And if it were true - wtf, so you are at the top of the world when new expansion comes, you beat the best players with innovative style and... you just start playing another game? What in the flying fuck. Who does that.
Maybe league is more fun for him? He is his own person and can do what he wants you know.
On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote: My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.
Mvp should be ranked higher.
First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.
Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?
It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).
Personally, I would rank the players like so:
10. TaeJa 9. Polt 8. FanTaSy 7. sOs 6. Mvp 5. JangBi 4. Flash 3. Rain 2. Soulkey 1. INnoVation
Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.
It's kinda sad that Mvp's fan is trying to use his loss against Innovation to justify his skill (I admit that if a few things went differently that series, Mvp could of won that ), but still , a loss is a loss. Just wait for him to win.
Man, everyone is saying that MVP should be higher than #8 not that he should be rank #1, and i don't think you need to beat the number 1 to be higher than #8.
On July 04 2013 05:35 hillman wrote: Naniwa hasn't done shit except a really solid finish at MLG - look at all his results before that. No way he is better than 'Phano, I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Jaedong is definitely a top 20 player (if the ranks went that high) - and Dear is great, but it feels like he is getting way too much cred. for a single good run at a tourney.
I'd put Rain a little lower. He would have 0 business on this list if it wasn't for his recent (bo1!!!) OSL results. Also... JangBi? Am I missing something?
On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote: My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.
Mvp should be ranked higher.
First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.
Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?
It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).
Personally, I would rank the players like so:
10. TaeJa 9. Polt 8. FanTaSy 7. sOs 6. Mvp 5. JangBi 4. Flash 3. Rain 2. Soulkey 1. INnoVation
Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.
It's kinda sad that Mvp's fan is trying to use his loss against Innovation to justify his skill (I admit that if a few things went differently that series, Mvp could of won that ), but still , a loss is a loss. Just wait for him to win.
Man, everyone is saying that MVP should be higher than #8 not that he should be rank #1, and i don't think you need to beat the number 1 to be higher than #8.
I use his loss to justify higher placement because his loss is the highest display of skill he has shown.
Here's the thing - if Mvp loses 2-3 but looks equally good as the #1 ranked player in the world, isn't that pretty significant by itself even if it's a loss?
On July 04 2013 05:31 Scville wrote: Azubu Symbol ''...In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''
''In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''
I'm pretty sure those mediocre code s players are better than TLO and Snute.
And why the fuck MVP is only rank 8? Seriously he almost defeated Innovation in a bo5 and Jangbi is rank6 because he won some bo1? Oh my god
And parting isn't in top 10 anymore because he lost a bo1 against Supernova? Jesus Christ.
And while Parting plays against 100x harder opponents and is still 6-4, Taeja is in top 10 because he barely won against TLO and Snute.
Such a joke.
You're taking this waaaaaaay to seriously lol
This has no effect on anything, it's just for fun. Stop freaking out and learn to accept the opinions of others~
Glad Life's shield has finally cracked. I've been saying for the past 3 months he's not a top 10 player anymore. I'd also put Rain at #2, just for how amazing he has looked, but this power ranking seems to be soley result based, seeing as Taeja made the top 10 without beating a single KeSPA player. Also Seed needs honorable mention.
On July 04 2013 05:31 Scville wrote: Azubu Symbol ''...In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''
''In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''
I'm pretty sure those mediocre code s players are better than TLO and Snute.
And why the fuck MVP is only rank 8? Seriously he almost defeated Innovation in a bo5 and Jangbi is rank6 because he won some bo1? Oh my god
And parting isn't in top 10 anymore because he lost a bo1 against Supernova? Jesus Christ.
And while Parting plays against 100x harder opponents and is still 6-4, Taeja is in top 10 because he barely won against TLO and Snute.
Such a joke.
You're taking this waaaaaaay to seriously lol
This has no effect on anything, it's just for fun. Stop freaking out and learn to accept the opinions of others~
It should be obvious now that power rank is Proleague power rank with some consolation places for esf players. Not necessarily bad since PL is the only weekly thing. But the criteria should be clear : We put a lot of weights for matchs in PL in this power rank.