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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2013 09:23 painkilla wrote: What a sad excuse. Flash lost because he didn't care. OKAYYYYYYYYYY! What's wrong with you? Nobody mentioned Flash or anybody not caring about individual leagues. He said that players take individual leagues more seriously. I said that isn't the case. | ||
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StarStruck
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Assirra
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 20 2013 19:02 GolemMadness wrote: Bomber's the best in the world now because he won a couple of Bo3's? Ok. Just like Flash top 3 because of couple of PL wins?Ok. P.S I like how you casually refer to probably the sickest run in a group stage of OSL/GSL for a long time, trouncing the best two Kespa terrans as "couple of Bo3". | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 21 2013 10:56 Assirra wrote: So what now then? Proleague will forever be taken priority over any other tournament since its apparently the only tournament KeSPA players give it their 100%? Might as well just remove everything else and call it Proleague rank. It's also the only tournament when you will see primarily (if not exclusively) KeSPA players fighting to stay in KeSPA. KeSPA teams are better trained, have better facilities and also offer glory to the players. I dunno about anyone else but I'd fight in the PL just to stay on those teams. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2013 14:36 painkilla wrote: Just like Flash top 3 because of couple of PL wins?Ok. P.S I like how you casually refer to probably the sickest run in a group stage of OSL/GSL for a long time, trouncing the best two Kespa terrans as "couple of Bo3". Are you trying to make the most nonsensical posts possible in here or something? First of all, Flash led Proleague in wins. That is more than a couple, and he also 2-0ed his Ro32 group when this power rank came out. Secondly, yes, Bomber played very well in those games. But, he's only shown exceptional play in a single match up, his other two are still below 50%, and regardless of how well you play in 4 games, you're not suddenly the best in the world because of them. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 21 2013 14:52 GolemMadness wrote: Are you trying to make the most nonsensical posts possible in here or something? First of all, Flash led Proleague in wins. That is more than a couple, and he also 2-0ed his Ro32 group when this power rank came out. Secondly, yes, Bomber played very well in those games. But, he's only shown exceptional play in a single match up, his other two are still below 50%, and regardless of how well you play in 4 games, you're not suddenly the best in the world because of them. Does it look like I was trying to argue that Bomber should be best player in the world ? You refer to Bomber's run as couple of Bo3's, so guess what, any PL run can also be referred as couple of Bo1's. I was trying to point out your double standard. When it is Flash, Fantasy, you made great efforts to point out how sick these runs were, high level gameplay etc but when it is Bomber, it's just couple of Bo3's. And what achieving the most wins has anything to do with PR ? If you told me Flash has 100 wins in PL, I still don't know how strong Flash is since for all I know Flash could be beating players like Pigbaby 100 times over. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 21 2013 14:48 IntoTheheart wrote: It's also the only tournament when you will see primarily (if not exclusively) KeSPA players fighting to stay in KeSPA. KeSPA teams are better trained, have better facilities and also offer glory to the players. I dunno about anyone else but I'd fight in the PL just to stay on those teams. It really gets on my nerves when this type of self-importance arguments keep popping up. Reminds me of the time when Americans thought they were above everybody else in basketball, until they got their asses kicked in the Olympic. Same thing also happened with English national football team at some point. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 21 2013 14:52 GolemMadness wrote: Are you trying to make the most nonsensical posts possible in here or something? First of all, Flash led Proleague in wins. That is more than a couple, and he also 2-0ed his Ro32 group when this power rank came out. Secondly, yes, Bomber played very well in those games. But, he's only shown exceptional play in a single match up, his other two are still below 50%, and regardless of how well you play in 4 games, you're not suddenly the best in the world because of them. Flash may be leading Proleague in wins, but by my analysis in an earlier post over half those wins were over Code A level or sub-Code A level players. Meanwhile, Bomber may have only won 2 Bo3s, but they were 2-0's against players that people consider the top 2 Terrans in the world. Not saying that one should carry more weight than the other because I agree that they were only TvT games and Bomber thus far as shown nothing to suggest that his TvP and TvZ are close to being as good. However, just mentioning those factors as food for thought because that brings us back to my other point about how individual league competition has the tendency to get increasingly difficult while in Proleague you play the same pool of players and you get a lot of easier wins against weak players if you're one of the top Proleague players due to significant gaps in skill in Proleague. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2013 15:49 painkilla wrote: Does it look like I was trying to argue that Bomber should be best player in the world ? You refer to Bomber's run as couple of Bo3's, so guess what, any PL run can also be referred as couple of Bo1's. I was trying to point out your double standard. When it is Flash, Fantasy, you made great efforts to point out how sick these runs were, high level gameplay etc but when it is Bomber, it's just couple of Bo3's. And what achieving the most wins has anything to do with PR ? If you told me Flash has 100 wins in PL, I still don't know how strong Flash is since for all I know Flash could be beating players like Pigbaby 100 times over. No, because that makes zero sense. Two Bo3's is a couple of Bo3's. 37 wins is not a couple of wins. Do you know what the word means? It refers to the number two. "I was trying to point out your double standard. When it is Flash, Fantasy, you made great efforts to point out how sick these runs were, high level gameplay etc" What are you talking about? Have I even mentioned Fantasy a single time in this thread? And where have I said these things about Flash? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are just making stuff up. And yes, winning 100 games in a season against players like Pigbaby would be pretty damn impressive. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2013 15:54 HolyArrow wrote: Flash may be leading Proleague in wins, but by my analysis in an earlier post over half those wins were over Code A level or sub-Code A level players. Meanwhile, Bomber may have only won 2 Bo3s, but they were 2-0's against players that people consider the top 2 Terrans in the world. Not saying that one should carry more weight than the other because I agree that they were only TvT games and Bomber thus far as shown nothing to suggest that his TvP and TvZ are close to being as good. However, just mentioning those factors as food for thought because that brings us back to my other point about how individual league competition has the tendency to get increasingly difficult while in Proleague you play the same pool of players and you get a lot of easier wins against weak players if you're one of the top Proleague players due to significant gaps in skill in Proleague. I never said anything about how meaningful him leading Proleague in wins is. I just said that it's not a couple of wins, because it isn't. | ||
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slowbacontron
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StarStruck
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monk
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On July 21 2013 21:34 monkybone wrote: that´s bullshit and you know it. See what the individual leagues has made of innovation. It´s every pro gamers dream, they are undeniably taking individual leagues way more seriously. That´s then, the business a whole different beast now with the GSL, WCS and international events. Actually, no. Proleague is still the main focus of Kespa teams and players since, as was already said, this is where they get their salaries. Also, as a number of people already compared it, Proleague and individual leagues are like English Premier League and Champion's League in football. While Champion's League for sure has more prestige, the main focus of teams like Chelsea, Manchester United or Arsenal is always the trophy in their domestic league, Champion's League is 'only' an (amazing) bonus. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 21 2013 21:34 monkybone wrote: that´s bullshit and you know it. See what the individual leagues has made of innovation. It´s every pro gamers dream, they are undeniably taking individual leagues way more seriously. That´s then, the business a whole different beast now with the GSL, WCS and international events. Tell that to KeSPA not me. On July 21 2013 17:13 monk wrote: You've successfully awakened all the hipsters. Where your shades at monk?  | ||
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Ammanas
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