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NiHiLuSsc2
United States50 Posts
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S:klogW
Austria657 Posts
Now time to pwn the ladder | ||
Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
Missed a great a opportunity, writers. | ||
govie
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Olli
Austria24416 Posts
On June 12 2013 13:50 J.E.G. wrote: Would it be possible to get something spotlighted besides protoss all-ins? Yeah, there was a great protoss macro build recently. It's my standard PvT build by now. | ||
IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1960 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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NapkinBox
United States314 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
It would be nice to contact pro players and collaborate with them to continue to make great guides like this one. | ||
CountZero71
Germany89 Posts
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Protossking
Australia103 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 12 2013 04:18 vNmMasterT wrote: TL strategy = protoss all-in/gimmick library On June 12 2013 05:28 FHC Nex wrote: Another Protoss allin (the race that pretty much has all-in in its name) and its on front page on teamliquid? Well thanks for improving the game. :| On June 12 2013 07:30 Thalandros wrote: A part of me just dies when I read this. Why introduce more allins to the population of Starcraft? =( The game is sad enough already with the countless black and white games. On June 12 2013 13:50 J.E.G. wrote: Would it be possible to get something spotlighted besides protoss all-ins? On June 12 2013 15:55 TaShadan wrote: More allins? Thx You guys are ungrateful and spoiled. You act like Team Liquid is paying these guys to go and write guides and they were feeling lazy (or hateful) and produced something subpar. The TL Strat forum highlighted guides are first written by volunteer, then edited by other volunteer, given graphics by another volunteer, put into html code by yet another volunteer, and finally posted. It takes a lot of effort at each level. It can take a team of 6 unpaid people many hours to produce a short guide that is of this quality. It is a fact that work on this guide started on May 14th on the writing side (Teoita and Alejandrisha are the writers here). A final draft (call this the working beta) is done around May 26th. Wo1food now steps in and starts to create the HTML which takes normal text and transforms it into the style that we have grown to appreciate from the TL Strat forum crew. He is done with that on June 6th. This takes a document that was 8931 characters and turns it into one that is 11776. During this time a fellow by the name of Naganis has created and finished the banner that you see at the top of the guide. On June 9th Teoita adds game analysis of 9 additional games to help flesh out the guide in a broader sense. Then, on June 11th, Monk steps in a creates a true final draft. This draft looks 99.99% like the finished form does. Hayl_Storm steps in and does a once over read looking for grammar and spelling issues. Six people, from three countries (USA, Canada, and Italy) worked for free for almost a month to produce you a high quality product and all you guys can do is complain about the choice of strategy that the writer(s) decided to focus on? Getting featured as a TL Strat forum writer isn't about following some series of rules in how you choose what to write about, its about producing accurate and usable content. If you freeloaders want something else to get spotlighted then open up some vods, grab your pen and paper, start taking notes and prepare to be surprised by the amount of work it takes. Like you all said, this is a article/guide on an all-in and, like I just said, it took a lot of effort from many people to get it complete and done. The article was based on eight vods and two sets of timings (stargate or no stargate). Now imagine the amount of increased effort and time it takes to create a guide on a style that has multiple deviations, many times the number of vods for sources, and isn't for the race that the writer plays. I cant believe how ungrateful some people can be. This is a work of passion by the people involved and if you can't say something nice, then go the heck away and don't post negative shit in the thread and rain on their parade. On June 12 2013 17:40 Incognoto wrote: It's very well written, I have to admit. How long did it take to write? It would be nice to contact pro players and collaborate with them to continue to make great guides like this one. Read the spoiler. I actually break it down! | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Also, we do have some pros in the TL strat team actually. So far they have been more involved with reviewing than writing though. | ||
vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
BTW, I like the guide <3. Its a fun style to play with. | ||
Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On June 12 2013 12:56 NiHiLuSsc2 wrote: only real basketball fans will actually get the magic joke in all its furor Not really, triple double how hard is to get that... But real basketball fans would know that then it should be actually called Oscar Robertson. And btw hate that it got published, I've been doing this already... Now zergs will know how to defend better as way more tosses will be doing this now. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On June 12 2013 09:19 BronzeKnee wrote: Let's be careful what we say here. On a rare occasion I still use Naniwa's 2 Base Colossus build that I used to use all the time(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296450). It hits at 12 minutes, but it features some early Zealot harass followed up by 4 Gate Zealot harass, followed up by Warp Prism Zealot harass and then finally, the push. That old push also included a Warprism and was done without a Stargate too. All that harass potential to deny the third base and damage/delay the Zerg economy is often worth the one minute delay (though Naniwa's push comes without the 2 Immortals, but as hellokitty shows, those aren't key to the push). It is a far more complex build order and harder to execute, so to say this is some kind of optimization just isn't true. This build is just a back to the basics Colossus all-in, done in barebones fashion. The reason this works so well today is because people are trying to defend with Hydralisks and Zerglings. As noted in the weaknesses section, even considering any "optimizations" of 2 base Colossus builds, old mass Roach builds will roll over this. If that's the build i'm thinking about, i'm also pretty sure he disegned it to (blind) counter IM's roach/ling>muta build which Nestea and Losira were doing all the time, since Naniwa played Nestea at MLG and whatnot a bunch of times, so the reasoning behind the builds are different. I agree that old mass roach builds are really good vs this (although i have beaten people roach maxing simply because they were worse than me), but as posted in the intro, that's not a good reason to say the build isn't valid. edit: also at the people saying "I dont like this getting published, now people will know how to defend it": anyone watching sc2 would know this build exists. When it comes to 2base all-ins vs Z, it's less about knowing a build is coming and more about the execution on both sides. If you are the better player and know how to engage well, you will still beat him. Builds don't have to be secrets catching people off guard to be strong, all-ins included. | ||
Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On June 12 2013 18:24 Sakkreth wrote: Not really, triple double how hard is to get that... But real basketball fans would know that then it should be actually called Oscar Robertson. And btw hate that it got published, I've been doing this already... Now zergs will know how to defend better as way more tosses will be doing this now. it's the magic johnson because 'triple double trouble' was one of his nicknames. one he got for having by far the most playoff triple doubles, at least since they started recording steals and blocks. chamberlain and russel probably had more than magic or robertson, but that doesn't matter because they weren't nicknamed 'triple double trouble.' | ||
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