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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
a) They are far, far more optimized. People used to hit after 12 minutes (see Ace at the IEM he won in 2010), nowadays 10-11 is the norm. b) They are done without a stargate as well. c) They include immortals and/or a warp prism, which was never the case back then. I agree it's nothing gamechanging like the Soultrain was, but it's this is a nice build for someone to learn regardless, and it's interesting how it was completely shifted out of the metagame, only to come back stronger than ever. | ||
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VerneV
United States7 Posts
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Redrot
United States446 Posts
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
3832 Posts
On June 12 2013 04:19 GinDo wrote: I know. TL Strategy has never featured a Terran guide T_T. Always P and Z. I think its because Terran is more about good control then hitting timings.  .jeez, why can't you guys appreciate what they do put out? It's excellent content  | ||
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blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On June 12 2013 08:28 Teoita wrote: These newer colossus pushes are different because a) They are far, far more optimized. People used to hit after 12 minutes (see Ace at the IEM he won in 2010), nowadays 10-11 is the norm. b) They are done without a stargate as well. c) They include immortals and/or a warp prism, which was never the case back then. Let's be careful what we say here. On a rare occasion I still use Naniwa's 2 Base Colossus build that I used to use all the time(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296450). It hits at 12 minutes, but it features some early Zealot harass followed up by 4 Gate Zealot harass, followed up by Warp Prism Zealot harass and then finally, the push. That old push also included a Warprism and was done without a Stargate too. All that harass potential to deny the third base and damage/delay the Zerg economy is often worth the one minute delay (though Naniwa's push comes without the 2 Immortals, but as hellokitty shows, those aren't key to the push). It is a far more complex build order and harder to execute, so to say this is some kind of optimization just isn't true. This build is just a back to the basics Colossus all-in, done in barebones fashion. The reason this works so well today is because people are trying to defend with Hydralisks and Zerglings. As noted in the weaknesses section, even considering any "optimizations" of 2 base Colossus builds, old mass Roach builds will roll over this. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
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QCD
Suriname81 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On June 12 2013 06:03 banjoetheredskin wrote: Thats what i was going to say! Nice job though. Im glad TL strat recognizes that the protoss race needs a little bit of help =D I see your point, although the Magic Johnson name is pretty hilarious.If you're going to name it after Oscar Robertson you'd have to at least call it the "Big O". | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 12 2013 11:06 Emzeeshady wrote: Macro response please? I would prefer not to all in every game (or I would play Toss :p). 2 base Muta seems to do decent vs this from my limited experience. Stephano 12 minute roach max works well too, depending on the map. And you can macro out of a 10 pool just fine. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Skunkyjosh
Canada10 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On June 12 2013 04:21 monk wrote: If no one complains about the lack of Terran guides from now on, I promise the next one will be Terran. Always no love for terran. It's like you hate terran. + Show Spoiler + Yes. Give me more P overviews! | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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