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NiHiLuSsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States50 Posts
June 12 2013 03:56 GMT
#121
only real basketball fans will actually get the magic joke in all its furor
PBJT
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 12 2013 04:20 GMT
#122
I love the Protoss Strategy writers!
Now time to pwn the ladder
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 12 2013 04:32 GMT
#123
You should have called it Three of a Perfect Pair

Missed a great a opportunity, writers.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 12 2013 04:45 GMT
#124
Thx for warning us, will be seeing this on ladder^^
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
June 12 2013 04:50 GMT
#125
Would it be possible to get something spotlighted besides protoss all-ins?
Do or do not; there is no try.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 12 2013 06:11 GMT
#126
On June 12 2013 13:50 J.E.G. wrote:
Would it be possible to get something spotlighted besides protoss all-ins?


Yeah, there was a great protoss macro build recently. It's my standard PvT build by now.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
June 12 2013 06:18 GMT
#127
Dear mother of god :O
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 12 2013 06:27 GMT
#128
Very awesome love these strategy guides!
Moderatorlickypiddy
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
June 12 2013 06:55 GMT
#129
More allins? Thx
Total Annihilation Zero
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 12 2013 08:00 GMT
#130
Next time do airtoss quide agaisnt terran and zerg!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
June 12 2013 08:16 GMT
#131
Don't need a Terran Strategy Spotlight. We have StimmedProbe!
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 12 2013 08:40 GMT
#132
It's very well written, I have to admit. How long did it take to write?

It would be nice to contact pro players and collaborate with them to continue to make great guides like this one.
maru lover forever
CountZero71
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany89 Posts
June 12 2013 08:45 GMT
#133
Time to hit the ladder!! :-D
You cannot kill what doesn't die...
Protossking
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia103 Posts
June 12 2013 08:49 GMT
#134
you're meant to get only 1 immortal with the sg variant... it hits a lot faster that way. see sos soulkey ro4 gsl...
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 09:07:57
June 12 2013 09:04 GMT
#135
I was about to post a long rant but I don't want to pollute this thread more than it already has been. Some of you are awfully negative and if you are one, then read this spoiler. It blows my mind how irrational and spoiled some people are.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2013 04:18 vNmMasterT wrote:
TL strategy = protoss all-in/gimmick library


On June 12 2013 05:28 FHC Nex wrote:
Another Protoss allin (the race that pretty much has all-in in its name) and its on front page on teamliquid? Well thanks for improving the game.

:|


On June 12 2013 07:30 Thalandros wrote:
A part of me just dies when I read this. Why introduce more allins to the population of Starcraft? =( The game is sad enough already with the countless black and white games.


On June 12 2013 13:50 J.E.G. wrote:
Would it be possible to get something spotlighted besides protoss all-ins?


On June 12 2013 15:55 TaShadan wrote:
More allins? Thx


You guys are ungrateful and spoiled. You act like Team Liquid is paying these guys to go and write guides and they were feeling lazy (or hateful) and produced something subpar.

The TL Strat forum highlighted guides are first written by volunteer, then edited by other volunteer, given graphics by another volunteer, put into html code by yet another volunteer, and finally posted. It takes a lot of effort at each level. It can take a team of 6 unpaid people many hours to produce a short guide that is of this quality.

It is a fact that work on this guide started on May 14th on the writing side (Teoita and Alejandrisha are the writers here). A final draft (call this the working beta) is done around May 26th. Wo1food now steps in and starts to create the HTML which takes normal text and transforms it into the style that we have grown to appreciate from the TL Strat forum crew. He is done with that on June 6th. This takes a document that was 8931 characters and turns it into one that is 11776. During this time a fellow by the name of Naganis has created and finished the banner that you see at the top of the guide. On June 9th Teoita adds game analysis of 9 additional games to help flesh out the guide in a broader sense. Then, on June 11th, Monk steps in a creates a true final draft. This draft looks 99.99% like the finished form does. Hayl_Storm steps in and does a once over read looking for grammar and spelling issues.

Six people, from three countries (USA, Canada, and Italy) worked for free for almost a month to produce you a high quality product and all you guys can do is complain about the choice of strategy that the writer(s) decided to focus on? Getting featured as a TL Strat forum writer isn't about following some series of rules in how you choose what to write about, its about producing accurate and usable content.

If you freeloaders want something else to get spotlighted then open up some vods, grab your pen and paper, start taking notes and prepare to be surprised by the amount of work it takes. Like you all said, this is a article/guide on an all-in and, like I just said, it took a lot of effort from many people to get it complete and done. The article was based on eight vods and two sets of timings (stargate or no stargate).

Now imagine the amount of increased effort and time it takes to create a guide on a style that has multiple deviations, many times the number of vods for sources, and isn't for the race that the writer plays.

I cant believe how ungrateful some people can be. This is a work of passion by the people involved and if you can't say something nice, then go the heck away and don't post negative shit in the thread and rain on their parade.


On June 12 2013 17:40 Incognoto wrote:
It's very well written, I have to admit. How long did it take to write?

It would be nice to contact pro players and collaborate with them to continue to make great guides like this one.


Read the spoiler. I actually break it down!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 09:09:00
June 12 2013 09:08 GMT
#136
Vaderseven, the negative doods are most likely the same people referenced in the intro of the guide. I like to think i caused them to ragequit even more, which is fine by me

Also, we do have some pros in the TL strat team actually. So far they have been more involved with reviewing than writing though.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
June 12 2013 09:12 GMT
#137
You have an amazingly upbeat attitude and I just get angry when I see unthankfullness thrown in the face of such amazingly generous work.

BTW, I like the guide <3. Its a fun style to play with.
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
June 12 2013 09:24 GMT
#138
On June 12 2013 12:56 NiHiLuSsc2 wrote:
only real basketball fans will actually get the magic joke in all its furor


Not really, triple double how hard is to get that... But real basketball fans would know that then it should be actually called Oscar Robertson.

And btw hate that it got published, I've been doing this already... Now zergs will know how to defend better as way more tosses will be doing this now.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 09:30:13
June 12 2013 09:26 GMT
#139
On June 12 2013 09:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 08:28 Teoita wrote:
These newer colossus pushes are different because

a) They are far, far more optimized. People used to hit after 12 minutes (see Ace at the IEM he won in 2010), nowadays 10-11 is the norm.
b) They are done without a stargate as well.
c) They include immortals and/or a warp prism, which was never the case back then.



Let's be careful what we say here. On a rare occasion I still use Naniwa's 2 Base Colossus build that I used to use all the time(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296450). It hits at 12 minutes, but it features some early Zealot harass followed up by 4 Gate Zealot harass, followed up by Warp Prism Zealot harass and then finally, the push. That old push also included a Warprism and was done without a Stargate too.

All that harass potential to deny the third base and damage/delay the Zerg economy is often worth the one minute delay (though Naniwa's push comes without the 2 Immortals, but as hellokitty shows, those aren't key to the push). It is a far more complex build order and harder to execute, so to say this is some kind of optimization just isn't true. This build is just a back to the basics Colossus all-in, done in barebones fashion.

The reason this works so well today is because people are trying to defend with Hydralisks and Zerglings. As noted in the weaknesses section, even considering any "optimizations" of 2 base Colossus builds, old mass Roach builds will roll over this.


If that's the build i'm thinking about, i'm also pretty sure he disegned it to (blind) counter IM's roach/ling>muta build which Nestea and Losira were doing all the time, since Naniwa played Nestea at MLG and whatnot a bunch of times, so the reasoning behind the builds are different.

I agree that old mass roach builds are really good vs this (although i have beaten people roach maxing simply because they were worse than me), but as posted in the intro, that's not a good reason to say the build isn't valid.

edit: also at the people saying "I dont like this getting published, now people will know how to defend it": anyone watching sc2 would know this build exists. When it comes to 2base all-ins vs Z, it's less about knowing a build is coming and more about the execution on both sides. If you are the better player and know how to engage well, you will still beat him. Builds don't have to be secrets catching people off guard to be strong, all-ins included.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
June 12 2013 09:44 GMT
#140
On June 12 2013 18:24 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 12:56 NiHiLuSsc2 wrote:
only real basketball fans will actually get the magic joke in all its furor


Not really, triple double how hard is to get that... But real basketball fans would know that then it should be actually called Oscar Robertson.

And btw hate that it got published, I've been doing this already... Now zergs will know how to defend better as way more tosses will be doing this now.


it's the magic johnson because 'triple double trouble' was one of his nicknames. one he got for having by far the most playoff triple doubles, at least since they started recording steals and blocks. chamberlain and russel probably had more than magic or robertson, but that doesn't matter because they weren't nicknamed 'triple double trouble.'
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