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Warboss
Profile Joined January 2012
United States12 Posts
June 14 2013 22:01 GMT
#201
On June 15 2013 04:49 JayPower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 02:57 Warboss wrote:
Anyone got some replays?

Much rather observe these in-game then vods.


I made a small replay pack for the stargate version: http://drop.sc/packs/1460

Thanks!

Will study, would +rep but this is teamliquid what am i talking about. xD
More GG, More Skill
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
June 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#202
On June 14 2013 06:36 dUTtrOACh wrote:
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On June 14 2013 04:10 lorestarcraft wrote:
I think this build is designed for a meta that no longer exists, at least on ladder. I want a guide to stop fast (15-20 min) Ultra maxes.


This should hit before any 15-20min hive-tech window even begins to open.

My comments were not related.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 22:41:07
June 14 2013 22:40 GMT
#203
The thing with TL strat releases is, it's basically impossible to release replays of the strategies we write about because our policy is to only reference professional games, and these days very very few tournaments release replay packs.

For this article in particular, i personally took a look at the Dreamhack replay pack (afaik the only one released in hots so far by a major tournament), but there were zero games with this build.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Warboss
Profile Joined January 2012
United States12 Posts
June 15 2013 00:57 GMT
#204
On June 15 2013 07:40 Teoita wrote:
The thing with TL strat releases is, it's basically impossible to release replays of the strategies we write about because our policy is to only reference professional games, and these days very very few tournaments release replay packs.

For this article in particular, i personally took a look at the Dreamhack replay pack (afaik the only one released in hots so far by a major tournament), but there were zero games with this build.

That make's a lot of sense.

We need hero to use this build a couple times for his next pack. ^.^
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5p4z3n3k0
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands19 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 02:32:49
June 15 2013 02:26 GMT
#205
On June 14 2013 06:12 ggOeHondaHHS wrote:
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On June 12 2013 04:11 graNite wrote:
great, another protoss allin....
so lame, try to bring some fun to the ladder, not this useless crap!


all ins are fun! : D



That's only when you are the one doing it I think ? I would like to see you after a succesful 10 pool.... Probably raging on the Zerg for being a "Nub".

Anyway, I have some Protoss friends, and they all whine that they have to all-in so much, I say F-you. You don't need to all-in as Toss, you just choose too...... I get that with the way you are fed all-in strategies, you would think you didn't have another choice ( Not all toss play all-in, I know ).


I would just like to express my gratitude to all the TL. strategy writing staff; You guys are doing a great job.... ( insert Kappa )


Edit: Also I don't think we will see anything other than Protoss soon

On May 13 2013 17:20 Teoita wrote:

Also lies, we are so not gonna write about races that aren't manly.

Don't wake me! I'm working...
JSK
Profile Joined February 2013
United States133 Posts
June 15 2013 02:37 GMT
#206
On June 15 2013 11:26 5p4z3n3k0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:12 ggOeHondaHHS wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:11 graNite wrote:
great, another protoss allin....
so lame, try to bring some fun to the ladder, not this useless crap!


all ins are fun! : D



That's only when you are the one doing it I think ? I would like to see you after a succesful 10 pool.... Probably raging on the Zerg for being a "Nub".

Anyway, I have some Protoss friends, and they all whine that they have to all-in so much, I say F-you. You don't need to all-in as Toss, you just choose too...... I get that with the way you are fed all-in strategies, you would think you didn't have another choice ( Not all toss play all-in, I know ).


I would just like to express my gratitude to all the TL. strategy writing staff; You guys are doing a great job.... ( insert Kappa )


Edit: Also I don't think we will see anything other than Protoss soon

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:20 Teoita wrote:

Also lies, we are so not gonna write about races that aren't manly.




You see, my friends?


“Sing, goddess, of [his] ruinous anger
Which brought ten thousand pains to the Achaeans,
And cast the souls of many stalwart heroes
To Hades, and their bodies to the dogs
And birds of prey.“ *

"If you have read the classics, you might think that the above passage refers to Homeric Achilles. Nay; this is an account of your Zerg ladder opponent's blistering rage as he fell fodder to the fabled Magic Johnson."
5p4z3n3k0
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands19 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 03:01:27
June 15 2013 02:57 GMT
#207
On June 15 2013 11:37 JSK wrote:
You see, my friends?


“Sing, goddess, of [his] ruinous anger
Which brought ten thousand pains to the Achaeans,
And cast the souls of many stalwart heroes
To Hades, and their bodies to the dogs
And birds of prey.“ *

"If you have read the classics, you might think that the above passage refers to Homeric Achilles. Nay; this is an account of your Zerg ladder opponent's blistering rage as he fell fodder to the fabled Magic Johnson."


If you are refering to me.... I'm Terran.... <<<--- srry its late for me im going to sleep nvm !
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Zacksqout
Profile Joined May 2013
2 Posts
June 15 2013 14:32 GMT
#208
i love TL, but their protoss only strats suxx

User was banned for this post.
aldochillbro
Profile Joined July 2012
187 Posts
June 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#209
this build is so imba I'm in love with it. probably the only thing balancing pvz winrates imo on ladder. 2 zergs today have been like "EVERY FUCKING GAME TODAY" and then leaving

thank you tl strategy :D
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 21 2013 09:25 GMT
#210
Trap did a variant of this build @ OSL yesterday, good shit
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Fortis-Et-Fidus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
June 22 2013 06:07 GMT
#211
With the game Soulkey vs Parting game 5, the only way i have lost with this build is muta ling play, either they base trade or snipe reinforcing pylons and overwhelm. It seems like the muta play/response isn't touched on much, anyone have an appropriate response in handling/identifying mutas, 8 sentrys really digs into the gas count for stalkers.
"Battle Crusier Operational"
vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
June 27 2013 12:18 GMT
#212
Would be good if OP had more detail in the build for gold newbs like me to execute. Like the stargate one says make SG but skips saying 4 pheonix's to be built then make robo. T_T
Somethings are just worth fighting for
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 27 2013 12:57 GMT
#213
You shouldn't have to cut phoenix production to get your robo up. If you have to, you aren't hitting the timings mentioned in the OP and the problem is your macro and opening, not the build order.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
July 13 2013 01:38 GMT
#214
Do the phoenix have to do damage/ how much damage do they have to do in order to give oneself an advantage?

The this thing says that for a macro game, approximately 1k of resources is required damage to be dealt to stay in the game economically; I was wondering if that was the same for this?
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