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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 14 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Vayne. The second point is not alignment indicative, just ignore it. Why is the question scummy and not someone asking an experienced player what he thinks? there's a lot of experienced people in this game, why him specifically? bedtime for me | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
Waffle of Shadow 1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged. + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote: This guy is either town city or... nah fuck it he's telling the truth. On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP? You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. 2. No scumreads, just trolling, defending and talking about irrelevant stuff. (Source: His filter) What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit: On May 14 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: And BH you don't literally make it in every game. I wasn't going to go back into every single game of yours to look for that post; I looked into the games we have played in together and the only one you posted that in was The Game in which you were scum. You did not post it in LX, where you were DT. Lazy, fine. Grasping, maybe and I will admit it was a weak point. But you sure do seem to be the one getting all riled up about this, not me Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that. If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset: Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality? AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself. On May 14 2013 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Look at this posturing. People talking about how good BH is at the game: he is saying it is impossible I am town; what does it mean for the godly BH if he is wrong? On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it. On May 14 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH. All these points can be interpreted this way: WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches. It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart. BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this: On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote: As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever. I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies. AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post. Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts. Vote scum, vote this waffle | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
to not look like you're just skating by and to push mislynches. And the defensive post was in reply to Oats, not to BH Reread before post ftw | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. Yeah DP said he should be vigged rather than checked, not WoS. AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post. Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts. yeah he was responding to Prome's post, not mine in this post. As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever. I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. but yes explain your waffling and shit around BH WoS  | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
As for him responding to Prom, that also takes away the point arguing that it was an unusual response to your (Oats) vote. I'll recap what Prom said about him: 1) He said "I'm never scum lols" when kita called him scum for no reason. not said by Prom) Said hi at the beginning of the game and stopped posting until kita called him scum 2) WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like. 3) In reply to WoS saying he's on the same wavelength as BH: If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts. | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
@ Prom Why do you say that WoS had a reason to shoot DP? I would also like to point out OO's huge drop of activity. Maybe he's really the reason for DP's death. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Vivax
21697 Posts
I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people: I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town. But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10. Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that. A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Vivax
21697 Posts
On May 14 2013 18:22 prplhz wrote: Hey Vivax why am I scum? Good to see you're available for some conversation. I wrote the reasons already, just read my filter. I would also like if you gave a good summary of what's on your mind currently, read-wise. You mentioned Hiro, no reasoning. You said SlOosh sucks, no idea what you wanted. You abruptly stopped contributing after your early questions. You don't look like you want to win this game, but sure made it look like it very early in the game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 14 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote: Good to see you're available for some conversation. I wrote the reasons already, just read my filter. I would also like if you gave a good summary of what's on your mind currently, read-wise. You mentioned Hiro, no reasoning. You said SlOosh sucks, no idea what you wanted. You abruptly stopped contributing after your early questions. You don't look like you want to win this game, but sure made it look like it very early in the game. I read your filter. I don't have a lot of reads right now, mainly a few tentative town reads. I have a bad feeling about HiroPro, he doesn't seem to care much about this game after putting his vote down and some of his posting seems weirdly constructed. How do you feel about HiroPro? I said slOosh sucked because at the time and in the context of his performance as of then, he blew. I am sure you agree. Okay. I remember ObviousOne doing some ridiculously trolly post and then I thought "There's nothing in this thread right now that I want to participate in". Now why exactly am I scum? If you're town I don't want this to turn into a Vivax tunnel like you did marvellosity in Personality 2 because as Acrofales said after the game, scum couldn't wait for you to make another post. If you're scum then carry on. | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
On May 14 2013 18:37 prplhz wrote: I read your filter. I don't have a lot of reads right now, mainly a few tentative town reads. I have a bad feeling about HiroPro, he doesn't seem to care much about this game after putting his vote down and some of his posting seems weirdly constructed. How do you feel about HiroPro? I said slOosh sucked because at the time and in the context of his performance as of then, he blew. I am sure you agree. Okay. I remember ObviousOne doing some ridiculously trolly post and then I thought "There's nothing in this thread right now that I want to participate in". Now why exactly am I scum? If you're town I don't want this to turn into a Vivax tunnel like you did marvellosity in Personality 2 because as Acrofales said after the game, scum couldn't wait for you to make another post. If you're scum then carry on. Isn't having a bad feeling about Hiro, a scumread? Could you point out which posts you are alluding to? I have my eye on Hiro but nothing that really sticks out to me yet. So you were around at the time after you stopped posting? If I were tunneling you I wouldn't be asking you these questions. Just lay back and let's talk a little. | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
You seem to think there are reasons that I am scum Vivax, care to explain? | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:41 Vivax wrote: Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him. I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself. Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town. | ||
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Vivax
21697 Posts
Totally town my ass, my patience is limited. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On May 14 2013 19:32 Vivax wrote: Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town. uhuh. Prp, the last time you played scum was LIX right? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 14 2013 18:48 Vivax wrote: Isn't having a bad feeling about Hiro, a scumread? Could you point out which posts you are alluding to? I have my eye on Hiro but nothing that really sticks out to me yet. So you were around at the time after you stopped posting? If I were tunneling you I wouldn't be asking you these questions. Just lay back and let's talk a little. Like how he says that WaveofShadow is town because of how WaveofShadow asked chaoser about RebirthOfLeGenD. What the hell does that have to do with anything, that was completely alignment neutral and was probably just because WaveofShadow was curious. His vote on ObviousOne seems extremely confident (especially considering that it was not very long into the game) yet he does nothing to push the lynch after that. I remember that game where HiroPro was scum with Palmar and Ange777 and I figured him out because he wasn't all over the place and voting 10 different people, he was just tunneling me, don't know exactly what game that was but maybe HiroPro can remember it. He also wants to lynch shirokami who doesn't seem like scum to me. I left around 30 secs after I asked ObviousOne if he was serious. Now, for the third time, why exactly am I scum? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 14 2013 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote: uhuh. Prp, the last time you played scum was LIX right? Uh I don't remember but I am pretty sure I haven't been scum for like 5 games. I think Dwarf Fortress was my last scum game. | ||
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Promethelax
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