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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
May 13 2013 21:39 GMT
#581
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
May 13 2013 21:40 GMT
#582
On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 14 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 14 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 14 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote:
Telling your scumread to shut up and die isn't exactly the most productive way to head for a lynch BH.


okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME.

I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum.

It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right.

and I calls em like I sees em

/dunked

I am neither cornered nor defensive. You will not be lynching me today.
You're STILL ignoring what I've asked you to look at you; you only pick out the part of my post that is easy for you to dump on. How is this town behvaiour? If you expect me not to try and turn it around on you, STOP ACTING LIKE SCUM.

Rayn I think it's too early to lynch OO, he has decent potential and despite his trolly nature, he gets MUCH more useful later on in the game, much more so than prplhz. I'm a little surprised he hasn't done more yet but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I'm not sure BH IS a better lynch; I'm trying to understand why he's acting this way but he refuses to acknowledge my questions of him and the fact that he is basing his entire read of me on one post---that is what makes him look scummy to me. I am certainly most comfortable with my vote on Oats right now due to his blatant flip on me without explanation.


if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta?

Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it.


You ever wonder why waffling is considered scummy? Cause scum love to backtrack their statements when guys like me shoot spears of pure logic through their wispy posts
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 13 2013 21:40 GMT
#583
I'm reading BH as town presently. His bravado and air of confidence (whether feigned or not) reminds me more of LX when he was town than it does of his more recent "The Game" where he tried to emulate it as scum. It feels like real certainty that he's found scum, and I think it's genuine.

That being said, I think I disagree with his target as Wave is starting to look better. BH's last point about him taking a meta-read a step too far, THAT I feel like is reaching. Look at the context of the statement in question. He jokingly asked BH if he remembered a quote he made in a different game when he was scum. He didn't put it in his case as a specific reasoning for finding BH scummy, it felt like a footnote on his post.

@BH
I think maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with Wave here. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His most recent vote on prplhz based on him greeting Kita is pretty weaksauce and the rest of his filter is equally lackluster. I'ma vote him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
May 13 2013 21:41 GMT
#584
On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.


Do you want me to be blunt or subtle and smart
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 21:41 GMT
#585
On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.

Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 13 2013 21:42 GMT
#586
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
May 13 2013 21:42 GMT
#587
On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.


I'm about to step out, so let me make this clear for you Vivax

when WoS flips scum, people will start saying "oh, who was scum with him?" and they're going to see you, who had zero interest in lynching him, voting him with no explanation at all after it's clear he's going to be lynched.If you're town you better man the hell up and analyze and stuff cause if you saw a guy doing what you are doing now, after the red flip you'd want to lynch him. You know this. Don't be that guy. Of course if you are scum I'm okay with you being that guy. Just saying man
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 13 2013 21:44 GMT
#588
@rayn

WoS, because I agree with BH and I like his posts.

##vote WaveofShadow
No clue.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 13 2013 21:45 GMT
#589
On May 14 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 04:47 chaoser wrote:
On May 14 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
chaoser can you tell me what did DP do that counts as scumhunting before i told him to stop defending himself?


1) What chance did he have of scumhunting after his miller claim when pretty much everyone was on him?

2) Do you not consider his questioning of obviousone's posts and pressure on him scum hunting?

3) What was the purpose of your posts to DP? what was your goal with those two posts and then leaving? pressure?

1) That was the whole point. As he claimed miller he should have not defended himself and his claim after that. Of course people are going to jump on a scummy claim like that. The correct way to deal with everyone being on him would have been to say "you think this is scummy, i don't, deal with it. Now drop the issue and go find scum, if you think i'm scum, vote for me D1 and we work from there". That's why i told him to go do something useful.

2) No i didn't at that time. However as i said i now agree with Prome on OO and his contributions with DP (and the night kills).

3) Yes, pressure and creating topics to discuss (this includes me wanting people to discuss me). That's also why i said to DP "everyone besides you is probably town besides you". I'm kinda surprised noone else than shirokami brought that up. I also thought at that point everyone else did look town, as not many people had posted real content. If you look at my past games i always want to create discussion at the start of the game. You can also find out what i do think about miller claims in a setup where the number of millers is not known.




Shiro: I hope this answers your question aswell.

chaoser: Do you think OO is scummy? If no, why, and why do you think DP was killed?


Is that the correct way to deal with that situation or merely what YOU think is the correct way to deal with that situation. If you think its' the second, how does that make him scummy?

What topic did you create? you put no pressure on him by saying two lines and leaving. Being pressured usually means you're being put on your back foot and will probably be defensive as well as engage in conversation.

1) you didn't have any conversations with him
2) you wanted to put pressure on him but at the same time you thought his defending himself was scummy? how does that work?

I am also ok with lynching obviousone due to his deflections and non-contributions mixed in with his trolling.

I think he was killed cause he was clearly townie.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
May 13 2013 21:46 GMT
#590
On May 14 2013 06:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.


I'm about to step out, so let me make this clear for you Vivax

when WoS flips scum, people will start saying "oh, who was scum with him?" and they're going to see you, who had zero interest in lynching him, voting him with no explanation at all after it's clear he's going to be lynched.If you're town you better man the hell up and analyze and stuff cause if you saw a guy doing what you are doing now, after the red flip you'd want to lynch him. You know this. Don't be that guy. Of course if you are scum I'm okay with you being that guy. Just saying man


It's not clear he's to be lynched yet.

I'll bear with those trying to incriminate me, for the case that we get to flip him and you are right.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 21:46 GMT
#591
On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.

Fuck this I'm tunneling.
VE may be right and I guess it's completely possible BH is just blatantly wrong and being completely overconfident. I'm most confident about Oats and that's where I'm staying for now. BH maybe at some point you'll come to your senses and not just be a raging obnoxious detriment to the town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 22:09 GMT
#592
On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH let me get this straight;
You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP?


Almost!

I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis.

Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture.

When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has.

This is how you hunt scum.


it's not the actions that matter, it's the method behind the actions?

right bh?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 22:11 GMT
#593
why is no one saying anything about oatsmaster
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
May 13 2013 22:12 GMT
#594
It's the method, you mean. I speak for BH in his absence

Come vote WoS.

/dunked
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 22:13 GMT
#595
On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.

this may be the single worst post in the thread


On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also someone stole my fucking vote .

Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.


how did this go by without any comment

not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum?

Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic.

I really don't like the way this claim went down.

On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?

And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.


What do you guys think of this post as answer?

I have no clue what it means

You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right?
And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH.
So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that.

TLDR: Rayn scumslipped.


the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want.

On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow


i mean then there's this

On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.


and we return to the single worst post in the thread.



so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 22:13 GMT
#596
I'm not interested in lynching waveofshadow. partly for the reason that rainman mentioned earlier about n0, but his post about whether chaoser had played with RoL also seemed very genuine. to put it simply, complaining about the state of the thread is often seen as a sign of mafia. the fact that instead of immediately jumping to that conclusion, he tried to figure out whether chaoser was used to a different style of play (without directly asking that) suggests that he's actually trying to figure out things.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 22:16 GMT
#597
On May 14 2013 07:12 Vivax wrote:
It's the method, you mean. I speak for BH in his absence

Come vote WoS.

/dunked

if you tell read oatsmaster and tell me what you think of my attack, i promise i will read your filter and tell you what i think of your attack on wos
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 22:20 GMT
#598
On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys

[image loading]

pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 22:22 GMT
#599
shirokami seems like a good lynch also.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 22:25 GMT
#600
On May 14 2013 07:22 HiroPro wrote:
shirokami seems like a good lynch also.


I was getting the same vibe, he acted super troll in the newbie game I just played with him and now hes acting all calm and and attempting to be agreeable and useful but not really posting anything
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